(04-01-2018 05:43 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 11:07 PM)HuronRob Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 02:33 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  This is probably slightly off topic, but it's a complete sham that the NCAA makes these kids completely lose eligibility if they declare after a certain point. If a guy isn't drafted, he should be allowed to come back to school if he still has years left. I can't imagine any other line of work is like this.

The NCAA is a shame regardless. It makes aLOT of money off student athletes and, for the most part, dictates every aspect of their lives. Not a fan.


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Not sure I agree that the NCAA makes a lot of money off student athletes.

I believe it is a non-profit organization which regulates, etc. collegiate athletics (with its different divisions, I, II and III).

As such it disperses $ to member organizations, but as discussed in other threads, most NCAA D-I schools are NOT athletically self-supporting.

So MSU might be flush with cash but not its neighbor to the north, CMU.

Sure there is UofM, OSU, PSU, MSU, etc. but they are no more representative of 351 NCAA D-I MBB schools than a bunch of billionaires are representative of Americans.

Before Nassar MSU was breaking even or bit above after Nassar it will be negative

(04-01-2018 09:44 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 05:43 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 11:07 PM)HuronRob Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 02:33 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  This is probably slightly off topic, but it's a complete sham that the NCAA makes these kids completely lose eligibility if they declare after a certain point. If a guy isn't drafted, he should be allowed to come back to school if he still has years left. I can't imagine any other line of work is like this.

The NCAA is a shame regardless. It makes aLOT of money off student athletes and, for the most part, dictates every aspect of their lives. Not a fan.


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Not sure I agree that the NCAA makes a lot of money off student athletes.

I believe it is a non-profit organization which regulates, etc. collegiate athletics (with its different divisions, I, II and III).

As such it disperses $ to member organizations, but as discussed in other threads, most NCAA D-I schools are NOT athletically self-supporting.

So MSU might be flush with cash but not its neighbor to the north, CMU.

Sure there is UofM, OSU, PSU, MSU, etc. but they are no more representative of 351 NCAA D-I MBB schools than a bunch of billionaires are representative of Americans.

Before Nassar MSU was breaking even or bit above after Nassar it will be negative

I know I post this web page on here a lot but it has a lot of good information on it:
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

for the 2015-2016 season 12 schools MADE money on athletics.

(04-01-2018 05:08 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 09:44 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 05:43 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 11:07 PM)HuronRob Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 02:33 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  This is probably slightly off topic, but it's a complete sham that the NCAA makes these kids completely lose eligibility if they declare after a certain point. If a guy isn't drafted, he should be allowed to come back to school if he still has years left. I can't imagine any other line of work is like this.

The NCAA is a shame regardless. It makes aLOT of money off student athletes and, for the most part, dictates every aspect of their lives. Not a fan.


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Not sure I agree that the NCAA makes a lot of money off student athletes.

I believe it is a non-profit organization which regulates, etc. collegiate athletics (with its different divisions, I, II and III).

As such it disperses $ to member organizations, but as discussed in other threads, most NCAA D-I schools are NOT athletically self-supporting.

So MSU might be flush with cash but not its neighbor to the north, CMU.

Sure there is UofM, OSU, PSU, MSU, etc. but they are no more representative of 351 NCAA D-I MBB schools than a bunch of billionaires are representative of Americans.

Before Nassar MSU was breaking even or bit above after Nassar it will be negative

I know I post this web page on here a lot but it has a lot of good information on it:
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

for the 2015-2016 season 12 schools MADE money on athletics.

Good info, thanks for posting.

Steve I am with you on the financials. There is a whole lot of NCAA revenue but a larger amount of expenses when all but 12 schools are considered. Free tuition, room and board are extremely expensive in today's world, hardly a peanuts contribution to the athlete's future. Also the athlete is enabled to showcase his skills for the professional leagues and if not judged capable, he gets a chance to jump start his non-sports career with a recognizable name.

Sam, I agree the NCAA is very dysfunctional as witnessed by their uneven level of adjudicating penalties and such. I think, however, that the hiring of an agent is the correct litmus test for the athlete being judged as a professional. Agents historically front the athlete money in anticipation of the athlete being drafted and repaying that agent when they sign the major league contract. What would prevent a wealthy MSU booster from becoming Miles Bridges' agent and fronting him a million or so to stay in school?

