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(03-21-2018 01:12 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  Without football, the AAC would not have even brought in WSU, let alone others. Football has been the driver of the conference. Cinci and UH won two games in the tourney, which was as good as prior AAC years besides the UConn NC. So as long as football does well, improving in MBB can wait with the present teams.

"Where's Bama's basketball natty? 1930, is where, hanging out with their most recent conference title in 1991."

Alabama is not a football blueblood. Kentucky is. UConn, Cinci, and Memphis has more of a history of winning MBB games that I remember. The AAC is not going to get any better by adding teams.
Yea, I'm not suggesting eliminating football from the conference.

Saying adding teams doesn't improve basketball is objectively wrong; they wouldn't have added WSU if that was the case. Adding a perennial national title contender wouldn't improve basketball? What kind of world do you live in?

This whole "basketball will improve just because it will" is utter garbage. Doing nothing gets you nowhere. And again, I don't care if you're not a basketball fan unconcerned with basketball success, I am. I don't know why you think basketball success can just wait and wait and wait. Basketball programs and their fans are concerned with getting better now, not sitting on their hands because football is OK. That isn't how this stuff works. Mick Cronin isn't going to say "oh I'm not going to hit the recruiting trail too hard this year, AAC football is doing great". Do you understand how that doesn't add up? This is the most elementary analysis of collegiate athletics I've been exposed to in a long time.
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Add Gonzaga, BYU, and Army and we would be future proof.


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(03-20-2018 10:25 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  P.S. We can't add Dayton because it's too close to Cincy. Dayton will never be in the AAC. But VCU and Gonzaga (basketball only) would be a no-brainer.


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Pssssst.....You can't do that.

Possible options:

VCU (they are actually a no brainier) they match with ECU, are in the middle of our footprint solid Olympic sports. They are located in a nice one million person metro and have a 30,000 enrollment. They fit in excellently with the public schools.

Dayton. Location is a bit of an issue with it blending to Cincy, but it's also a benefit since it matches well to an outlier geographically. Strong basketball support and history, decent Olympics. It is a religous and a real risk to go big east if they want to expand. Would fit well with the private schools.

St. Louis. Location is good, expands the footprint to Missouri but fits in nicely. Major metro area, solid but not spectacular history, decent size, but again private and religious a good target for the big east as well.

I don't really see any other choices that are low risk high return and solve an issue we have as a conference. Perhaps UMass but I think these other three schools offer more and fit the mold of the Wichita model better.
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(03-21-2018 03:19 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 10:25 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  P.S. We can't add Dayton because it's too close to Cincy. Dayton will never be in the AAC. But VCU and Gonzaga (basketball only) would be a no-brainer.


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Pssssst.....You can't do that.

Possible options:

VCU (they are actually a no brainier) they match with ECU, are in the middle of our footprint solid Olympic sports. They are located in a nice one million person metro and have a 30,000 enrollment. They fit in excellently with the public schools.

Dayton. Location is a bit of an issue with it blending to Cincy, but it's also a benefit since it matches well to an outlier geographically. Strong basketball support and history, decent Olympics. It is a religous and a real risk to go big east if they want to expand. Would fit well with the private schools.

St. Louis. Location is good, expands the footprint to Missouri but fits in nicely. Major metro area, solid but not spectacular history, decent size, but again private and religious a good target for the big east as well.

I don't really see any other choices that are low risk high return and solve an issue we have as a conference. Perhaps UMass but I think these other three schools offer more and fit the mold of the Wichita model better.

I think Dayton to the Big East is as much a no brainer for them as VCU is for us, unless you believe them that they like the 10 team model permanently. Have to imagine that's either the case for now, or Xavier is or would similarly block them. My biggest concern is that the Big East makes a move out of the blue to add two teams and scoops up both VCU and Dayton. Obviously VCU doesn't fit the culture, but, I'm sure like the AAC did, the Big East wouldn't mind making an exception for them. If that happens, we've really got nowhere to go.

I've always been interested in UMass and Old Dominion if the conference wanted to add to the football side as well. Obviously the athletics wouldn't be a homerun off the bat, but I think both schools have high ceilings, and you can't argue against their markets. 14 football/16 basketball might be pushing it, at least in the immediate future, but I'd like to see all 4 schools added. I've seen crazier suggestions for the conference.
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(03-21-2018 05:43 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  
(03-21-2018 03:19 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 10:25 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  P.S. We can't add Dayton because it's too close to Cincy. Dayton will never be in the AAC. But VCU and Gonzaga (basketball only) would be a no-brainer.


