We need a serious upgrade in talent to content for an NCAA bid next season. Fortunately, Penny understands that obtaining sufficient talent is his number one priority. Ideally, we can add significant quality and retain the best core of our existing roster.

(03-30-2018 08:36 AM)murphster Wrote:  because there were a few NIT comments in the thread...I always have a hard time with the NIT. I get it from the standpoint that it shows improvement (no problem with that). However, in the overall picture the NIT is meaningless to me such that I wouldn't watch. I realize many will feel differently (and that is fine) but the NIT offers zero excitement to me. So little in fact that I would hope the university would decline any invitation. I wish it wasn't so but it is that insignificant to me personally.

When you haven't sniffed the postseason in four years you don't turn down the NIT. No offense intended but that's silly.

(03-30-2018 08:36 AM)murphster Wrote:  because there were a few NIT comments in the thread...I always have a hard time with the NIT. I get it from the standpoint that it shows improvement (no problem with that). However, in the overall picture the NIT is meaningless to me such that I wouldn't watch. I realize many will feel differently (and that is fine) but the NIT offers zero excitement to me. So little in fact that I would hope the university would decline any invitation. I wish it wasn't so but it is that insignificant to me personally.

While very few programs would turn down an NIT invitation, I do agree with your general sentiments. From a fan's perspective, the NIT is a total snooze fest. You essentially have a bunch of teams competing to see who is the best second tier program.

Having said that, I'm sure the coaches and players from schools like Utah and Penn State enjoy the experience and are happy to extend their season.

(03-30-2018 10:16 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 08:36 AM)murphster Wrote:  because there were a few NIT comments in the thread...I always have a hard time with the NIT. I get it from the standpoint that it shows improvement (no problem with that). However, in the overall picture the NIT is meaningless to me such that I wouldn't watch. I realize many will feel differently (and that is fine) but the NIT offers zero excitement to me. So little in fact that I would hope the university would decline any invitation. I wish it wasn't so but it is that insignificant to me personally.

While very few programs would turn down an NIT invitation, I do agree with your general sentiments. From a fan's perspective, the NIT is a total snooze fest. You essentially have a bunch of teams competing to see who is the best second tier program.

Having said that, I'm sure the coaches and players from schools like Utah and Penn State enjoy the experience and are happy to extend their season.

Extra practice and game experience

Look what it did for Texas tech last year

(03-30-2018 10:19 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 10:16 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 08:36 AM)murphster Wrote:  because there were a few NIT comments in the thread...I always have a hard time with the NIT. I get it from the standpoint that it shows improvement (no problem with that). However, in the overall picture the NIT is meaningless to me such that I wouldn't watch. I realize many will feel differently (and that is fine) but the NIT offers zero excitement to me. So little in fact that I would hope the university would decline any invitation. I wish it wasn't so but it is that insignificant to me personally.

While very few programs would turn down an NIT invitation, I do agree with your general sentiments. From a fan's perspective, the NIT is a total snooze fest. You essentially have a bunch of teams competing to see who is the best second tier program.

Having said that, I'm sure the coaches and players from schools like Utah and Penn State enjoy the experience and are happy to extend their season.

Extra practice and game experience

Look what it did for Texas tech last year

Eh. I think Texas Tech would have done the same thing this year had they not played in the NIT.

(03-30-2018 10:19 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 10:16 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 08:36 AM)murphster Wrote:  because there were a few NIT comments in the thread...I always have a hard time with the NIT. I get it from the standpoint that it shows improvement (no problem with that). However, in the overall picture the NIT is meaningless to me such that I wouldn't watch. I realize many will feel differently (and that is fine) but the NIT offers zero excitement to me. So little in fact that I would hope the university would decline any invitation. I wish it wasn't so but it is that insignificant to me personally.

While very few programs would turn down an NIT invitation, I do agree with your general sentiments. From a fan's perspective, the NIT is a total snooze fest. You essentially have a bunch of teams competing to see who is the best second tier program.

Having said that, I'm sure the coaches and players from schools like Utah and Penn State enjoy the experience and are happy to extend their season.

Extra practice and game experience

Look what it did for Texas tech last year

That NIT game at the Forum vs the Johnnies was one of the best games evah!

(03-25-2018 11:16 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Obviously it’s exciting to see all the new talent Penny will bring in. But many of the guys on the current team will be major contributors next year.

