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RE: CUSA Announced New TV deal
(03-16-2018 12:56 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  Folks, ain't none of us making any real money or getting prime time exposure. This is like watching hyenas fighting for scraps after the lion has eaten its fill. G5 teams need to quit bickering and start working together for a collective better tomorrow.

Nerd alert: Lions scavenge just as much from hyenas. The 2 species are bitter rivals and constantly fight for supremacy. Lions individually have the advantage, but hyenas travel in much larger family groups that can overwhelm a lion pride.

Back on topic. Yes neither conference is getting any real money, but this is a huge step up for SBC and puts on "equal" terms with CUSA's TV deal. I just personally prefer as a fan the SBC deal to CUSA. It's a much more streamlined deal with games easily found and guaranteed to be on, unlike some OTA games that make get bumped for an infomercial. The quality will be much better for the SBC games and production cost was already included in most of the SBC teams budget (except now we look like we will be compensated) so it's still an extra 400-500K in the budget. 04-cheers
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(03-16-2018 01:09 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 12:56 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  Folks, ain't none of us making any real money or getting prime time exposure. This is like watching hyenas fighting for scraps after the lion has eaten its fill. G5 teams need to quit bickering and start working together for a collective better tomorrow.

Nerd alert: Lions scavenge just as much from hyenas. The 2 species are bitter rivals and constantly fight for supremacy. Lions individually have the advantage, but hyenas travel in much larger family groups that can overwhelm a lion pride.

Back on topic. Yes neither conference is getting any real money, but this is a huge step up for SBC and puts on "equal" terms with CUSA's TV deal. I just personally prefer as a fan the SBC deal to CUSA. It's a much more streamlined deal with games easily found and guaranteed to be on, unlike some OTA games that make get bumped for an infomercial. The quality will be much better for the SBC games and production cost was already included in most of the SBC teams budget (except now we look like we will be compensated) so it's still an extra 400-500K in the budget. 04-cheers
Also, ESPN is throwing us some money to get nice and shiny production equipment
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(03-14-2018 07:01 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 06:32 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 06:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  He knows its not a very good deal, he just doesn't like ESPN. Stadium is in a few markets, no different than what Sinclair was, and having watched a couple of the Facebook broadcasts, they have zero viewer base.

If we play off the assumption that 80 home football games are under the CUSA TV contract. Assume that Bein will pick up 10 or so when they eventually sign on, we're probably saying about half of their home football games will end up on CUSA's own online subscription service.

Conference makes some money off the deal. They won't have to pay to upgrade their facilities and produce the broadcasts like we do, but ultimately, they screw their own fans in terms of access.

9 games on television...that's less than what we got, and all of the 9 will be on CBSSN, which is far less mainstream when it comes to availability.

How many schools in this conference have not already done this? I would think most already have the infrastructure to do it.

Most everyone has already done it. ULM has the most work to do, Little Rock has a fair amount as well. The rest are either done, or have small tweaks to make.

I thought ESPN was helping to pay for this as part fo the deal?
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(03-16-2018 03:34 PM)Warhawkman Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 07:01 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 06:32 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 06:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  He knows its not a very good deal, he just doesn't like ESPN. Stadium is in a few markets, no different than what Sinclair was, and having watched a couple of the Facebook broadcasts, they have zero viewer base.

If we play off the assumption that 80 home football games are under the CUSA TV contract. Assume that Bein will pick up 10 or so when they eventually sign on, we're probably saying about half of their home football games will end up on CUSA's own online subscription service.

Conference makes some money off the deal. They won't have to pay to upgrade their facilities and produce the broadcasts like we do, but ultimately, they screw their own fans in terms of access.

9 games on television...that's less than what we got, and all of the 9 will be on CBSSN, which is far less mainstream when it comes to availability.

How many schools in this conference have not already done this? I would think most already have the infrastructure to do it.

Most everyone has already done it. ULM has the most work to do, Little Rock has a fair amount as well. The rest are either done, or have small tweaks to make.

I thought ESPN was helping to pay for this as part fo the deal?

The SBC is paying for it out of the TV share.
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(03-15-2018 07:39 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 01:29 PM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  I suspect that Stadium will roll out “channels” for many of the CUSA team cities. Stadium Charlotte, Stadium Tide Water, Stadium Birmingham, etc, etc. This may actually turn into a good platform but in the meantime ESPN is the only power brand to be associated with and it is fantastic that we are on and associated with ESPN along with the big boys.

No not the big boys, Sunbelt and FCS will be regeleted to ESPN+

"ESPN’s new subscription app will cost $5 a month. It will not be a huge hit.
It will cost $5 a month. Tough sell.

