With all fairness 200, we simply don't know that yet. We need to wait until he's done and the full breadth of what he found (or didn't find) is made known. He's not going to put out some half done theory on something to just to appease one side.

(03-19-2018 02:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  With all fairness 200, we simply don't know that yet. We need to wait until he's done and the full breadth of what he found (or didn't find) is made known. He's not going to put out some half done theory on something to just to appease one side.

Why not, his team has gone-off half-baked before.

Quote:The investigators hypothesized that the attacker was a lonely American who had wanted to kill people with anthrax for some undefined time period, but then became “mission oriented” following 9/11 and immediately prepared and mailed the deadly spores while pretending to be a Muslim.

Mueller’s FBI honed in on Steven Hatfill as the culprit — a “flag-waving” American, who had served in the Army, then dedicated himself to protecting America from bioterrorist threats by working in the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases.

There was no direct link from Hatfill to the attacks, by the FBI’s own admission, and the bureau never charged Hatfill. The FBI did however spy on, follow, and harass him non-stop for years. The Department of Justice also publicly outed Hatfill as the possible terrorist.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/08/robe...x-attacks/

(03-19-2018 01:56 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 01:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL
TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE
2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-releas...1/download

lets see how "related maters" is defined.

Quote:§ 600.4 Jurisdiction.
(a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.

so...

any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump;

Question is what links and coordination have been proven?

now...

investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.


We appear to have Flynn (process crime) and George Papa (perjury). Other than that it's become a witch hunt. I see no reason for the investigation to continue into peripheral business transactions between Trump businesses and Russia that happened years or decades ago unless the Dems are saying that Trump laid his groundwork for a run at the presidency decades ago with dirty dealing with Russia.

Mueller's time should be up. All this is now is a concerted effort to undermine the president and make it hard for him to do his job.

And have the taxpayers fund DNC talking points.

(03-19-2018 02:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  With all fairness 200, we simply don't know that yet. We need to wait until he's done and the full breadth of what he found (or didn't find) is made known. He's not going to put out some half done theory on something to just to appease one side.

At this point Mueller has far exceeded the original jurisdiction of the investigation and even gone beyond process crimes associated with the jurisdiction. His investigation has to have a limit.

(03-19-2018 02:08 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 02:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  With all fairness 200, we simply don't know that yet. We need to wait until he's done and the full breadth of what he found (or didn't find) is made known. He's not going to put out some half done theory on something to just to appease one side.

Why not, his team has gone-off half-baked before.

Quote:The investigators hypothesized that the attacker was a lonely American who had wanted to kill people with anthrax for some undefined time period, but then became “mission oriented” following 9/11 and immediately prepared and mailed the deadly spores while pretending to be a Muslim.

Mueller’s FBI honed in on Steven Hatfill as the culprit — a “flag-waving” American, who had served in the Army, then dedicated himself to protecting America from bioterrorist threats by working in the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases.

There was no direct link from Hatfill to the attacks, by the FBI’s own admission, and the bureau never charged Hatfill. The FBI did however spy on, follow, and harass him non-stop for years. The Department of Justice also publicly outed Hatfill as the possible terrorist.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/08/robe...x-attacks/

His team?

Again, the work of the right to delegitimize Mueller and this investigation before it is even complete is downright shameful.

(03-19-2018 02:23 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 02:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  With all fairness 200, we simply don't know that yet. We need to wait until he's done and the full breadth of what he found (or didn't find) is made known. He's not going to put out some half done theory on something to just to appease one side.

At this point Mueller has far exceeded the original jurisdiction of the investigation and even gone beyond process crimes associated with the jurisdiction. His investigation has to have a limit.

Again, you do not know this until he is done. If it turns out he went off the rails, I'll be right there to agree with you. In the meantime, I'll wait til he's done.

(03-19-2018 02:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 02:08 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 02:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  With all fairness 200, we simply don't know that yet. We need to wait until he's done and the full breadth of what he found (or didn't find) is made known. He's not going to put out some half done theory on something to just to appease one side.

Why not, his team has gone-off half-baked before.

Quote:The investigators hypothesized that the attacker was a lonely American who had wanted to kill people with anthrax for some undefined time period, but then became “mission oriented” following 9/11 and immediately prepared and mailed the deadly spores while pretending to be a Muslim.

Mueller’s FBI honed in on Steven Hatfill as the culprit — a “flag-waving” American, who had served in the Army, then dedicated himself to protecting America from bioterrorist threats by working in the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases.

There was no direct link from Hatfill to the attacks, by the FBI’s own admission, and the bureau never charged Hatfill. The FBI did however spy on, follow, and harass him non-stop for years. The Department of Justice also publicly outed Hatfill as the possible terrorist.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/08/robe...x-attacks/

His team?