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Pssssst.....You can't do that.

Possible options:

VCU (they are actually a no brainier) they match with ECU, are in the middle of our footprint solid Olympic sports. They are located in a nice one million person metro and have a 30,000 enrollment. They fit in excellently with the public schools.

Dayton. Location is a bit of an issue with it blending to Cincy, but it's also a benefit since it matches well to an outlier geographically. Strong basketball support and history, decent Olympics. It is a religous and a real risk to go big east if they want to expand. Would fit well with the private schools.

St. Louis. Location is good, expands the footprint to Missouri but fits in nicely. Major metro area, solid but not spectacular history, decent size, but again private and religious a good target for the big east as well.

I don't really see any other choices that are low risk high return and solve an issue we have as a conference. Perhaps UMass but I think these other three schools offer more and fit the mold of the Wichita model better.

I think Dayton to the Big East is as much a no brainer for them as VCU is for us, unless you believe them that they like the 10 team model permanently. Have to imagine that's either the case for now, or Xavier is or would similarly block them. My biggest concern is that the Big East makes a move out of the blue to add two teams and scoops up both VCU and Dayton. Obviously VCU doesn't fit the culture, but, I'm sure like the AAC did, the Big East wouldn't mind making an exception for them. If that happens, we've really got nowhere to go.

I've always been interested in UMass and Old Dominion if the conference wanted to add to the football side as well. Obviously the athletics wouldn't be a homerun off the bat, but I think both schools have high ceilings, and you can't argue against their markets. 14 football/16 basketball might be pushing it, at least in the immediate future, but I'd like to see all 4 schools added. I've seen crazier suggestions for the conference.

lol....The basketball size doesnt bother me at all. When we joined, we thought we were joining a conference with something like 18 teams on the basketball side. Being at 16 on basketball is no big deal. I like the idea of adding VCU. UMass as a basketball add has potential---but I'd like see UMass refrain from sucking for a season or two before we do that.
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I am sure Gonzaga wants to fly east for games several times a year. They will go to,MWC. AAC can have BYU, it would serve you right.


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Ahhh...the "western wing" talk is back!
I want Hawaii, for the 13th game thing. If we're going West, lets really go west!!!
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(03-21-2018 09:12 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  I am sure Gonzaga wants to fly east for games several times a year. They will go to,MWC. AAC can have BYU, it would serve you right.


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Gonzaga wants 2 games per year with ECU. No question. I see Aresco getting 6 MWC teams plus a couple from the WCC this time.
No question.
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(03-19-2018 07:07 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Add in the talk of Gonzaga wanting a new home


https://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656...ve-on.html

I was all pumped. Then I actually read the article. It's from the BYU owned newspaper. And it had a list of corrections that are so hilarious I won't even bother telling you guys. Ok, the Orginal article doubled the size of the high school gyms that that WCC schools play in. Not 1 mistake, not 2 but they got the capacity wrong on 8 of the 10 schools that play in the league bawhahahaha
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The Grape King has his/her wires crossed about the AAC. I'm not sure where he/she has come from in Temple, but the blatantly anti-football stance feels like posts with an agenda from a brand new user/second acct/fake account.

This user either purposely ignores or is completely oblivious to the understanding that the American is the leftover FOOTBALL schools and the football/all-sport programs brought in to back-fill old Big East defections.

Despite an obsession in his/her posts to back-burner football, this is NOT a basketball leaning conference, even though it is one of the top 7 basketball conferences. Football and overall conference strength is part of EVERY move the conference makes - they do not make moves to improve basketball alone. Witichita improved basketball, but it also eased western travel and bolstered olympic sport numbers.
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In the grand scheme of college athletics, basketball is just barely a notch above meaningless.
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(03-21-2018 10:27 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  The Grape King has his/her wires crossed about the AAC. I'm not sure where he/she has come from in Temple, but the blatantly anti-football stance feels like posts with an agenda from a brand new user/second acct/fake account.

This user either purposely ignores or is completely oblivious to the understanding that the American is the leftover FOOTBALL schools and the football/all-sport programs brought in to back-fill old Big East defections.