A story. I watched the ESPN story about the Fab 5 from Michigan where Mitch Albom claimed the guys were all driving beat up cars and barely making ends meat. Early in their freshman year I was managing a tire store and got an emergency call from an AAA executive requesting that I immediately put four new tires on a brand new Toyota 4Runner that had been slashed. I wondered why this vehicle was so important so I looked into the vehicle registration and it listed Mayce C Webber, which is Chris' proper name and he indeed picked up the vehicle when completed. That brand new Toyota SUV was hardly a "beater". This was shortly after his arrival on campus, so Albom's attempt to blame the Ed Martin transgressions on the fact that U-M was making so much money on the Fab 5 at their expense is untrue.

(04-01-2018 06:19 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 05:08 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 09:44 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 05:43 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 11:07 PM)HuronRob Wrote:  The NCAA is a shame regardless. It makes aLOT of money off student athletes and, for the most part, dictates every aspect of their lives. Not a fan.


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Not sure I agree that the NCAA makes a lot of money off student athletes.

I believe it is a non-profit organization which regulates, etc. collegiate athletics (with its different divisions, I, II and III).

As such it disperses $ to member organizations, but as discussed in other threads, most NCAA D-I schools are NOT athletically self-supporting.

So MSU might be flush with cash but not its neighbor to the north, CMU.

Sure there is UofM, OSU, PSU, MSU, etc. but they are no more representative of 351 NCAA D-I MBB schools than a bunch of billionaires are representative of Americans.

Before Nassar MSU was breaking even or bit above after Nassar it will be negative

I know I post this web page on here a lot but it has a lot of good information on it:
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

for the 2015-2016 season 12 schools MADE money on athletics.

Good info, thanks for posting.

Steve I am with you on the financials. There is a whole lot of NCAA revenue but a larger amount of expenses when all but 12 schools are considered. Free tuition, room and board are extremely expensive in today's world, hardly a peanuts contribution to the athlete's future. Also the athlete is enabled to showcase his skills for the professional leagues and if not judged capable, he gets a chance to jump start his non-sports career with a recognizable name.

Sam, I agree the NCAA is very dysfunctional as witnessed by their uneven level of adjudicating penalties and such. I think, however, that the hiring of an agent is the correct litmus test for the athlete being judged as a professional. Agents historically front the athlete money in anticipation of the athlete being drafted and repaying that agent when they sign the major league contract. What would prevent a wealthy MSU booster from becoming Miles Bridges' agent and fronting him a million or so to stay in school?

A story. I watched the ESPN story about the Fab 5 from Michigan where Mitch Albom claimed the guys were all driving beat up cars and barely making ends meat. Early in their freshman year I was managing a tire store and got an emergency call from an AAA executive requesting that I immediately put four new tires on a brand new Toyota 4Runner that had been slashed. I wondered why this vehicle was so important so I looked into the vehicle registration and it listed Mayce C Webber, which is Chris' proper name and he indeed picked up the vehicle when completed. That brand new Toyota SUV was hardly a "beater". This was shortly after his arrival on campus, so Albom's attempt to blame the Ed Martin transgressions on the fact that U-M was making so much money on the Fab 5 at their expense is untrue.

It also illustrates how inept journalists are.

(04-01-2018 10:28 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 06:19 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 05:08 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 09:44 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 05:43 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Not sure I agree that the NCAA makes a lot of money off student athletes.

I believe it is a non-profit organization which regulates, etc. collegiate athletics (with its different divisions, I, II and III).

As such it disperses $ to member organizations, but as discussed in other threads, most NCAA D-I schools are NOT athletically self-supporting.

So MSU might be flush with cash but not its neighbor to the north, CMU.

Sure there is UofM, OSU, PSU, MSU, etc. but they are no more representative of 351 NCAA D-I MBB schools than a bunch of billionaires are representative of Americans.

Before Nassar MSU was breaking even or bit above after Nassar it will be negative

I know I post this web page on here a lot but it has a lot of good information on it:
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

for the 2015-2016 season 12 schools MADE money on athletics.

Good info, thanks for posting.

Steve I am with you on the financials. There is a whole lot of NCAA revenue but a larger amount of expenses when all but 12 schools are considered. Free tuition, room and board are extremely expensive in today's world, hardly a peanuts contribution to the athlete's future. Also the athlete is enabled to showcase his skills for the professional leagues and if not judged capable, he gets a chance to jump start his non-sports career with a recognizable name.