That’s because if you’re the kind of person who likes watching the stuff that ESPN is paying billions of dollars a year to show you — NFL games, NBA games, big-time college football and other top-tier sports — ESPN’s new service won’t give you what you want.

Instead, ESPN Plus will have programming that ESPN doesn’t think is valuable enough to put on regular TV

ESPN still hasn’t publicly spelled out what that means, but people familiar with the company have filled in the blanks. Think small college sports."


https://www.recode.net/2018/2/6/16982032...ve-dollars
$5 mo is a tough sell?

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(03-16-2018 03:40 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 03:34 PM)Warhawkman Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 07:01 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 06:32 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 06:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  He knows its not a very good deal, he just doesn't like ESPN. Stadium is in a few markets, no different than what Sinclair was, and having watched a couple of the Facebook broadcasts, they have zero viewer base.

If we play off the assumption that 80 home football games are under the CUSA TV contract. Assume that Bein will pick up 10 or so when they eventually sign on, we're probably saying about half of their home football games will end up on CUSA's own online subscription service.

Conference makes some money off the deal. They won't have to pay to upgrade their facilities and produce the broadcasts like we do, but ultimately, they screw their own fans in terms of access.

9 games on television...that's less than what we got, and all of the 9 will be on CBSSN, which is far less mainstream when it comes to availability.

How many schools in this conference have not already done this? I would think most already have the infrastructure to do it.

Most everyone has already done it. ULM has the most work to do, Little Rock has a fair amount as well. The rest are either done, or have small tweaks to make.

I thought ESPN was helping to pay for this as part fo the deal?

The SBC is paying for it out of the TV share.

Oh ok good to know. i'm interested to see what gets put on ESPN+ even if its just whats on ESPN 3 its worth it. I wonder if they'll put all the 30 for 30s on it as well would be cool to have all those on demand. The most exciting part is that every basketball game will now be shown. No more having to watch gamecast or listen to the radio
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(03-16-2018 03:49 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 07:39 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 01:29 PM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  I suspect that Stadium will roll out “channels” for many of the CUSA team cities. Stadium Charlotte, Stadium Tide Water, Stadium Birmingham, etc, etc. This may actually turn into a good platform but in the meantime ESPN is the only power brand to be associated with and it is fantastic that we are on and associated with ESPN along with the big boys.

No not the big boys, Sunbelt and FCS will be regeleted to ESPN+

"ESPN’s new subscription app will cost $5 a month. It will not be a huge hit.
It will cost $5 a month. Tough sell.

That’s because if you’re the kind of person who likes watching the stuff that ESPN is paying billions of dollars a year to show you — NFL games, NBA games, big-time college football and other top-tier sports — ESPN’s new service won’t give you what you want.

Instead, ESPN Plus will have programming that ESPN doesn’t think is valuable enough to put on regular TV

ESPN still hasn’t publicly spelled out what that means, but people familiar with the company have filled in the blanks. Think small college sports."


https://www.recode.net/2018/2/6/16982032...ve-dollars
$5 mo is a tough sell?

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$5 is a whole months worth of rent in Ruston, LA.
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(03-16-2018 03:55 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 03:49 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 07:39 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 01:29 PM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  I suspect that Stadium will roll out “channels” for many of the CUSA team cities. Stadium Charlotte, Stadium Tide Water, Stadium Birmingham, etc, etc. This may actually turn into a good platform but in the meantime ESPN is the only power brand to be associated with and it is fantastic that we are on and associated with ESPN along with the big boys.

No not the big boys, Sunbelt and FCS will be regeleted to ESPN+

"ESPN’s new subscription app will cost $5 a month. It will not be a huge hit.
It will cost $5 a month. Tough sell.

That’s because if you’re the kind of person who likes watching the stuff that ESPN is paying billions of dollars a year to show you — NFL games, NBA games, big-time college football and other top-tier sports — ESPN’s new service won’t give you what you want.

Instead, ESPN Plus will have programming that ESPN doesn’t think is valuable enough to put on regular TV

ESPN still hasn’t publicly spelled out what that means, but people familiar with the company have filled in the blanks. Think small college sports."


https://www.recode.net/2018/2/6/16982032...ve-dollars
$5 mo is a tough sell?

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$5 is a whole months worth of rent in Ruston, LA.
Evidently...

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(03-16-2018 12:18 PM)moonshine Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 11:41 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  Personally, UNCC is a bust and I'd much rather have App St than most of the others added in 2013.

