Fun team to watch

By far the best MAC basketball team since the round of eight Kent St team more than a decade ago

GO BULLS !!!!

By far? That 2011-2012 Ohio team was pretty damn good too.

This win is a reflection of the Top 10 finish in the RPI by the conference this year.

Better conferences produce better champions IMO.

Buffalo defeated the AP #12 ranked team tonight.

(03-15-2018 11:43 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Buffalo defeated the AP #12 ranked team tonight.

This was also a Top 3 with NBA talent.

Buffalo also have a deep bench and size in the front court to bang with anyone.

(03-15-2018 10:32 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  Fun team to watch

By far the best MAC basketball team since the round of eight Kent St team more than a decade ago

GO BULLS !!!!

??? Very good team, but they lost to the last place team as well. There have been some pretty good teams in that stretch. Couldn’t be more thrilled for them, though!

(03-16-2018 06:28 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:32 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  Fun team to watch

By far the best MAC basketball team since the round of eight Kent St team more than a decade ago

GO BULLS !!!!

??? Very good team, but they lost to the last place team as well. There have been some pretty good teams in that stretch. Couldn’t be more thrilled for them, though!

the Elite 8 KSU team also lost to the last place team that year (Buffalo). Not saying they're the best team since that KSU squad for certain but that may not be the metric to use to prove it wrong.

(03-16-2018 06:30 AM)GoBullsGo Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 06:28 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:32 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  Fun team to watch

By far the best MAC basketball team since the round of eight Kent St team more than a decade ago

GO BULLS !!!!

??? Very good team, but they lost to the last place team as well. There have been some pretty good teams in that stretch. Couldn’t be more thrilled for them, though!

the Elite 8 KSU team also lost to the last place team that year (Buffalo). Not saying they're the best team since that KSU squad for certain but that may not be the metric to use to prove it wrong.

I agree with that. That KSU team also lost to a horrible Youngstown team that, IIRC, only won 4 games all year.

The metric to compare any team to that team is pretty straightforward: 30-5, (17-1), Elite Eight, ranked #12 in final poll. That’s what another team needs to beat.

I'm not into this debate, but if folks want to use a simple metric, one can use the Sagarin ratings for comparing teams from different seasons.

They go back to 2002/3 season so it is an imprecise metric but at least it is a metric.

BTW, when I look at trying to judge the validity of computerized rankings I try to find a criterion to compare it. I look at how the teams in a conference in a team is ranked 'by the computer' and how I'd say most 'experts' would rank them.

What does the Sagarins have to say about the 2017/8 MAC teams:

1). UB is defintely the highest ranked team,

2). TOL and EMU are second and third best. The difference between them isn't much.

3). The 'weak sisters' are teams like NIU, BG, Akron, etc. Only Akron of the bottom four made it to CLE. None advanced to the semis.

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/sa...onference/

Based on that I'd say the validity of the Sagarin computerized rankings are as good any human can do by watching dozens and dozens of MAC games.

I thought at the end EMU is/was a better team than TOL, but TOL won in the last 10 seconds Friday in CLE so they can say they were MAC #2. EMU won two of three from TOL but lost the game which counts the most which obviously suggests TOL and EMU are very close in ability.

(03-15-2018 10:56 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  By far? That 2011-2012 Ohio team was pretty damn good too.

UB did a great job of scheduling big teams like URI, Cincy, TAMU, and Cuse.

They certainly didn't crumble under the lights last night.

I was 13-0 going into that game... Lost the last 3 of the night. I had UB until the day before the tourney then switched them. Luckily I only had Zona winning 1 game. In 2 of 10 brackets I did go with UB. In both of those I have them winning one more.

I deserved what I got: 15-1, but I picked Arizona to win the whole thing. Just stupid.

I knew better.

I filled out two of them and 1 is still perfect. At least until today probably....

1.3 million brackets and 300 are still perfect. According to today’s pregame show.

(03-16-2018 06:30 AM)GoBullsGo Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 06:28 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:32 PM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote:  Fun team to watch

By far the best MAC basketball team since the round of eight Kent St team more than a decade ago

GO BULLS !!!!

??? Very good team, but they lost to the last place team as well. There have been some pretty good teams in that stretch. Couldn’t be more thrilled for them, though!

the Elite 8 KSU team also lost to the last place team that year (Buffalo). Not saying they're the best team since that KSU squad for certain but that may not be the metric to use to prove it wrong.

I was leaning more on the “by far” and “since” portions of his statement so that Kent team obviously isn’t included. There have been some good Akron teams, the Whittington/Brown WMU Team and some others that I would rate as pretty close to UB.

(03-15-2018 10:56 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  By far? That 2011-2012 Ohio team was pretty damn good too.

They didn't even win the conference...