Let's say that the University were considering a replacement for Tubby.

And their choices were three guys who played college and NBA ball that had ok, but not stellar careers. They had a few years of middle school and high school coaching experience and some experience with AAU ball, but they had zero connection to the University of Memphis, the Memphis Grizzlies, the city of Memphis, or the Tennessee/Mississippi/Arkansas area. And they had no college or pro coaching experience at all.

Would they even be considered serious candidates at all? Or would we be talking about current college head coaches and assistant coaches as replacements?

If you're honest, you'd say they wouldn't be considered at all and we'd only be talking about current college head coaches and assistant coaches.

Don't let your love of a hometown hero overload your common sense. Hiring Penny is a bad move.

(03-09-2018 09:28 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Let's say that the University were considering a replacement for Tubby.

And their choices were three guys who played college and NBA ball that had ok, but not stellar careers. They had a few years of middle school and high school coaching experience and some experience with AAU ball, but they had zero connection to the University of Memphis, the Memphis Grizzlies, the city of Memphis, or the Tennessee/Mississippi/Arkansas area. And they had no college or pro coaching experience at all.

Would they even be considered serious candidates at all? Or would we be talking about current college head coaches and assistant coaches as replacements?

If you're honest, you'd say they wouldn't be considered at all and we'd only be talking about current college head coaches and assistant coaches.

Don't let your love of a hometown hero overload your common sense. Hiring Penny is a bad move.

Yep.

(03-09-2018 09:28 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Let's say that the University were considering a replacement for Tubby.

And their choices were three guys who played college and NBA ball that had ok, but not stellar careers. They had a few years of middle school and high school coaching experience and some experience with AAU ball, but they had zero connection to the University of Memphis, the Memphis Grizzlies, the city of Memphis, or the Tennessee/Mississippi/Arkansas area. And they had no college or pro coaching experience at all.

Would they even be considered serious candidates at all? Or would we be talking about current college head coaches and assistant coaches as replacements?

If you're honest, you'd say they wouldn't be considered at all and we'd only be talking about current college head coaches and assistant coaches.

Don't let your love of a hometown hero overload your common sense. Hiring Penny is a bad move.

Could they bring 6 top 50 recruits over the next three years?

/Fin.

(03-09-2018 09:28 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Let's say that the University were considering a replacement for Tubby.

And their choices were three guys who played college and NBA ball that had ok, but not stellar careers. They had a few years of middle school and high school coaching experience and some experience with AAU ball, but they had zero connection to the University of Memphis, the Memphis Grizzlies, the city of Memphis, or the Tennessee/Mississippi/Arkansas area. And they had no college or pro coaching experience at all.

Would they even be considered serious candidates at all? Or would we be talking about current college head coaches and assistant coaches as replacements?

If you're honest, you'd say they wouldn't be considered at all and we'd only be talking about current college head coaches and assistant coaches.

Don't let your love of a hometown hero overload your common sense. Hiring Penny is a bad move.

You are 100% wrong. Hiring Penny is not a bad move, actually it’s a smart move, especially at this time. When Penny is hired please don’t flip when he has instant successes on the recruiting front. Stay off the Tigers/Penny bandwagon. Stay bitter and continue to *itch about Tubby being treated wrong.

Ok let's say the high school coach is gonna get 4 and 5 star players vs. tubbys staff recruiting d2 players who you going with then

(03-09-2018 09:36 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 09:28 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Let's say that the University were considering a replacement for Tubby.

And their choices were three guys who played college and NBA ball that had ok, but not stellar careers. They had a few years of middle school and high school coaching experience and some experience with AAU ball, but they had zero connection to the University of Memphis, the Memphis Grizzlies, the city of Memphis, or the Tennessee/Mississippi/Arkansas area. And they had no college or pro coaching experience at all.

Would they even be considered serious candidates at all? Or would we be talking about current college head coaches and assistant coaches as replacements?

If you're honest, you'd say they wouldn't be considered at all and we'd only be talking about current college head coaches and assistant coaches.

Don't let your love of a hometown hero overload your common sense. Hiring Penny is a bad move.

Could they bring 6 top 50 recruits over the next three years?

Oops, TOGC must have missed that.

I get the "bad move" narrative, but Penny's situation is different. He brings a lot to the table that no other candidate can. There's an upside and downside to every candidate. But Penny to the Tigers has felt inevitable for some time, so why not now?

This is the worst “hypothetical” situation ever because of course we wouldn’t

Part of the allure of Penny is his ability to connect with the city, the recruits locally, etc

Tubby has made almost 0 connection with the community and the “basketball circle”

It is more than wins and losses (which Tubby has been pretty mediocre at). It’s about PR, recruiting, fundraising, etc.

I am fully confident Penny will surpass Tubby with the on the court basketball product

And he will bring aspects to the program that we have been lacking for years

And more than anything. Penny is hope

(03-09-2018 09:28 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Let's say that the University were considering a replacement for Tubby.