Sam, I agree the NCAA is very dysfunctional as witnessed by their uneven level of adjudicating penalties and such. I think, however, that the hiring of an agent is the correct litmus test for the athlete being judged as a professional. Agents historically front the athlete money in anticipation of the athlete being drafted and repaying that agent when they sign the major league contract. What would prevent a wealthy MSU booster from becoming Miles Bridges' agent and fronting him a million or so to stay in school?

A story. I watched the ESPN story about the Fab 5 from Michigan where Mitch Albom claimed the guys were all driving beat up cars and barely making ends meat. Early in their freshman year I was managing a tire store and got an emergency call from an AAA executive requesting that I immediately put four new tires on a brand new Toyota 4Runner that had been slashed. I wondered why this vehicle was so important so I looked into the vehicle registration and it listed Mayce C Webber, which is Chris' proper name and he indeed picked up the vehicle when completed. That brand new Toyota SUV was hardly a "beater". This was shortly after his arrival on campus, so Albom's attempt to blame the Ed Martin transgressions on the fact that U-M was making so much money on the Fab 5 at their expense is untrue.

It also illustrates how inept journalists are.

A non whining wrestling post on your way to recovery yet?

(04-02-2018 03:05 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 10:28 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 06:19 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 05:08 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 09:44 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Before Nassar MSU was breaking even or bit above after Nassar it will be negative

I know I post this web page on here a lot but it has a lot of good information on it:
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

for the 2015-2016 season 12 schools MADE money on athletics.

Good info, thanks for posting.

Steve I am with you on the financials. There is a whole lot of NCAA revenue but a larger amount of expenses when all but 12 schools are considered. Free tuition, room and board are extremely expensive in today's world, hardly a peanuts contribution to the athlete's future. Also the athlete is enabled to showcase his skills for the professional leagues and if not judged capable, he gets a chance to jump start his non-sports career with a recognizable name.

Sam, I agree the NCAA is very dysfunctional as witnessed by their uneven level of adjudicating penalties and such. I think, however, that the hiring of an agent is the correct litmus test for the athlete being judged as a professional. Agents historically front the athlete money in anticipation of the athlete being drafted and repaying that agent when they sign the major league contract. What would prevent a wealthy MSU booster from becoming Miles Bridges' agent and fronting him a million or so to stay in school?

A story. I watched the ESPN story about the Fab 5 from Michigan where Mitch Albom claimed the guys were all driving beat up cars and barely making ends meat. Early in their freshman year I was managing a tire store and got an emergency call from an AAA executive requesting that I immediately put four new tires on a brand new Toyota 4Runner that had been slashed. I wondered why this vehicle was so important so I looked into the vehicle registration and it listed Mayce C Webber, which is Chris' proper name and he indeed picked up the vehicle when completed. That brand new Toyota SUV was hardly a "beater". This was shortly after his arrival on campus, so Albom's attempt to blame the Ed Martin transgressions on the fact that U-M was making so much money on the Fab 5 at their expense is untrue.

It also illustrates how inept journalists are.

A non whining wrestling post on your way to recovery yet?

This event, dropping sports, is a fine illustration of the backstabbing and selfishness that has long poisoned EMU. People, even alumni, are in it for their own interests no matter who else gets hurt. The thought that we're in this together is never occurs.

(04-02-2018 08:33 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 03:05 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 10:28 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 06:19 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 05:08 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  I know I post this web page on here a lot but it has a lot of good information on it:
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

for the 2015-2016 season 12 schools MADE money on athletics.

Good info, thanks for posting.

Steve I am with you on the financials. There is a whole lot of NCAA revenue but a larger amount of expenses when all but 12 schools are considered. Free tuition, room and board are extremely expensive in today's world, hardly a peanuts contribution to the athlete's future. Also the athlete is enabled to showcase his skills for the professional leagues and if not judged capable, he gets a chance to jump start his non-sports career with a recognizable name.

Sam, I agree the NCAA is very dysfunctional as witnessed by their uneven level of adjudicating penalties and such. I think, however, that the hiring of an agent is the correct litmus test for the athlete being judged as a professional. Agents historically front the athlete money in anticipation of the athlete being drafted and repaying that agent when they sign the major league contract. What would prevent a wealthy MSU booster from becoming Miles Bridges' agent and fronting him a million or so to stay in school?

