(03-19-2018 10:25 PM)ken d Wrote:  So far, the ACC has earned 19 tournament units this year, more than any other conference. The SEC is second, with 16 and the Big 12 has earned 15. Only the Big 12 can win more units by the end of the week.from here.

So, while some fans may feel like the league has underachieved because UVa and UNC took an early exit, it's still been a successful tournament for the ACC no matter how things play out

Your numbers match mine. If the ACC holds on to lead all conferences in NCAA tournament units earned, it will be for the fourth year in a row. Impressive. I will post the final numbers plus project 2019 payouts from the NCAA Tournament Basketball Fund after the Elite Eight is complete. The ACC is looking at a payout next year in the range of $30 million.

(03-19-2018 03:51 PM)cavman Wrote:  I have not thought it of any value to defend Virginia in this thread since every single fan here represents a school that lost to Virginia (20-1 this year). If I agree with the critics here then doesn't that make the rest of the ACC all even less respected, since Virginia beat every single one of them? (every single one, some twice and some thrice!)
So I will just post an article that argues that Bennett not change a thing. If he does not change then that likely means the 80% win percentage in the ACC (both regular season and ACC tourney) over the past 5 years will continue. Boeheim has said that is how to judge a coach and a team, not by the NCAA tournament, but some day a final four will come also.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-...ssion=true

P.S. I'm now pulling for FLaST and Clemson get to the Final Four and for Louisville to win the NIT.

You are a classy poster, Cavman. I can't speak for everyone, but my trolling was intended for Wahoowa, not UVA.

(03-20-2018 11:11 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 03:51 PM)cavman Wrote:  I have not thought it of any value to defend Virginia in this thread since every single fan here represents a school that lost to Virginia (20-1 this year). If I agree with the critics here then doesn't that make the rest of the ACC all even less respected, since Virginia beat every single one of them? (every single one, some twice and some thrice!)
So I will just post an article that argues that Bennett not change a thing. If he does not change then that likely means the 80% win percentage in the ACC (both regular season and ACC tourney) over the past 5 years will continue. Boeheim has said that is how to judge a coach and a team, not by the NCAA tournament, but some day a final four will come also.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-...ssion=true

P.S. I'm now pulling for FLaST and Clemson get to the Final Four and for Louisville to win the NIT.

You are a classy poster, Cavman. I can't speak for everyone, but my trolling was intended for Wahoowa, not UVA.

I agree. Cavman is a classy poster. Im sure most, if not all, this grief is directed at Wahoowa. You two just happen to root for the same team.

(03-19-2018 04:39 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 04:28 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 03:51 PM)cavman Wrote:  I have not thought it of any value to defend Virginia in this thread since every single fan here represents a school that lost to Virginia (20-1 this year). If I agree with the critics here then doesn't that make the rest of the ACC all even less respected, since Virginia beat every single one of them? (every single one, some twice and some thrice!)
So I will just post an article that argues that Bennett not change a thing. If he does not change then that likely means the 80% win percentage in the ACC (both regular season and ACC tourney) over the past 5 years will continue. Boeheim has said that is how to judge a coach and a team, not by the NCAA tournament, but some day a final four will come also.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-...ssion=true

P.S. I'm now pulling for FLaST and Clemson get to the Final Four and for Louisville to win the NIT.

I agree that Bennet shouldn't change a thing. I completely disagree with what Pat Forde was saying on Yahoo.com that TB's system is made to fail in the NCAA tourney. If you can beat the best teams in the ACC, you can make a run in the NCAA tournament.

UVA just ran into a hot 3 point shooting team playing way above the level that they had been playing all year long. I don't think they were under-seeded. They just had a great game at the right time.

Virginia was without a doubt the best in the ACC this year. For some reason TB has had a problem getting his team ready to play in March. Losing their 6th man was definitely a factor but you have to show up ready to play every game. UMBC did & played well over their potential. I would suggest TB change the way he prepares for the tourney instead of changing his system, his system is obviously working.


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I will note that John Wooden didn't win an NCAA tournament until his 18th season as a head coach when he was 53 years old. Coach K didn't win one until his 17th season. Coach Bennett is doing a great job and shouldn't be trashed for one bad outing. Sure he should consider what he can do to prepare his team better in the future, but every coach should be doing that all the time. Virginia's program is as strong as it ever has been and should continue to be so as long as Bennett is there.

(03-20-2018 11:26 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 11:11 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 03:51 PM)cavman Wrote:  I have not thought it of any value to defend Virginia in this thread since every single fan here represents a school that lost to Virginia (20-1 this year). If I agree with the critics here then doesn't that make the rest of the ACC all even less respected, since Virginia beat every single one of them? (every single one, some twice and some thrice!)
So I will just post an article that argues that Bennett not change a thing. If he does not change then that likely means the 80% win percentage in the ACC (both regular season and ACC tourney) over the past 5 years will continue. Boeheim has said that is how to judge a coach and a team, not by the NCAA tournament, but some day a final four will come also.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-...ssion=true

P.S. I'm now pulling for FLaST and Clemson get to the Final Four and for Louisville to win the NIT.

You are a classy poster, Cavman. I can't speak for everyone, but my trolling was intended for Wahoowa, not UVA.

I agree. Cavman is a classy poster. Im sure most, if not all, this grief is directed at Wahoowa. You two just happen to root for the same team.