We have nice talent on the roster with D1 experience who played pretty well by the end of the season.

Add some key pieces of raw talent and we are ready!

I agree. Jamal, Parks, and Thornton all got better as the season went on. If Tyler Harris signs, Jamal will probably leave, but Parks and Thornton will probably stay. Brewton and Davenport are probably still up in the air about staying, and who really cares if Azab and Rhodes leave. I expect over 75% of the remaining players will stay.

Word.

Our main problem was not being able to put the ball in the basket, we need shooters, this will help the big guys down low. Next, we need guys athletic enough to full court press and play defense (Memphis basketball). If this improves anything is possible.

(03-30-2018 03:21 PM)LoebStreetTiger Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 11:16 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Obviously it’s exciting to see all the new talent Penny will bring in. But many of the guys on the current team will be major contributors next year.

We have nice talent on the roster with D1 experience who played pretty well by the end of the season.

Add some key pieces of raw talent and we are ready!

I agree. Jamal, Parks, and Thornton all got better as the season went on. If Tyler Harris signs, Jamal will probably leave, but Parks and Thornton will probably stay. Brewton and Davenport are probably still up in the air about staying, and who really cares if Azab and Rhodes leave. I expect over 75% of the remaining players will stay.

I'm totally guessing here but it seems that from an APR standpoint, it would be better to graduate the seniors and let the underclassmen transfer than the other way around with an equal number on each side.

Correct?

(03-30-2018 03:09 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 10:19 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 10:16 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 08:36 AM)murphster Wrote:  because there were a few NIT comments in the thread...I always have a hard time with the NIT. I get it from the standpoint that it shows improvement (no problem with that). However, in the overall picture the NIT is meaningless to me such that I wouldn't watch. I realize many will feel differently (and that is fine) but the NIT offers zero excitement to me. So little in fact that I would hope the university would decline any invitation. I wish it wasn't so but it is that insignificant to me personally.

While very few programs would turn down an NIT invitation, I do agree with your general sentiments. From a fan's perspective, the NIT is a total snooze fest. You essentially have a bunch of teams competing to see who is the best second tier program.

Having said that, I'm sure the coaches and players from schools like Utah and Penn State enjoy the experience and are happy to extend their season.

Extra practice and game experience

Look what it did for Texas tech last year

That NIT game at the Forum vs the Johnnies was one of the best games evah!

Spoon hit that crazy game winner right in front of me. Good times.

(03-30-2018 08:49 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 03:09 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 10:19 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 10:16 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 08:36 AM)murphster Wrote:  because there were a few NIT comments in the thread...I always have a hard time with the NIT. I get it from the standpoint that it shows improvement (no problem with that). However, in the overall picture the NIT is meaningless to me such that I wouldn't watch. I realize many will feel differently (and that is fine) but the NIT offers zero excitement to me. So little in fact that I would hope the university would decline any invitation. I wish it wasn't so but it is that insignificant to me personally.

While very few programs would turn down an NIT invitation, I do agree with your general sentiments. From a fan's perspective, the NIT is a total snooze fest. You essentially have a bunch of teams competing to see who is the best second tier program.

Having said that, I'm sure the coaches and players from schools like Utah and Penn State enjoy the experience and are happy to extend their season.

Extra practice and game experience

Look what it did for Texas tech last year

That NIT game at the Forum vs the Johnnies was one of the best games evah!

Spoon hit that crazy game winner right in front of me. Good times.

I watched it while my family was on spring break. I think the entire hotel heard my yelling and cheering.

(03-30-2018 08:49 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 03:09 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 10:19 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 10:16 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 08:36 AM)murphster Wrote:  because there were a few NIT comments in the thread...I always have a hard time with the NIT. I get it from the standpoint that it shows improvement (no problem with that). However, in the overall picture the NIT is meaningless to me such that I wouldn't watch. I realize many will feel differently (and that is fine) but the NIT offers zero excitement to me. So little in fact that I would hope the university would decline any invitation. I wish it wasn't so but it is that insignificant to me personally.

While very few programs would turn down an NIT invitation, I do agree with your general sentiments. From a fan's perspective, the NIT is a total snooze fest. You essentially have a bunch of teams competing to see who is the best second tier program.

Having said that, I'm sure the coaches and players from schools like Utah and Penn State enjoy the experience and are happy to extend their season.

