Kind of looking at conferences- lets look at conferences that had a lot of teams in 31-50 range(thus hurt as those games not tier 1 games when at home) and 51-75 range(thus helped as those games now tier 1 games when playing away)

ACC- 2 31-50, 4 51-75
BE- 4 31-50, 1 51-75
B12- 1 31-50, 2 51-75
B10- 0 31-50, 2 51-75
P12- 2 31-50, 4 51-75
SEC- 3 31-50, 1 51-75

folks thought ACC had a bit of luck- and you see why given the breaktown. Similarly, the Big East got dinged pretty good on the seeds- and you see why there as well....

I do find it interesting that how the Big East teams wound up doing with seeding. Beyond Villanova and Xavier, the rest were relegated to "the stew" (lines 7-10).

Proportionally, the SEC was relegated there, too. 4/6 in the stew for the Big East, 5/8 for SEC...Big XII was spared (3/7), as was the ACC (3/9). Rhodie rounds out the 16th team in that four-line bloc (so, no Big Ten or PAC teams).

Really, you don't want the 7-10 lines in this thing, facing a top line the first weekend. In some respects, you may be better off this year as a play-in team, like the PAC has going for it twice...a 3-seed isn't as scary this year.

(03-12-2018 12:25 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I do find it interesting that how the Big East teams wound up doing with seeding. Beyond Villanova and Xavier, the rest were relegated to "the stew."

Proportionally, the SEC was relegated there, too. 4/6 in the stew for the Big East, 5/8 for SEC...Big XII was spared (3/7), as was the ACC (3/9). Rhodie rounds out the 16th team in that four-line bloc (so, no Big Ten or PAC teams).

Really, you don't want the 7-10 lines in this thing, facing a top line the first weekend. In some respects, you may be better off this year as a play-in team, like the PAC has going for it twice...a 3-seed isn't as scary this year.

Yes, the seeding sets the Big East and SEC up for a lot of second, even first round losses.

Expect a lot of "wow, the SEC and Big East were overrated, got way too many bids" talk this weekend. But really, it's the result of seedings.

In contrast, the B1G got a lot fewer teams in, but they are all seeded very nicely so all will likely go deep in the draw. Probably 3 sweet 16 teams.

the penalty isn't just facing a 1 or 2 seed in rd 2. It's facing them in a de facto road game.
Virginia, UNC in Charlotte
Kansas in Wichita
Purdue in Detroit
Villanova in Pittsburgh

look at what Big East has over the weekend potentially with their non 1 seeds
Creighton vs Virignia in Charlotte
Providence vs UNC in Charlotte
Butler vs Purdue in Detroit
Seton Hall vs Kansas in Wichita

(03-12-2018 12:25 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I do find it interesting that how the Big East teams wound up doing with seeding. Beyond Villanova and Xavier, the rest were relegated to "the stew" (lines 7-10).

Proportionally, the SEC was relegated there, too. 4/6 in the stew for the Big East, 5/8 for SEC...Big XII was spared (3/7), as was the ACC (3/9). Rhodie rounds out the 16th team in that four-line bloc (so, no Big Ten or PAC teams).

Really, you don't want the 7-10 lines in this thing, facing a top line the first weekend. In some respects, you may be better off this year as a play-in team, like the PAC has going for it twice...a 3-seed isn't as scary this year.

so looking at this- the Big East and Big 12 had 7 of their 13 teams combined in the 7-10 soup. The leagues had 5 teams finishing better than 10-8 and all 5 got top 6 seeds at least. They had 11 teams finishing between 10-8 and 8-10. 8 made the tourney, but only 1 of those 8 teams finished with better than a 7 seed(a 6 seed). The round robin really hurts those 2 leagues in seedings for teams outside the top 2 to maybe 3 places.

(03-12-2018 01:02 PM)stever20 Wrote:  the penalty isn't just facing a 1 or 2 seed in rd 2. It's facing them in a de facto road game.
Virginia, UNC in Charlotte
Kansas in Wichita
Purdue in Detroit
Villanova in Pittsburgh

look at what Big East has over the weekend potentially with their non 1 seeds
Creighton vs Virignia in Charlotte
Providence vs UNC in Charlotte
Butler vs Purdue in Detroit
Seton Hall vs Kansas in Wichita

In that group, Kansas is protected from Creighton in Wichita, while Purdue is actually punished with Butler (though it's a rematch on a neutral floor). Actually, Arkansas really drew the short straw there...a 10 that close to home is problematic. Butler's got a good path to Villanova, actually. Heck, it's like Tech is punished there, too.