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(03-16-2018 09:10 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So WTF do republicans stand for? Based on the last ten or twenty years or so, I don't have much of a clue. I know they hate abortion and they are okay with fighting endless no-win wars in the Middle East. And I know they are not for a balanced budget or fixing the clusterflock that is Obamacare. So who are they, and what do they stand for, except being "democrats lite," and why should I vote for them.

Being not as bad as the democrats is still bad. And that is not good enough.

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So what's the GOP's "Contract With America 2.0"?

Economy - The tax cuts were not seen as significant to the voters in PA18. One worker, who voted for Trump and then voted for Lamb admitted he did notice the higher after withholding pay, but then called it "lunch money". The problem is that these tax cuts are being largely spent on stock buybacks rather than on significantly higher wages and investment in job creating activities. The Trump administration keeps worrying about attacking free trade, when the REAL threat to the American worker in the next decade is going to be from the end of American retail, as it is all consolidated online.

Health Care - Polls have consistently shown that Obamacare's promise of means based health care is actually popular with more people than not. There ARE people who do like Obamacare going away, but they're a minority and they're already Trump voters.

Guns - Less than 3% of American households hold over 50% of guns in this country. 70% of American households do not have a gun in their home. I'm not sure a threat of "the Dems will take that AR-15 from the hands of the 18 year old kid living down the street" is going to be particularly effective either. And this is another issue where the Republicans have pretty much wrung every last vote they'll ever get on this issue. Again, its not enough.

Abortion - Americans do not, by and large, like abortion. That doesn't mean that people want it to be illegal. GOP overreaching in these cases, especially in the cases of rape and incest, are going to be fraught with a huge danger that it will repel one of the last true sets of swing voters in this country....White Women.

Women's Issues - The GOP operates, largely as a patriarchy. Everything is masculine (or at least a parody what is masculine). Even the women in the GOP largely act manly too. Theres a cultural disconnect that in the area of MeToo is going to work against them if they continue with it. What happened to soft issues like 'family leave'?

Immigration - The GOP has, again, wrenched pretty much every last vote out of that pool. All Trump is doing is repelling minority voters and those that don't like the idea of holding children hostage, expelling the DREAMERS, separating families of mixed immigration status, etc. In order to please his base, he's offending just about everyone else.

Foreign Policy - Americans don't like dictators. And they like to think that we should be proud of our government.

Other issues - Bathroom bills, RFRA bills, etc. aren't likely to move a single voter.

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The problem the GOP has is that if you hold the presidency, its the President that sets the agenda for your party. And Trump isn't going to have a contract with America 2.0 because he only can campaign to his base and he can't stay on message.
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(03-16-2018 09:10 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 09:02 AM)bullet Wrote:  Gingrich concerned.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/03/1...house.html

He--and republicans--should be. And Newt actually knows how to solve it. Just like he did in 1994. Put together a set of principles that republicans stand for, and hold every candidate's feet to the fire to run on them. Otherwise it just becomes a series of personality contests, and the media will do enough to see that democrats win most of those.

So WTF do republicans stand for? Based on the last ten or twenty years or so, I don't have much of a clue. I know they hate abortion and they are okay with fighting endless no-win wars in the Middle East. And I know they are not for a balanced budget or fixing the clusterflock that is Obamacare. So who are they, and what do they stand for, except being "democrats lite," and why should I vote for them?

Being not as bad as the democrats is still bad. And that is not good enough.

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you sir, yes sir!!!

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Well if Democrats run people like Lamb, it is tough. A moderate vet? Running people like him is why the Democrats have been pretty successful in Virginia in recent years. And there are fewer Republicans than Democrats. So overall, Republicans have to win more of the independents, not just split them.

But there aren't many like Lamb left in the Democratic Party. And people like Lamb and Manchin, enable the Pelosi's and Schumer's.
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(03-16-2018 12:46 PM)bullet Wrote:  Well if Democrats run people like Lamb, it is tough. A moderate vet? Running people like him is why the Democrats have been pretty successful in Virginia in recent years. And there are fewer Republicans than Democrats. So overall, Republicans have to win more of the independents, not just split them.