I have seen several CUSA posters, mostly from the east, mention App recently as a member of some hypothetical realignment. If you go back to around 2012-13, this was not the consensus of CUSA members at the time when App was available to add. Most fans of CUSA programs wanted nothing to do with App St.

Don't get me wrong, I have the utmost respect for USM and would love to share a conference with your program. Definitely excited to host the Eagles at "the Rock". Based on what I've read on this message board, I think the likes of USM and Marshall would be welcomed to the SBC if your 2 programs were so inclined to accept an invite...not that the posters here have any say in extending an invitation.

Although a bit of a stretch, MTSU could lay claim to the Nashville market. It would make about as much sense as any other team CUSA invited due to "market", since the reality is none of the "market" teams even command a decent percentage of said "market".

I don't even know why, but I like them as well.
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(03-16-2018 06:04 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 12:18 PM)moonshine Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 11:41 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  Personally, UNCC is a bust and I'd much rather have App St than most of the others added in 2013.

I have seen several CUSA posters, mostly from the east, mention App recently as a member of some hypothetical realignment. If you go back to around 2012-13, this was not the consensus of CUSA members at the time when App was available to add. Most fans of CUSA programs wanted nothing to do with App St.

Don't get me wrong, I have the utmost respect for USM and would love to share a conference with your program. Definitely excited to host the Eagles at "the Rock". Based on what I've read on this message board, I think the likes of USM and Marshall would be welcomed to the SBC if your 2 programs were so inclined to accept an invite...not that the posters here have any say in extending an invitation.

Although a bit of a stretch, MTSU could lay claim to the Nashville market. It would make about as much sense as any other team CUSA invited due to "market", since the reality is none of the "market" teams even command a decent percentage of said "market".

I don't even know why, but I like them as well.
Aye I like USM and Marshall... That being said I'm beyond glad the CUSA didnt want us and we landed in the SBC

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I don’t think any of us, besides maybe Texas St. would donsider a move to C-USA and that use to not be the case. That’s the tale of the tape to me. $5 a month is nothing for the content a quality we will get in all our sports. I like our deal WAY better. Adding Marshall and USM would be fine with me and I believe are the only other C-USA teams to be worth a further split in money.
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I understand whys some in the CUSA camp likes their deal. In theory it isn't horrible. CBS Sports gets 10 high quality games with one being the Conference Champ game (though having it not on ESPN like every other conference is a big risk) as well as some CBS and Stadium produced Facebook games. Even with the 10 Bein game coverage included there's a LOT of games that currently do not have an outlet beyond CUSATV. CUSATV is more costly than ESPN+, the product is inferior and takes away from their deal dramatically.

This unpurchased inventory can be picked up, but it's going to be worth very little I think. Mainly because CBSSN, Stadium and Bein will have sliced up the games they want leaving scraps. ESPN wouldn't pay much for those scraps. Local outlets (that aren't stadium) will have to be the buyer of these.




One thing I HOPE the SBC/ESPN contract contains is the ability for individual game rights to be sold to local stations. If WXII or WLOS or another station wants to purchase the rights to air locally an App game and will pony up for it, I hope ESPN and the Belt take that extra money.
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(03-17-2018 09:50 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I understand whys some in the CUSA camp likes their deal. In theory it isn't horrible. CBS Sports gets 10 high quality games with one being the Conference Champ game (though having it not on ESPN like every other conference is a big risk) as well as some CBS and Stadium produced Facebook games. Even with the 10 Bein game coverage included there's a LOT of games that currently do not have an outlet beyond CUSATV. CUSATV is more costly than ESPN+, the product is inferior and takes away from their deal dramatically.

This unpurchased inventory can be picked up, but it's going to be worth very little I think. Mainly because CBSSN, Stadium and Bein will have sliced up the games they want leaving scraps. ESPN wouldn't pay much for those scraps. Local outlets (that aren't stadium) will have to be the buyer of these


One thing I HOPE the SBC/ESPN contract contains is the ability for individual game rights to be sold to local stations. If WXII or WLOS or another station wants to purchase the rights to air locally an App game and will pony up for it, I hope ESPN and the Belt take that extra money.


Pretty sure all SBC content belongs to ESPN now for TV. All football and basketball games will be aired on one of the ESPN stations. Most of the baseball, softball, soccer, etc... will be aired on ESPN+(maybe a few could get picked up on the non-streaming channels). There will be very little that is not aired that any local station would want to purchase.