Despite an obsession in his/her posts to back-burner football, this is NOT a basketball leaning conference, even though it is one of the top 7 basketball conferences. Football and overall conference strength is part of EVERY move the conference makes - they do not make moves to improve basketball alone. Witichita improved basketball, but it also eased western travel and bolstered olympic sport numbers.

The idea that adding basketball only schools somehow puts football on the "back burner" is ridiculous. It's not as if the conference has a slider and has to allocate its resources to one or the other. This isn't a zero sum game. Please explain to me how adding basketball schools, which would at maximum bring the total to 3 in a 14 team conference, take anything away from AAC football. I'd love to hear this theory, because right now, I can't come up with anything that would even remotely suggest that.
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(03-21-2018 10:27 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  The Grape King has his/her wires crossed about the AAC. I'm not sure where he/she has come from in Temple, but the blatantly anti-football stance feels like posts with an agenda from a brand new user/second acct/fake account.

This user either purposely ignores or is completely oblivious to the understanding that the American is the leftover FOOTBALL schools and the football/all-sport programs brought in to back-fill old Big East defections.

Despite an obsession in his/her posts to back-burner football, this is NOT a basketball leaning conference, even though it is one of the top 7 basketball conferences. Football and overall conference strength is part of EVERY move the conference makes - they do not make moves to improve basketball alone. Witichita improved basketball, but it also eased western travel and bolstered olympic sport numbers.

Neither of which has a thing to do with football. It was as big a strictly basketball driven realignment move as a conference can make.

This is what people who whine about the hybrid concept don't understand. There are very very few viable additions on the board that improve BOTH BASKETBALL and FOOTBALL. The hybrid allows you to shore up and improve basketball without having to add dead weight to the football side. For a G5--its a very realignment valuable tool. It CAN be overused. But when used correctly--it can be a very effective way of improving the AAC's standing in both major revenue sports. Both Navy and Wichita are excellent contributors to the conference.
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(03-19-2018 07:27 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Between BYU fans and Wichita fans it would be an epic race to the bottom.

Let me know when Memphis accomplishes anything in this league.

Well... we HAVE won a conference championship. What have YOU done..
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Undefeated in volleyball. So there.
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(03-21-2018 10:29 PM)shere khan Wrote:  In the grand scheme of college athletics, basketball is just barely a notch above meaningless.

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(03-22-2018 07:21 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(03-19-2018 09:11 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  
(03-19-2018 07:27 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Between BYU fans and Wichita fans it would be an epic race to the bottom.

Let me know when Memphis accomplishes anything in this league.

Well... we HAVE won a conference championship. What have YOU done..

Obviously you don't understand the Flagship's greatness. The Flagship managed a 3rd place finish in men's hoops, made it to the semis in the conference tournament, and managed to hold their own in a very hard fought first round NCAA tourney loss.

You are fighting a losing battle trying to contest that type of Flagship greatness!

Go Cats!
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(03-22-2018 12:09 PM)AABearcat Wrote:  
(03-22-2018 07:21 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(03-19-2018 09:11 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  
(03-19-2018 07:27 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Between BYU fans and Wichita fans it would be an epic race to the bottom.

Let me know when Memphis accomplishes anything in this league.

Well... we HAVE won a conference championship. What have YOU done..

Obviously you don't understand the Flagship's greatness. The Flagship managed a 3rd place finish in men's hoops, made it to the semis in the conference tournament, and managed to hold their own in a very hard fought first round NCAA tourney loss.

You are fighting a losing battle trying to contest that type of Flagship greatness!

Go Cats!

Revisionist history i see ...
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(03-22-2018 12:18 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(03-22-2018 12:09 PM)AABearcat Wrote:  
(03-22-2018 07:21 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(03-19-2018 09:11 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  
(03-19-2018 07:27 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Between BYU fans and Wichita fans it would be an epic race to the bottom.

Let me know when Memphis accomplishes anything in this league.

Well... we HAVE won a conference championship. What have YOU done..

Obviously you don't understand the Flagship's greatness. The Flagship managed a 3rd place finish in men's hoops, made it to the semis in the conference tournament, and managed to hold their own in a very hard fought first round NCAA tourney loss.

You are fighting a losing battle trying to contest that type of Flagship greatness!

Go Cats!

Revisionist history i see ...

My mistake. Easy to forget who finishes second. I apologize.
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