(04-04-2018 07:20 PM)82hawk Wrote:  In the CAA you need a true renter that can defend in the post since there are some very good big men. Elmore and Cylla don't fit that bill.

No one on the current roster fits the bill when Cacok isn't on the floor. Better to try to fit a square peg into a round hole than not try to fill the hole at all, no?

If you want to get the best 5 on the floor that we can when Cacok needs a rest, this is the only way to do it. It has to be a better option than sending Kalina out there.

(04-04-2018 09:13 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 07:20 PM)82hawk Wrote:  In the CAA you need a true renter that can defend in the post since there are some very good big men. Elmore and Cylla don't fit that bill.

No one on the current roster fits the bill when Cacok isn't on the floor. Better to try to fit a square peg into a round hole than not try to fill the hole at all, no?

If you want to get the best 5 on the floor that we can when Cacok needs a rest, this is the only way to do it. It has to be a better option than sending Kalina out there.

I think Elmore could play the 5 in a small lineup, but I can't see Cylla there. Cylla is already playing small if he's a 4. I'm hopeful that a full offseason with Coach Wolf will help Kalina. He supposedly a beast in practice but it hasn't translated into an actual game yet. If he could give us 5-10 decent minutes a game next year, that would be huge.

Elmore will have a huge learning curve when it comes to playing defense as a 5 if he plays that. The first question I would have is his conditioning to run from baseline to baseline-he has not done that and bigs cannot beat on defense or it causes all kinds of problems. He also has never played in games against good competition and no practice can get you ready for game intensity. He played at Dixon HS against guys 4-6 inches shorter than him in just about every game so you can't take much from that. He can shoot but can he play? I sam him once in HS-not impressed.

(04-05-2018 10:41 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Elmore will have a huge learning curve when it comes to playing defense as a 5 if he plays that. The first question I would have is his conditioning to run from baseline to baseline-he has not done that and bigs cannot beat on defense or it causes all kinds of problems. He also has never played in games against good competition and no practice can get you ready for game intensity. He played at Dixon HS against guys 4-6 inches shorter than him in just about every game so you can't take much from that. He can shoot but can he play? I sam him once in HS-not impressed.

He played for Team Wall on the AAU circuit, so I wouldn't say he has never played against good competition. I will agree that much of his Dixon HS tape looks to be against far inferior competition. He had 15 offers out of high school, including the likes of Marshall, CofC, and UNC-Asheville, so I'm gonna stay optimistic about his abilities as a player. My biggest concern is how he'll bounce back from his injury. I know it was a knee injury but that's kind of a vague description. A knee injury, especially in a big is gonna be tough to come back from. If he can come back 100 % and Joe Wolf can coach him up, he should be a good contributor. Just not sold on him being a starter next year.

The key is he has had a year's work with Joe Wolfe, a good big man coach. We just have to wait and see how much he has really developed.

(04-05-2018 02:14 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  The key is he has had a year's work with Joe Wolfe, a good big man coach. We just have to wait and see how much he has really developed.

Found this: Elmore throwing one down on Dennis Smith Jr at the end of the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c65ApMCDPLc

Pretty Good podcast with C.B. McGrath from last week.

https://seanmohoops.com/2018/04/04/c-b-m...ilmington/

(04-09-2018 01:39 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  Pretty Good podcast with C.B. McGrath from last week.

https://seanmohoops.com/2018/04/04/c-b-m...ilmington/

Nice find. It was interesting to hear him say he had made a mistake by not focusing on defense more in practice early on..because he took it for granted that the players knew things that they actually did not know about playing defense.

(04-10-2018 06:26 AM)70shawk Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 01:39 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  Pretty Good podcast with C.B. McGrath from last week.

https://seanmohoops.com/2018/04/04/c-b-m...ilmington/

Nice find. It was interesting to hear him say he had made a mistake by not focusing on defense more in practice early on..because he took it for granted that the players knew things that they actually did not know about playing defense.

I thought so too. Also, I found it interesting to hear how he felt that he couldn't dedicate as much time as he wanted to recruiting. The staff really had there hands full this past year. I sure hope they can at least get these two guys they are going for now. He talked highly of Elmore, Toews, and Sims, so sounds like he has pretty good expectations for next year.

With the O'Connell Commitment I thought I would do an updated depth chart of sorts. As of now, we have two open scholarships, with one pending offer in Parker Braun. Our most important concern going into next season is PG Depth.

PG. Toews - Brown
SG. Taylor - Estime/Sims/Gary
SF.- Fornes - Estime/Sims/Gary - Etoroma
PF.- Cylla - O'Connell - (Braun)
C.- Cacok - Elmore - Kalina

(04-20-2018 09:25 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  With the O'Connell Commitment I thought I would do an updated depth chart of sorts. As of now, we have two open scholarships, with one pending offer in Parker Braun. Our most important concern going into next season is PG Depth.

PG. Toews - Brown
SG. Taylor - Estime/Sims/Gary
SF.- Fornes - Estime/Sims/Gary - Etoroma
PF.- Cylla - O'Connell - (Braun)
C.- Cacok - Elmore - Kalina

Elmore is not going to play center. He'll play at the 4.