Ditto...wahoowa came on like a punk. Cavman you are ok.

(03-18-2018 08:21 PM)texasorange Wrote:  Craziest damn tournament I can remember. I wonder if there have been more upsets this year than the previous others? Or does it just feel that way?

Well, coming into this year's tournament, I think there was general agreement that there really weren't many dominant teams compared with prior years. All year long favorites were dropping like flies to teams we would have thought shouldn't have been able to beat them. I think the tournament is just a continuation of that. We call these "upsets" because the lower seeded team won, but that's just because somebody had to get the high seeds, whether or not they deserved them more.

Congrats Florida St on their first Elite 8 in a quarter century.

I have to admit, the Noles making it to the final 8 is WTH for me. Louisville struggled mightily this year but beat FSU two of three, including dominating them in Brooklyn early this month.

I can't believe Syracuse made it this far either. You never know in March.

Yes, Congrats to the Noles for getting to the Elite 8. The ninth ACC team to do so in the past 4 years and the seventh different ACC program to do it in that span as well.

And hopefully two more ACC squads (preferably both wearing Orange) join FSU today.

Cheers,
Neil

Go Tigers! Let’s have an all ACC Elite Eight game in Omaha.

(03-20-2018 11:26 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 11:11 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 03:51 PM)cavman Wrote:  I have not thought it of any value to defend Virginia in this thread since every single fan here represents a school that lost to Virginia (20-1 this year). If I agree with the critics here then doesn't that make the rest of the ACC all even less respected, since Virginia beat every single one of them? (every single one, some twice and some thrice!)
So I will just post an article that argues that Bennett not change a thing. If he does not change then that likely means the 80% win percentage in the ACC (both regular season and ACC tourney) over the past 5 years will continue. Boeheim has said that is how to judge a coach and a team, not by the NCAA tournament, but some day a final four will come also.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-...ssion=true

P.S. I'm now pulling for FLaST and Clemson get to the Final Four and for Louisville to win the NIT.

You are a classy poster, Cavman. I can't speak for everyone, but my trolling was intended for Wahoowa, not UVA.

I agree. Cavman is a classy poster. Im sure most, if not all, this grief is directed at Wahoowa. You two just happen to root for the same team.

Agreed. Caveman has shown level-headedness & class. Too bad the Cavs season ended so early. But in the end, only one team finishes with a win.

(03-20-2018 12:24 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 08:21 PM)texasorange Wrote:  Craziest damn tournament I can remember. I wonder if there have been more upsets this year than the previous others? Or does it just feel that way?

Well, coming into this year's tournament, I think there was general agreement that there really weren't many dominant teams compared with prior years. All year long favorites were dropping like flies to teams we would have thought shouldn't have been able to beat them. I think the tournament is just a continuation of that. We call these "upsets" because the lower seeded team won, but that's just because somebody had to get the high seeds, whether or not they deserved them more.

True. I guess it’s old man syndrome. Funny how college football seems to be going in the other direction. Or maybe I’m just tired of Alabama...

(03-23-2018 10:18 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 12:24 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 08:21 PM)texasorange Wrote:  Craziest damn tournament I can remember. I wonder if there have been more upsets this year than the previous others? Or does it just feel that way?

Well, coming into this year's tournament, I think there was general agreement that there really weren't many dominant teams compared with prior years. All year long favorites were dropping like flies to teams we would have thought shouldn't have been able to beat them. I think the tournament is just a continuation of that. We call these "upsets" because the lower seeded team won, but that's just because somebody had to get the high seeds, whether or not they deserved them more.

True. I guess it’s old man syndrome. Funny how college football seems to be going in the other direction. Or maybe I’m just tired of Alabama...

I think football merely gives the illusion of a few dominant teams by keeping the playoff field so small. Alabama has had a 1-in-4 chance of winning the championship every year, and they have won it twice so far. Meanwhile, Clemson is 1 out of 3, Ohio State is 1 out of 2, and teams like UCF haven't been given a chance to see if they can upset Bama...

(03-24-2018 02:23 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 10:18 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 12:24 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 08:21 PM)texasorange Wrote:  Craziest damn tournament I can remember. I wonder if there have been more upsets this year than the previous others? Or does it just feel that way?

Well, coming into this year's tournament, I think there was general agreement that there really weren't many dominant teams compared with prior years. All year long favorites were dropping like flies to teams we would have thought shouldn't have been able to beat them. I think the tournament is just a continuation of that. We call these "upsets" because the lower seeded team won, but that's just because somebody had to get the high seeds, whether or not they deserved them more.

True. I guess it’s old man syndrome. Funny how college football seems to be going in the other direction. Or maybe I’m just tired of Alabama...

I think football merely gives the illusion of a few dominant teams by keeping the playoff field so small. Alabama has had a 1-in-4 chance of winning the championship every year, and they have won it twice so far. Meanwhile, Clemson is 1 out of 3, Ohio State is 1 out of 2, and teams like UCF haven't been given a chance to see if they can upset Bama...

UCF was a very good team last year, it would have been interesting to see them compete in the CFP.


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I hope Duke wins tomorrow, so the ACC will have at least one team in the final 4. The Big12 had a chance to put 3 teams in the Final 4, ideally they'll have none.