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(03-27-2018 09:24 AM)bronco89 Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 08:49 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 08:25 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Still, CD is right that a Div II hoops champ has at least a puncher’s chance against a middling .500 MAC team, whereas the chance is far, far smaller that the Div II football champ would beat a middling .500 MAC team. Just the nature of the sport.

Some of you are delusional. We played Hope a few years ago and won by 19. It was a single digit game in the last ten minutes, and our starters stayed in till the last 3 minutes.

It was an exhibition between GVSU and MSU. Who cares. If the gap is soooo wide MSU should have smoked them with their walk ons and bench players.

I was at that game, we let up on the gas with bench players so many times during that game it was silly. The hard pick by the Hope kid in the beginning woke us up and pissed us off. We could have easily won by 35. You would have gotten a kick out of the Holland Sentinel the next day....made it sound like they won. Hope is most certainly Duke basketball of Ottawa county.

I understand where you are coming from. Hope is a solid DIII program. Nothing wrong with that. Just won the MIAA championship, too. Much to be proud of.

That said, it is not DI and there is a big difference.

Several years back, Hope had the MIAA "Player of the Year" in guard Peter Bunn. He transfered to Hope after a year at Oakland where he received little PT. It says something when a bench player from a DI, "mid-major" goes on to be a DIII league MVP. Bunn was a solid player and a great kid, but marginal DI talent.

Also, DIII limits the amount of practice time each week to something like 12 hours . DI is almost twice that. There are benefits to practice, despite what Alan Iverson says.

And kudos to the Holland Sentinel for caring about its local school and its athletic programs! Wish we had that in Kalamazoo.

(03-26-2018 07:29 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 05:29 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 09:53 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  After watching Ferris win the National Championship in DII yesterday I would bet they would have taken us to the woodshed this season too... and in no way are their facilities anywhere near on par with what we have at WMU... heck they even have football players on the BBall team!

All due respect due to Ferris St, not a chance. Remember the Northwood game?

GVSU went OT with MSU 3 years ago.

Northwood lost to us by 29, lost to Ferris by 28

BB isn’t FB

So we are comparing practice games where 15 players are in the rotation? Wayne St beat U of D last two seasons in practice games. Is Wayne St good enough for the dance? Did anyone notice Ferris forwards and guards had little jumping ability and were on average of about 6'2 actual height? Without Hankins they lose by double digits my guess. Even Hankins in the MAC would get shoved around many times the rate he did in D2. You guys have seen D2 schools at UA. The program has their centers at 6'8 and they walk on the court the same height as our 6'5-6'6 guys. Congrats to them on the championship but anyone thinking they could compete in Feb/March with B10 or even MAC schools is delusional. Izzo, Hawkins whomever approach those practice games as >> practice games. Second and third stringers running their systems over and over again. The D2/D3 teams approach those games as David and Goliath hoping to win. It rarely happens.

(03-27-2018 10:04 AM)BuickBronco Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 07:29 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 05:29 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 09:53 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  After watching Ferris win the National Championship in DII yesterday I would bet they would have taken us to the woodshed this season too... and in no way are their facilities anywhere near on par with what we have at WMU... heck they even have football players on the BBall team!

All due respect due to Ferris St, not a chance. Remember the Northwood game?

GVSU went OT with MSU 3 years ago.

Northwood lost to us by 29, lost to Ferris by 28

BB isn’t FB

So we are comparing practice games where 15 players are in the rotation? Wayne St beat U of D last two seasons in practice games. Is Wayne St good enough for the dance? Did anyone notice Ferris forwards and guards had little jumping ability and were on average of about 6'2 actual height? Without Hankins they lose by double digits my guess. Even Hankins in the MAC would get shoved around many times the rate he did in D2. You guys have seen D2 schools at UA. The program has their centers at 6'8 and they walk on the court the same height as our 6'5-6'6 guys. Congrats to them on the championship but anyone thinking they could compete in Feb/March with B10 or even MAC schools is delusional. Izzo, Hawkins whomever approach those practice games as >> practice games. Second and third stringers running their systems over and over again. The D2/D3 teams approach those games as David and Goliath hoping to win. It rarely happens.