And their choices were three guys who played college and NBA ball that had ok, but not stellar careers. They had a few years of middle school and high school coaching experience and some experience with AAU ball, but they had zero connection to the University of Memphis, the Memphis Grizzlies, the city of Memphis, or the Tennessee/Mississippi/Arkansas area. And they had no college or pro coaching experience at all.

Would they even be considered serious candidates at all? Or would we be talking about current college head coaches and assistant coaches as replacements?

If you're honest, you'd say they wouldn't be considered at all and we'd only be talking about current college head coaches and assistant coaches.

Don't let your love of a hometown hero overload your common sense. Hiring Penny is a bad move.

You and the other vocal Tubby Tuggers ought to form a jerk circle and enjoy a pack of smokes afterward. You all will feel a lot better, maybe even go out for a drink.

(03-09-2018 09:46 AM)stratecashomie Wrote:  This is the worst “hypothetical” situation ever because of course we wouldn’t

Part of the allure of Penny is his ability to connect with the city, the recruits locally, etc

Tubby has made almost 0 connection with the community and the “basketball circle”

It is more than wins and losses (which Tubby has been pretty mediocre at). It’s about PR, recruiting, fundraising, etc.

I am fully confident Penny will surpass Tubby with the on the court basketball product

And he will bring aspects to the program that we have been lacking for years

And more than anything. Penny is hope

I agree with this ^ and would add Penny will bring fans back to the Forum

Not one single valid response from the Tubby bashers. I thought so.

(03-09-2018 09:51 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Not one single valid response from the Tubby bashers. I thought so.

When he’s gone will you go with him?

(03-09-2018 09:51 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Not one single valid response from the Tubby bashers. I thought so.

posts #6, 8, 9

(03-09-2018 09:52 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 09:51 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Not one single valid response from the Tubby bashers. I thought so.

When he’s gone will you go with him?

No, I'll be back to remind all of you how you enthusiastically pushed the program into division 2 level basketball.

(03-09-2018 09:51 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Not one single valid response from the Tubby bashers. I thought so.

Valid responses --> Penny brings recruits
Tubby bashing --> didn't see anyone bashing Tubby. It's more of a pro-Penny thing now.

(03-09-2018 09:51 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Not one single valid response from the Tubby bashers. I thought so.

And you really expected a different response. Okay here is a valid response.

TUBBY ISN'T WORKING OUT. TIME TO GO.

(03-09-2018 09:54 AM)TOGC Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 09:52 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 09:51 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Not one single valid response from the Tubby bashers. I thought so.

When he’s gone will you go with him?

No, I'll be back to remind all of you how you enthusiastically pushed the program into division 2 level basketball.

When you’re wrong will you step up and admit it? A simple yes or no will do.

(03-09-2018 09:28 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Let's say that the University were considering a replacement for Tubby.

And their choices were three guys who played college and NBA ball that had ok, but not stellar careers. They had a few years of middle school and high school coaching experience and some experience with AAU ball, but they had zero connection to the University of Memphis, the Memphis Grizzlies, the city of Memphis, or the Tennessee/Mississippi/Arkansas area. And they had no college or pro coaching experience at all.

Would they even be considered serious candidates at all? Or would we be talking about current college head coaches and assistant coaches as replacements?

If you're honest, you'd say they wouldn't be considered at all and we'd only be talking about current college head coaches and assistant coaches.

Don't let your love of a hometown hero overload your common sense. Hiring Penny is a bad move.

The answer is no, "John Doe" would not be considered. But, we are not talking about John Doe, we are talking about Penny Hardaway - the ONE candidate who, next year, can immediately bring in players AND get ticket sales and donations up, period.

Yes this timing sucks and I NEVER thought Tubby was a fit in the first place. IF you can't get this done with Penny, I don't see another hire that gives you the pop in terms of instant $. If that is the case, you stick with Tubby and in that scenario, I guarantee we are exactly in this same place at this time next year as that situation with Ticket Sales and donations would be no better, it likely would get worse.

If you are running a business and the customer is not buying the product, what kind of business are you running?

(03-09-2018 09:51 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Not one single valid response from the Tubby bashers. I thought so.

I can't believe anyone is so close minded that they are fighting to keep Tubby and believe Hardaway is a bad idea. I just can't believe it, but there are a lot of things in this world that are beyond belief.

It was interesting going back and reading the pro and con Josh, pro and con Tubby stuff. Predictions are easy because hardly anyone goes back and holds the predictor accountable.

Josh was a stupid, desperate hire.

Tubby was a really solid hire on paper, but the reality of Tubby's statistics and actual body of work show him to be a fraud. But, the administration never bothered to look into his actual accomplishments.

Hardaway is a far better hire than either of our last 2. Local, alum, experienced, played at the highest level. Great local and recruiting connections. Wants MEMPHIS to do well, isn't just in it for himself. And he's one of us, he aint going no where.