Again, the work of the right to delegitimize Mueller and this investigation before it is even complete is downright shameful.

Quote:Under Mueller’s management, the FBI launched an investigation lasting ten years.

Yeah, his team. If facts delegitimize someone, then so be it.

(03-19-2018 02:39 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 02:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 02:08 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 02:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  With all fairness 200, we simply don't know that yet. We need to wait until he's done and the full breadth of what he found (or didn't find) is made known. He's not going to put out some half done theory on something to just to appease one side.

Why not, his team has gone-off half-baked before.

Quote:The investigators hypothesized that the attacker was a lonely American who had wanted to kill people with anthrax for some undefined time period, but then became “mission oriented” following 9/11 and immediately prepared and mailed the deadly spores while pretending to be a Muslim.

Mueller’s FBI honed in on Steven Hatfill as the culprit — a “flag-waving” American, who had served in the Army, then dedicated himself to protecting America from bioterrorist threats by working in the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases.

There was no direct link from Hatfill to the attacks, by the FBI’s own admission, and the bureau never charged Hatfill. The FBI did however spy on, follow, and harass him non-stop for years. The Department of Justice also publicly outed Hatfill as the possible terrorist.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/08/robe...x-attacks/

His team?

Again, the work of the right to delegitimize Mueller and this investigation before it is even complete is downright shameful.

Quote:Under Mueller’s management, the FBI launched an investigation lasting ten years.

Yeah, his team. If facts delegitimize someone, then so be it.

That case does not delegitimize this investigation. Period.

(03-19-2018 02:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 02:08 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 02:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  With all fairness 200, we simply don't know that yet. We need to wait until he's done and the full breadth of what he found (or didn't find) is made known. He's not going to put out some half done theory on something to just to appease one side.

Why not, his team has gone-off half-baked before.

Quote:The investigators hypothesized that the attacker was a lonely American who had wanted to kill people with anthrax for some undefined time period, but then became “mission oriented” following 9/11 and immediately prepared and mailed the deadly spores while pretending to be a Muslim.

Mueller’s FBI honed in on Steven Hatfill as the culprit — a “flag-waving” American, who had served in the Army, then dedicated himself to protecting America from bioterrorist threats by working in the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases.

There was no direct link from Hatfill to the attacks, by the FBI’s own admission, and the bureau never charged Hatfill. The FBI did however spy on, follow, and harass him non-stop for years. The Department of Justice also publicly outed Hatfill as the possible terrorist.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/08/robe...x-attacks/

His team?

Again, the work of the right to delegitimize Mueller and this investigation before it is even complete is downright shameful.

How many on Muellers team are being implicated by the IG?

T*E*A*M T*A*I*N*T

(03-19-2018 02:45 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 02:39 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 02:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 02:08 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 02:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  With all fairness 200, we simply don't know that yet. We need to wait until he's done and the full breadth of what he found (or didn't find) is made known. He's not going to put out some half done theory on something to just to appease one side.

Why not, his team has gone-off half-baked before.

Quote:The investigators hypothesized that the attacker was a lonely American who had wanted to kill people with anthrax for some undefined time period, but then became “mission oriented” following 9/11 and immediately prepared and mailed the deadly spores while pretending to be a Muslim.

Mueller’s FBI honed in on Steven Hatfill as the culprit — a “flag-waving” American, who had served in the Army, then dedicated himself to protecting America from bioterrorist threats by working in the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases.

There was no direct link from Hatfill to the attacks, by the FBI’s own admission, and the bureau never charged Hatfill. The FBI did however spy on, follow, and harass him non-stop for years. The Department of Justice also publicly outed Hatfill as the possible terrorist.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/08/robe...x-attacks/

His team?

Again, the work of the right to delegitimize Mueller and this investigation before it is even complete is downright shameful.

Quote:Under Mueller’s management, the FBI launched an investigation lasting ten years.

Yeah, his team. If facts delegitimize someone, then so be it.

That case does not delegitimize this investigation. Period.

I didn't say it did. My point was that he's been known to conduct investigations that last for many years, cost millions of dollars, and not only don't nail the right person, they nail the wrong person.

(03-19-2018 11:49 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 11:48 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 11:44 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 11:43 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 11:42 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Stay tuned.

You don't even know anymore.
bahahahaha

Laugh all you want, but I'm not a lawyer, nor do I know what Mueller has or will find.

But you just know that there's something truly awful there to be found, and all we have to do is give Mueller enough time and he will find it.

Don't you?

Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.

Unfortunately, this is all too true.

It’s not just all about sin, we’re all lawbreakers too.

