(03-15-2018 10:29 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Going indy would be suicide for a non P5 school not named BYU. You lose all bowl tie-ins. Try to negotiate against an entire conference. And unless you have another conference for olympic sports and BB, then you'll lose the NCAA autobid and are taking a HUGE chance at trying to get an at-large. Just don't see that much upside that would outweigh conference affiliation.

Between, the Horizon, MVC, and A10, I bet we could get everyone covered for basketball and other sports.

I'm guessing CUSA is still offering all or parts of their remaining inventory to someone.

Move UAB east & add Arkansas State+Cajuns to the west. That positions C-USA to amicably split when the timing works out.

The east could emphasize quality basketball retaining the C-USA auto-bid.

The west could rebrand as the new SWC focused on football development.

(03-15-2018 10:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:21 AM)Cerebus Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 09:57 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Let's call it what it is: religious bigotry.

It's actually academic integrity.

The people who decide the memberships of the conference are the university presidents. They care about academic integrity.

Liberty doesn't offer tenure. Many of their programs aren't accredited.

I can assure you that if a highly religious school with good academic integrity came calling, such as BYU, the conference presidents would fall all over themselves to be the first to vote yes.

Actually, bigotry is exactly why BYU keeps getting shafted. They were left out of the PAC 12 due to where the mormon church stood on gay marriage and I guarantee the conference presidents would not fall all over themselves.

Sounds to me like the PAC 12 is being bigoted toward religious beliefs, if that was the case.

If you're calling that bigotry, then just step out and say Christians are bigoted. Because that's essentially the basis of it.

(03-15-2018 11:08 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:21 AM)Cerebus Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 09:57 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Let's call it what it is: religious bigotry.

It's actually academic integrity.

The people who decide the memberships of the conference are the university presidents. They care about academic integrity.

Liberty doesn't offer tenure. Many of their programs aren't accredited.

I can assure you that if a highly religious school with good academic integrity came calling, such as BYU, the conference presidents would fall all over themselves to be the first to vote yes.

Actually, bigotry is exactly why BYU keeps getting shafted. They were left out of the PAC 12 due to where the mormon church stood on gay marriage and I guarantee the conference presidents would not fall all over themselves.

Sounds to me like the PAC 12 is being bigoted toward religious beliefs, if that was the case.

If you're calling that bigotry, then just step out and say Christians are bigoted. Because that's essentially the basis of it.

You miss the point. He is saying we turned down a qualified candidate based on their beliefs.

It shouldn't be about that. But it is.

(03-15-2018 11:12 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 11:08 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:21 AM)Cerebus Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 09:57 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Let's call it what it is: religious bigotry.

It's actually academic integrity.

The people who decide the memberships of the conference are the university presidents. They care about academic integrity.

Liberty doesn't offer tenure. Many of their programs aren't accredited.

I can assure you that if a highly religious school with good academic integrity came calling, such as BYU, the conference presidents would fall all over themselves to be the first to vote yes.

Actually, bigotry is exactly why BYU keeps getting shafted. They were left out of the PAC 12 due to where the mormon church stood on gay marriage and I guarantee the conference presidents would not fall all over themselves.

Sounds to me like the PAC 12 is being bigoted toward religious beliefs, if that was the case.

If you're calling that bigotry, then just step out and say Christians are bigoted. Because that's essentially the basis of it.

You miss the point. He is saying we turned down a qualified candidate based on their beliefs.

It shouldn't be about that. But it is.

I got the point. I'm just talking about the subject of BYU from his post.

(03-15-2018 11:15 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 11:12 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 11:08 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:21 AM)Cerebus Wrote:  It's actually academic integrity.

The people who decide the memberships of the conference are the university presidents. They care about academic integrity.

Liberty doesn't offer tenure. Many of their programs aren't accredited.

I can assure you that if a highly religious school with good academic integrity came calling, such as BYU, the conference presidents would fall all over themselves to be the first to vote yes.

Actually, bigotry is exactly why BYU keeps getting shafted. They were left out of the PAC 12 due to where the mormon church stood on gay marriage and I guarantee the conference presidents would not fall all over themselves.

Sounds to me like the PAC 12 is being bigoted toward religious beliefs, if that was the case.

If you're calling that bigotry, then just step out and say Christians are bigoted. Because that's essentially the basis of it.

You miss the point. He is saying we turned down a qualified candidate based on their beliefs.

It shouldn't be about that. But it is.

I got the point. I'm just talking about the subject of BYU from his post.

No worries.

(03-15-2018 10:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:21 AM)Cerebus Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 09:57 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Let's call it what it is: religious bigotry.

It's actually academic integrity.

The people who decide the memberships of the conference are the university presidents. They care about academic integrity.

Liberty doesn't offer tenure. Many of their programs aren't accredited.

I can assure you that if a highly religious school with good academic integrity came calling, such as BYU, the conference presidents would fall all over themselves to be the first to vote yes.

Actually, bigotry is exactly why BYU keeps getting shafted. They were left out of the PAC 12 due to where the mormon church stood on gay marriage and I guarantee the conference presidents would not fall all over themselves.

I wasn't talk about why BYU wasn't in the P12. I was talking about why Liberty isn't in CUSA.

(03-14-2018 06:55 PM)TTT Wrote:  SBC gets 500k from ESPN, lotta games on TV but probably mostly weekdays. Everything else streamable through ESPN3/+ etc.