I've said it before, but I like the convience and overall low price tag for having all our games in one location that I know will have great video quality and graphics (announcers are iffy). Sorry, but CUSA's hodge-podge deal is not something that I would want for my school or conference. It's not a terrible deal, just that I think the SBC's in much better. I also think the SBC will come out on top of the money stat when we learn all details too (if not, its still more than we were getting and just a bonus to help in other areas).
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I think the SBC deal is stronger than CUSA on a national level. Having local TV outlets (not just side channels) does help grow a local following but doesn't help the national brand really.

With ESPN working with the SBC and MAC I would think they would help nudge the pollster and bowl committees to favor "their conferences" a little more.

ESPN Events owning so many of the G5 bowl games mean that when Bowl contracts are up in 2020 (or whenever it is) that the SBC is in good position to keep our popular ones and maybe even gain something.
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(03-17-2018 10:42 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I think the SBC deal is stronger than CUSA on a national level. Having local TV outlets (not just side channels) does help grow a local following but doesn't help the national brand really.

With ESPN working with the SBC and MAC I would think they would help nudge the pollster and bowl committees to favor "their conferences" a little more.

ESPN Events owning so many of the G5 bowl games mean that when Bowl contracts are up in 2020 (or whenever it is) that the SBC is in good position to keep our popular ones and maybe even gain something.

Excellent points. We may lose the Orlando bowl to a CUSA team, but then pick up a bowl from them the ESPN owns. Hopefully it is one in or close to SBC teams.
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I also see losing the Orlando Bowl. But ESPN owns several bowls with AAC tie-ins that could replace it.

Gasparilla Bowl
Boca Raton Bowl
Frisco Bowl

All have AAC tie-ins that could work with the SBC.


Maybe dump CUSA as an Alternative tie-in for the Birmingham Bowl




ESPN Events own these bowls:

Armed Forces Bowl
Birmingham Bowl
Bahamas Bowl
Boca Raton Bowl
Camellia Bowl
Celebration Bowl
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl
Frisco Bowl
Gasparilla Bowl
Hawaiʻi Bowl
Heart of Dallas Bowl
Las Vegas Bowl
New Mexico Bowl
Texas Bowl


That's all to say that another bowl doesn't get created in the mean time. In 2020 we might have the Myrtle Beach Bowl, who knows.
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A bowl in SC makes a lot of sense for the SBC, four teams could bring 10k+ fans.
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(03-17-2018 12:11 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  A bowl in SC makes a lot of sense for the SBC, four teams could bring 10k+ fans.

Charleston might be the next bowl game added, if they are still interested. They were ready to add a bowl game and funding from the city to improve Citadels stadium, but the NCAA ban killed the plans and instead they do a senior bowl exhibition game. If it were at Myrtle Beach area, would CC host?

between the 2 I would prefer Charleston. Just my preference.
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(03-17-2018 12:11 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  A bowl in SC makes a lot of sense for the SBC, four teams could bring 10k+ fans.

Charleston might be the next bowl game added, if they are still interested. They were ready to add a bowl game and funding from the city to improve Citadels stadium, but the NCAA ban killed the plans and instead they do a senior bowl exhibition game. If it were at Myrtle Beach area, would CC host?

between the 2 I would prefer Charleston. Just my preference.

Charleston Bowl will not happen. 3 Years ago yes, but El Cid decided to reduce the seating of their stadium from 21k to 13-15k or something.


The Visit Myrtle Beach tourism board is seriously looking to host a bowl game now that CCU's stadium will be over 20k


Edit:
oooopph. Their stadium is now at 11.5k seats. Charleston ain't gonna happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_Hagood_Stadium
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(03-17-2018 12:25 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(03-17-2018 12:22 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  
(03-17-2018 12:11 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  A bowl in SC makes a lot of sense for the SBC, four teams could bring 10k+ fans.

Charleston might be the next bowl game added, if they are still interested. They were ready to add a bowl game and funding from the city to improve Citadels stadium, but the NCAA ban killed the plans and instead they do a senior bowl exhibition game. If it were at Myrtle Beach area, would CC host?

between the 2 I would prefer Charleston. Just my preference.

Charleston Bowl will not happen. 3 Years ago yes, but El Cid decided to reduce the seating of their stadium from 21k to 13-15k or something.


The Visit Myrtle Beach tourism board is seriously looking to host a bowl game now that CCU's stadium will be over 20k


Edit:
oooopph. Their stadium is now at 11.5k seats. Charleston ain't gonna happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_Hagood_Stadium
Plan is to get it to 15K. Citadel averages around 12,500 per game now. They once were the traditional SoCon leaders at over 20K.

https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/ci...11326.html

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