A story. I watched the ESPN story about the Fab 5 from Michigan where Mitch Albom claimed the guys were all driving beat up cars and barely making ends meat. Early in their freshman year I was managing a tire store and got an emergency call from an AAA executive requesting that I immediately put four new tires on a brand new Toyota 4Runner that had been slashed. I wondered why this vehicle was so important so I looked into the vehicle registration and it listed Mayce C Webber, which is Chris' proper name and he indeed picked up the vehicle when completed. That brand new Toyota SUV was hardly a "beater". This was shortly after his arrival on campus, so Albom's attempt to blame the Ed Martin transgressions on the fact that U-M was making so much money on the Fab 5 at their expense is untrue.

It also illustrates how inept journalists are.

A non whining wrestling post on your way to recovery yet?

This event, dropping sports, is a fine illustration of the backstabbing and selfishness that has long poisoned EMU. People, even alumni, are in it for their own interests no matter who else gets hurt. The thought that we're in this together is never occurs.

When will you stop? Direct your comments and opinions to the people that made decisions if you are this upset over it. You clearly see what the board thinks of it.


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(04-02-2018 09:09 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 08:33 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 03:05 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 10:28 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 06:19 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  Good info, thanks for posting.

Steve I am with you on the financials. There is a whole lot of NCAA revenue but a larger amount of expenses when all but 12 schools are considered. Free tuition, room and board are extremely expensive in today's world, hardly a peanuts contribution to the athlete's future. Also the athlete is enabled to showcase his skills for the professional leagues and if not judged capable, he gets a chance to jump start his non-sports career with a recognizable name.

Sam, I agree the NCAA is very dysfunctional as witnessed by their uneven level of adjudicating penalties and such. I think, however, that the hiring of an agent is the correct litmus test for the athlete being judged as a professional. Agents historically front the athlete money in anticipation of the athlete being drafted and repaying that agent when they sign the major league contract. What would prevent a wealthy MSU booster from becoming Miles Bridges' agent and fronting him a million or so to stay in school?

A story. I watched the ESPN story about the Fab 5 from Michigan where Mitch Albom claimed the guys were all driving beat up cars and barely making ends meat. Early in their freshman year I was managing a tire store and got an emergency call from an AAA executive requesting that I immediately put four new tires on a brand new Toyota 4Runner that had been slashed. I wondered why this vehicle was so important so I looked into the vehicle registration and it listed Mayce C Webber, which is Chris' proper name and he indeed picked up the vehicle when completed. That brand new Toyota SUV was hardly a "beater". This was shortly after his arrival on campus, so Albom's attempt to blame the Ed Martin transgressions on the fact that U-M was making so much money on the Fab 5 at their expense is untrue.

It also illustrates how inept journalists are.

A non whining wrestling post on your way to recovery yet?

This event, dropping sports, is a fine illustration of the backstabbing and selfishness that has long poisoned EMU. People, even alumni, are in it for their own interests no matter who else gets hurt. The thought that we're in this together is never occurs.

When will you stop? Direct your comments and opinions to the people that made decisions if you are this upset over it. You clearly see what the board thinks of it.


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You might open your eyes and see that I didn't raise the topic of dropping sports in this thread, emu79 did.

(04-02-2018 09:34 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 09:09 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 08:33 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 03:05 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 10:28 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  It also illustrates how inept journalists are.

A non whining wrestling post on your way to recovery yet?

This event, dropping sports, is a fine illustration of the backstabbing and selfishness that has long poisoned EMU. People, even alumni, are in it for their own interests no matter who else gets hurt. The thought that we're in this together is never occurs.

When will you stop? Direct your comments and opinions to the people that made decisions if you are this upset over it. You clearly see what the board thinks of it.


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You might open your eyes and see that I didn't raise the topic of dropping sports in this thread, emu79 did.

Doesn’t mean you have to keep beating a dead horse. We know where you stand.


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Dear Friends,
Another thread hijacked. I thought this was about a basketball player throwing his name out there to see what might happen.

(04-02-2018 09:34 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 09:09 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 08:33 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 03:05 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(04-01-2018 10:28 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  It also illustrates how inept journalists are.

A non whining wrestling post on your way to recovery yet?

This event, dropping sports, is a fine illustration of the backstabbing and selfishness that has long poisoned EMU. People, even alumni, are in it for their own interests no matter who else gets hurt. The thought that we're in this together is never occurs.

When will you stop? Direct your comments and opinions to the people that made decisions if you are this upset over it. You clearly see what the board thinks of it.


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You might open your eyes and see that I didn't raise the topic of dropping sports in this thread, emu79 did.

Really? I would be happy to move on the dropping of sports topic in ALL threads