(03-19-2018 06:38 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 11:49 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 11:48 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 11:44 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 11:43 AM)Kronke Wrote:  You don't even know anymore.
bahahahaha

Laugh all you want, but I'm not a lawyer, nor do I know what Mueller has or will find.

But you just know that there's something truly awful there to be found, and all we have to do is give Mueller enough time and he will find it.

Don't you?

Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.

Unfortunately, this is all too true.

It’s not just all about sin, we’re all lawbreakers too.

Get into the world of multi-million dollar business deals, whatever type, spread all over the world, orchestrated by teams of lawyers, some you know, some you don't but pay for nonetheless, and tell me a special prosecutor with enough time and money can't find something in there to put your ass in a sling.

Greed and corruption. We all complain about it, except when someone does something about it and our boy is the target.

If Mueller can't nail Trump, I pray he'll get Kushner.

(03-19-2018 06:52 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Greed and corruption. We all complain about it, except when someone does something about it and our boy is the target.

If Mueller can't nail Trump, I pray he'll get Kushner.

I hope Killery, Comey, Stzrok, Wassername?, Podesta, McCabe, etc. get nailed.

We can wish too.

(03-19-2018 06:52 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Greed and corruption. We all complain about it, except when someone does something about it and our boy is the target.

If Mueller can't nail Trump, I pray he'll get Kushner.

Oh yeah, dig until you uncover something, anything, on the newly-elected President, but interview Cankles with her attorney present, don't put her under oath, don't record the session or take notes during the conversation, and then later inform all of us dumb phucks that she's innocent of any wrongdoing. Trust 'em, right?

I see nothing wrong with that scenario.

Who said she was innocent of all wrong doing? If you're refering to Comey, he never said that. He said he couldn't prove a case in court. Two different things.

(03-20-2018 05:43 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Who said she was innocent of all wrong doing? If you're refering to Comey, he never said that. He said he couldn't prove a case in court. Two different things.

Largely in part to the way the interview was conducted (as well as the entire investigation). Don't put Hillary under oath and record the interview, and the possibility of a process crime goes right out the window. Sad thing is they aren't even trying to be sly about it. Fix was in from the start, HRC was never to be charged or prosecuted, interview wrapped up as a formality without documentation; meanwhile we are approaching 2 years of investigation into Trump without any evidence but still digging.

(03-20-2018 07:31 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 05:43 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Who said she was innocent of all wrong doing? If you're refering to Comey, he never said that. He said he couldn't prove a case in court. Two different things.

Largely in part to the way the interview was conducted (as well as the entire investigation). Don't put Hillary under oath and record the interview, and the possibility of a process crime goes right out the window. Sad thing is they aren't even trying to be sly about it. Fix was in from the start, HRC was never to be charged or prosecuted, interview wrapped up as a formality without documentation; meanwhile we are approaching 2 years of investigation into Trump without any evidence but still digging.

Kind of like Dan Rather with the GWB National Guard letter. He just knew there had to be a letter like that out there somewhere, so as long as he knew that, what difference did it make that the actual letter he had was a forgery?

(03-20-2018 10:25 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 07:31 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 05:43 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Who said she was innocent of all wrong doing? If you're refering to Comey, he never said that. He said he couldn't prove a case in court. Two different things.

Largely in part to the way the interview was conducted (as well as the entire investigation). Don't put Hillary under oath and record the interview, and the possibility of a process crime goes right out the window. Sad thing is they aren't even trying to be sly about it. Fix was in from the start, HRC was never to be charged or prosecuted, interview wrapped up as a formality without documentation; meanwhile we are approaching 2 years of investigation into Trump without any evidence but still digging.

Kind of like Dan Rather with the GWB National Guard letter. He just knew there had to be a letter like that out there somewhere, so as long as he knew that, what difference did it make that the actual letter he had was a forgery?

I watched that movie just the other night. Robert Redford as Dan Rather. Fond memories of that epic implosion.

(03-20-2018 07:31 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 05:43 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Who said she was innocent of all wrong doing? If you're refering to Comey, he never said that. He said he couldn't prove a case in court. Two different things.

Largely in part to the way the interview was conducted (as well as the entire investigation). Don't put Hillary under oath and record the interview, and the possibility of a process crime goes right out the window. Sad thing is they aren't even trying to be sly about it. Fix was in from the start, HRC was never to be charged or prosecuted, interview wrapped up as a formality without documentation; meanwhile we are approaching 2 years of investigation into Trump without any evidence but still digging.

Indeed. Contrast that to Flynn. Interview him without telling him they're there doing an investigation, later the agents express concern that he may have not lied at all, then hound him and his son until they force him to the point of bankruptcy to plead guilty to lying to them.

The whole friggin' thing stinks like a rotten rat and brought to us by our premier investigative agency.