Extra practice and game experience

Look what it did for Texas tech last year

That NIT game at the Forum vs the Johnnies was one of the best games evah!

Spoon hit that crazy game winner right in front of me. Good times.

I was right behind the basket with the band on my right and watched the ball. I swear it rimmed to each side for an eternity. lol. Pretty sure we all vibed that thing through.

(03-30-2018 10:36 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 08:49 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 03:09 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 10:19 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 10:16 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  While very few programs would turn down an NIT invitation, I do agree with your general sentiments. From a fan's perspective, the NIT is a total snooze fest. You essentially have a bunch of teams competing to see who is the best second tier program.

Having said that, I'm sure the coaches and players from schools like Utah and Penn State enjoy the experience and are happy to extend their season.

Extra practice and game experience

Look what it did for Texas tech last year

That NIT game at the Forum vs the Johnnies was one of the best games evah!

Spoon hit that crazy game winner right in front of me. Good times.

I was right behind the basket with the band on my right and watched the ball. I swear it rimmed to each side for an eternity. lol. Pretty sure we all vibed that thing through.

Of course, Elliot was standing past the three line calling for the ball.

Josh misplayed Elliot and Sallie.

Sallie was better.

Elliot had the name and the thumbs up for years so he went pro.

Never did anything.

Stayed hurt, I am not sure if he is even playing anymore.

It's like that.

Didn't like Elliot Williams as a player.

Especially as a "go to" guy.

Appreciate him being a Tiger but have always felt the team would have been better without him.

Everything ran through him.

Dead end.

He was extremely injury prone too.

Extended to the pros.

I wouldn't have taken a chance with him if I am GM.

(03-30-2018 08:11 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 03:21 PM)LoebStreetTiger Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 11:16 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Obviously it’s exciting to see all the new talent Penny will bring in. But many of the guys on the current team will be major contributors next year.

We have nice talent on the roster with D1 experience who played pretty well by the end of the season.

Add some key pieces of raw talent and we are ready!

I agree. Jamal, Parks, and Thornton all got better as the season went on. If Tyler Harris signs, Jamal will probably leave, but Parks and Thornton will probably stay. Brewton and Davenport are probably still up in the air about staying, and who really cares if Azab and Rhodes leave. I expect over 75% of the remaining players will stay.

I'm totally guessing here but it seems that from an APR standpoint, it would be better to graduate the seniors and let the underclassmen transfer than the other way around with an equal number on each side.

Correct?

You don't get extra points if a player graduates.

Same points if a player transfers in good standing

(03-30-2018 07:51 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  Our main problem was not being able to put the ball in the basket, we need shooters, this will help the big guys down low. Next, we need guys athletic enough to full court press and play defense (Memphis basketball). If this improves anything is possible.

Our main issue was putting the ball in the hoop while keeping other teams from putting said ball in the hoop.

(03-30-2018 08:36 AM)murphster Wrote:  because there were a few NIT comments in the thread...I always have a hard time with the NIT. I get it from the standpoint that it shows improvement (no problem with that). However, in the overall picture the NIT is meaningless to me such that I wouldn't watch. I realize many will feel differently (and that is fine) but the NIT offers zero excitement to me. So little in fact that I would hope the university would decline any invitation. I wish it wasn't so but it is that insignificant to me personally.

As others have said, we need the NIT because it represents progress, turning a corner. Also, the extra practice.

I agree that normally, it's mostly nothing for fans. Until you win a couple of games. Then it gets fun and interesting.

(03-30-2018 08:52 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  We need a serious upgrade in talent to content for an NCAA bid next season. Fortunately, Penny understands that obtaining sufficient talent is his number one priority. Ideally, we can add significant quality and retain the best core of our existing roster.

Fortunately, Penny understands and has said that getting a solid staff is his number one priority. Recruiting will be next - and will be directly related to the staff. I expect a staff announcement on Tuesday.

(03-30-2018 08:36 AM)murphster Wrote:  because there were a few NIT comments in the thread...I always have a hard time with the NIT. I get it from the standpoint that it shows improvement (no problem with that). However, in the overall picture the NIT is meaningless to me such that I wouldn't watch. I realize many will feel differently (and that is fine) but the NIT offers zero excitement to me. So little in fact that I would hope the university would decline any invitation. I wish it wasn't so but it is that insignificant to me personally.

Well bless your heart, you don't like the NIT.

I assume you don't know that the NIT is owned by the NCAA.