CUSA gets 400k from CBS, not many games on TV but the ones we do will probably be on Saturdays (otherwise, this is REALLY a terrible deal IMO). Everything else streamable on FB, Stadium etc.

Is this a fair comparison in a nutshell?

Where did you get the $500k figure for the SBC?

https://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/stor...429479002/

Quote:The league still has one year left on its contract with beIN Sports, but Gilbert said there’s a chance C-USA will eventually reup with that network. He added schools will still have the opportunity to broadcast their games on ESPN3.
Under the current agreement, each institution was responsible for production costs. That will change this fall.

“There are a lot of times we may be on a certain network or entity and we have to cover the production costs,” Gilbert said. “That can be expensive. So, in this deal, (CBS Sports Network, Stadium or Facebook will be) covering the production cost of putting the game on. It’ll be a high-quality production which is really encouraging.”
Schools will still be on the hook for production costs of any games broadcast by ESPN3. Gilbert said the increase in revenue will help Southern Miss improve its equipment and streaming capabilities.
“We, as a league, have to improve the way we’re streaming our games,” he said. “We all have to get up to a certain level. We, at Southern Miss, are not at the level we want to be. So we’ll be investing some and working on our production of streaming events.”

(03-15-2018 09:03 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 08:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 08:46 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Independence would not be kind to Marshall. We struggle to build a 4 game OOC schedule. I can't imagine we would be able to fill a full competitive schedule.

The answer is to get 4-5 others to go indy and have a scheduling agreement. And play Liberty.

Going independent and then setting up scheduling agreements with other independent schools just sounds like being in a conference without getting any of the benefits of being in a conference.

Yes, and you will never know what the other 5 are up to as far as conference affiliation is concerned. Your nice independent group could shrink anytime at your expense. Not a good plan.

(03-14-2018 09:03 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Does anyone have a link to the 500k for the Sun Belt tv deal?

It's a made up number. They were making $100k. Now it's $500k? They quintupled their media income. No easy trick.

“There are a lot of times we may be on a certain network or entity and we have to cover the production costs,” Gilbert said. “That can be expensive. So, in this deal, (CBS Sports Network, Stadium or Facebook will be) covering the production cost of putting the game on. It’ll be a high-quality production which is really encouraging.


Expensive? just let some students and interns run it like the Belchers said and the cost will be neglible

Chiefsfan "and can use students you don't have to pay then"

What did CUSA’s tv deal look like in 2012 versus today, what did SBC’s look like?

Where is this "500k" coming from, I have searched and found nothing. Not saying that isn't the case or that it even really matters, but I would like to see a reference, so help me out here belt fans. As far as 400K, that's not in stone either, remember last go around we all thought it would be 800, then it went to 400, then we all were shocked to find out it was actually around 200.........don't jump the gun here

All I have found is some BS piece written by a Sun Belt (Ark State) homeboy, using rumors as fact. Damn, if rumors were true all the time, we wouldn't have had the media deal mess last go around. He also infers that we aren't going to reup with BeIn, which clearly we are negotiating with them to do just that. What crap written piece.

Is this a fair summary of financials:
SBC
- gets $500k, but will be out some production $s. Those production $s may or may not be significant
- no additional inventory to sell for revenue

CUSA
- gets $400k from new contract. Pays $0 for production.
- gets $s from BeIn for 1 more year
- there is a lot of inventory that can still be sold for revenue and ESPN is still in play, but likely not BeIn

The above seems like a net improvement for CUSA and will result in more TV $s than SBC. True? False?

Such is life on the internet, bloggers double as legit news outlets lol. I haven't seen or heard any hard figures yet. May have to wait until tax records become available. I do feel like focusing on production costs is kicking the can down the road a bit though. I don't think it'll serve the conference well to be the last to upgrade production capabilities as that is seemingly where things are headed, whether it's for a company owned or conference owned network.

USM AD:

Quote:Gilbert said the increase in revenue will help Southern Miss improve its equipment and streaming capabilities.

“We, as a league, have to improve the way we’re streaming our games,” he said. “We all have to get up to a certain level. We, at Southern Miss, are not at the level we want to be. So we’ll be investing some and working on our production of streaming events.”

(03-15-2018 06:35 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 09:03 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Does anyone have a link to the 500k for the Sun Belt tv deal?

It's a made up number. They were making $100k. Now it's $500k? They quintupled their media income. No easy trick.

The only number I’ve seen is the quote from the article where they throw a cheap jab at I assume towards the Sun Belt.


“A league might say they have a $10 million deal with ESPN,” he said. “What they don’t tell you is $9 million is sent back to ESPN in production costs. So they actually have a $1 million deal with ESPN.”

So 1 million divided by 10 universities = $100,000 each.

(03-16-2018 11:08 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 06:35 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 09:03 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Does anyone have a link to the 500k for the Sun Belt tv deal?

It's a made up number. They were making $100k. Now it's $500k? They quintupled their media income. No easy trick.

The only number I’ve seen is the quote from the article where they throw a cheap jab at I assume towards the Sun Belt.


“A league might say they have a $10 million deal with ESPN,” he said. “What they don’t tell you is $9 million is sent back to ESPN in production costs. So they actually have a $1 million deal with ESPN.”

So 1 million divided by 10 universities = $100,000 each.

But $10M / 10 schools != $500k