(04-20-2018 12:33 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 09:25 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  With the O'Connell Commitment I thought I would do an updated depth chart of sorts. As of now, we have two open scholarships, with one pending offer in Parker Braun. Our most important concern going into next season is PG Depth.

PG. Toews - Brown
SG. Taylor - Estime/Sims/Gary
SF.- Fornes - Estime/Sims/Gary - Etoroma
PF.- Cylla - O'Connell - (Braun)
C.- Cacok - Elmore - Kalina

Elmore is not going to play center. He'll play at the 4.

^^Agree Elmore is a 4 all day long^^

I think he's going to see some time at the 5 this year. Not saying he won't play the 4 too, but at this point I think he's going to have to. Would you rather have Elmore at the backup 5 or Kalina? He's 6'8 250, I don't understand the assumption he won't play 5. Especially with the addition of O'Connell who is 6'8 210.

(04-20-2018 02:04 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  I think he's going to see some time at the 5 this year. Not saying he won't play the 4 too, but at this point I think he's going to have to. Would you rather have Elmore at the backup 5 or Kalina? He's 6'8 250, I don't understand the assumption he won't play 5. Especially with the addition of O'Connell who is 6'8 210.

Because nobody in the program is discussing him at the 5. His game is strong from deep, and he can hit jumpers from anywhere on the court. It would make no sense to have him defend centers who would force him into the post. It would also force him to rebound in the post on defense instead of getting out on the break for open 3's.

(04-20-2018 02:45 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 02:04 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  I think he's going to see some time at the 5 this year. Not saying he won't play the 4 too, but at this point I think he's going to have to. Would you rather have Elmore at the backup 5 or Kalina? He's 6'8 250, I don't understand the assumption he won't play 5. Especially with the addition of O'Connell who is 6'8 210.

Because nobody in the program is discussing him at the 5. His game is strong from deep, and he can hit jumpers from anywhere on the court. It would make no sense to have him defend centers who would force him into the post. It would also force him to rebound in the post on defense instead of getting out on the break for open 3's.

It will be interesting to see what his role will be, I think him and Cylla have the versatility to play multiple positions in our lineup. I like the fact that our lineup/rotation can actually be debated this season.

(04-20-2018 02:45 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 02:04 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  I think he's going to see some time at the 5 this year. Not saying he won't play the 4 too, but at this point I think he's going to have to. Would you rather have Elmore at the backup 5 or Kalina? He's 6'8 250, I don't understand the assumption he won't play 5. Especially with the addition of O'Connell who is 6'8 210.

Because nobody in the program is discussing him at the 5. His game is strong from deep, and he can hit jumpers from anywhere on the court. It would make no sense to have him defend centers who would force him into the post. It would also force him to rebound in the post on defense instead of getting out on the break for open 3's.

forcing someone to defend a post player has no bearing on that player being able to step outside and hit Jumpers on the other end. Craig Callahan did it all the time.

(04-20-2018 02:57 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 02:45 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 02:04 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  I think he's going to see some time at the 5 this year. Not saying he won't play the 4 too, but at this point I think he's going to have to. Would you rather have Elmore at the backup 5 or Kalina? He's 6'8 250, I don't understand the assumption he won't play 5. Especially with the addition of O'Connell who is 6'8 210.

Because nobody in the program is discussing him at the 5. His game is strong from deep, and he can hit jumpers from anywhere on the court. It would make no sense to have him defend centers who would force him into the post. It would also force him to rebound in the post on defense instead of getting out on the break for open 3's.

forcing someone to defend a post player has no bearing on that player being able to step outside and hit Jumpers on the other end. Craig Callahan did it all the time.

Also, if a big hits a 3 on a fast break it's usually going to be as a trailer. Whether he plays 4/5 he's going to have to defend and rebound in the post at certain points in a game.

(04-20-2018 02:57 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 02:45 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(04-20-2018 02:04 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  I think he's going to see some time at the 5 this year. Not saying he won't play the 4 too, but at this point I think he's going to have to. Would you rather have Elmore at the backup 5 or Kalina? He's 6'8 250, I don't understand the assumption he won't play 5. Especially with the addition of O'Connell who is 6'8 210.

Because nobody in the program is discussing him at the 5. His game is strong from deep, and he can hit jumpers from anywhere on the court. It would make no sense to have him defend centers who would force him into the post. It would also force him to rebound in the post on defense instead of getting out on the break for open 3's.

forcing someone to defend a post player has no bearing on that player being able to step outside and hit Jumpers on the other end. Craig Callahan did it all the time.

When you walk the ball up the court and score in the 50's, you're right. Elmore is expected to get out on the break as a trailer to hit 3's or get to the paint. If he defends in the post he's the guy making thee outlet pass instead of getting the pass.

Also, Elmore is nowhere near 250 lbs. He's probably around 225 at the most now.

(04-21-2018 08:34 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Also, Elmore is nowhere near 250 lbs. He's probably around 225 at the most now.

I haven't seen him lately, but the roster had him listed as 250. 225 would make more sense in the way you're talking about him being used.