Actually can’t remember the last time we’ve seen a quality DII team at UA. GVSU would seem an obvious choice. Instead we get NAIA’s like Madonna. Spring Arbor, Rochester College, and K College. Northwood was beaten by 28 by Ferris, we beat them by 29. I get a few cupcakes on the OOC, but can’t we do better than DIII’s and NAIA teams.

(03-27-2018 01:09 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 10:04 AM)BuickBronco Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 07:29 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 05:29 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 09:53 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  After watching Ferris win the National Championship in DII yesterday I would bet they would have taken us to the woodshed this season too... and in no way are their facilities anywhere near on par with what we have at WMU... heck they even have football players on the BBall team!

All due respect due to Ferris St, not a chance. Remember the Northwood game?

GVSU went OT with MSU 3 years ago.

Northwood lost to us by 29, lost to Ferris by 28

BB isn’t FB

So we are comparing practice games where 15 players are in the rotation? Wayne St beat U of D last two seasons in practice games. Is Wayne St good enough for the dance? Did anyone notice Ferris forwards and guards had little jumping ability and were on average of about 6'2 actual height? Without Hankins they lose by double digits my guess. Even Hankins in the MAC would get shoved around many times the rate he did in D2. You guys have seen D2 schools at UA. The program has their centers at 6'8 and they walk on the court the same height as our 6'5-6'6 guys. Congrats to them on the championship but anyone thinking they could compete in Feb/March with B10 or even MAC schools is delusional. Izzo, Hawkins whomever approach those practice games as >> practice games. Second and third stringers running their systems over and over again. The D2/D3 teams approach those games as David and Goliath hoping to win. It rarely happens.

Actually can’t remember the last time we’ve seen a quality DII team at UA. GVSU would seem an obvious choice. Instead we get NAIA’s like Madonna. Spring Arbor, Rochester College, and K College. Northwood was beaten by 28 by Ferris, we beat them by 29. I get a few cupcakes on the OOC, but can’t we do better than DIII’s and NAIA teams.

Easy way to settle this discussion is to put Ferris on the schedule next year, in place of an NAIA or DIII team. It's depressing to pay for season tickets, only to have what amount to nothing more than exhibition games against this level of competition, in the early games of the season. I understand an exhibition game against K College, but once the season starts, lets get serious.

(03-27-2018 05:38 PM)Potro Wrote:  Easy way to settle this discussion is to put Ferris on the schedule next year, in place of an NAIA or DIII team.

That would be GREAT!!!

Can't think of a downside.

Anyone?

Ferris played at MSU last fall. Ferris led at half time and game was tied with 6 min to go. MSU still had starters in at end of game MSU 80 - FSU 72

Discussion about Ferris really has nothing to do with Loyola

(03-27-2018 06:25 PM)ess Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 05:38 PM)Potro Wrote:  Easy way to settle this discussion is to put Ferris on the schedule next year, in place of an NAIA or DIII team.

That would be GREAT!!!

Can't think of a downside.

Anyone?

No thanks, nothing to gain from a game like this. Try to get decent mid-majors for every home slot please.

(03-28-2018 10:12 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 06:25 PM)ess Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 05:38 PM)Potro Wrote:  Easy way to settle this discussion is to put Ferris on the schedule next year, in place of an NAIA or DIII team.

That would be GREAT!!!

Can't think of a downside.

Anyone?

No thanks, nothing to gain from a game like this. Try to get decent mid-majors for every home slot please.

But Hawkins has always said, we play a harder OOC schedule to prepare us for the MAC. FSU seems like the perfect opponent

Heck, I’m not even sure they’d play us when there are P5s that want to play them.

(03-28-2018 10:12 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  No thanks, nothing to gain from a game like this. Try to get decent mid-majors for every home slot please.

Even better.

But...that's hard to arrange.

Everyone is scared to play us.

"Fight on"