But there aren't many like Lamb left in the Democratic Party. And people like Lamb and Manchin, enable the Pelosi's and Schumer's.

no question.....

however, the onus either becomes are they a dippo or follow through with centrist agenda.....

this is where people are beginning to pay attention in focus....dem or con is nothing more than a tag at this point.....it's why DJT ran ® instead of (D).....ol' boy knew it like a few of us....

P18 needed to exit stage left....pardon the pun....
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(03-16-2018 12:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 12:46 PM)bullet Wrote:  Well if Democrats run people like Lamb, it is tough. A moderate vet? Running people like him is why the Democrats have been pretty successful in Virginia in recent years. And there are fewer Republicans than Democrats. So overall, Republicans have to win more of the independents, not just split them.

But there aren't many like Lamb left in the Democratic Party. And people like Lamb and Manchin, enable the Pelosi's and Schumer's.

no question.....

however, the onus either becomes are they a dippo or follow through with centrist agenda.....

this is where people are beginning to pay attention in focus....dem or con is nothing more than a tag at this point.....it's why DJT ran ® instead of (D).....ol' boy knew it like a few of us....

P18 needed to exit stage left....pardon the pun....

if trump forces democrats to become a version of republican lite to win, moderates dont give a shite. thats still winning. i dont care what letter they have by their name if they arent "progressive" filth.
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(03-16-2018 12:56 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 12:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 12:46 PM)bullet Wrote:  Well if Democrats run people like Lamb, it is tough. A moderate vet? Running people like him is why the Democrats have been pretty successful in Virginia in recent years. And there are fewer Republicans than Democrats. So overall, Republicans have to win more of the independents, not just split them.

But there aren't many like Lamb left in the Democratic Party. And people like Lamb and Manchin, enable the Pelosi's and Schumer's.

no question.....

however, the onus either becomes are they a dippo or follow through with centrist agenda.....

this is where people are beginning to pay attention in focus....dem or con is nothing more than a tag at this point.....it's why DJT ran ® instead of (D).....ol' boy knew it like a few of us....

P18 needed to exit stage left....pardon the pun....

if trump forces democrats to become a version of republican lite to win, moderates dont give a shite. thats still winning. i dont care what letter they have by their name if they arent "progressive" filth.

Lamb figured it out.....it's simply a matter if the rest do going into the midterms.....

it then simply becomes how they react relative to decision making....

you only get to play the shyster once unless you're in a gerrymandered low IQ district.....
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(03-16-2018 12:56 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 12:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 12:46 PM)bullet Wrote:  Well if Democrats run people like Lamb, it is tough. A moderate vet? Running people like him is why the Democrats have been pretty successful in Virginia in recent years. And there are fewer Republicans than Democrats. So overall, Republicans have to win more of the independents, not just split them.

But there aren't many like Lamb left in the Democratic Party. And people like Lamb and Manchin, enable the Pelosi's and Schumer's.

no question.....

however, the onus either becomes are they a dippo or follow through with centrist agenda.....

this is where people are beginning to pay attention in focus....dem or con is nothing more than a tag at this point.....it's why DJT ran ® instead of (D).....ol' boy knew it like a few of us....

P18 needed to exit stage left....pardon the pun....

if trump forces democrats to become a version of republican lite to win, moderates dont give a shite. thats still winning. i dont care what letter they have by their name if they arent "progressive" filth.

LOL. The voters in PA-18 know that while Lamb says he won't vote for Pelosi, that he will vote for someone equally left.
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(03-16-2018 01:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 12:56 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 12:50 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 12:46 PM)bullet Wrote:  Well if Democrats run people like Lamb, it is tough. A moderate vet? Running people like him is why the Democrats have been pretty successful in Virginia in recent years. And there are fewer Republicans than Democrats. So overall, Republicans have to win more of the independents, not just split them.

But there aren't many like Lamb left in the Democratic Party. And people like Lamb and Manchin, enable the Pelosi's and Schumer's.

no question.....

however, the onus either becomes are they a dippo or follow through with centrist agenda.....

this is where people are beginning to pay attention in focus....dem or con is nothing more than a tag at this point.....it's why DJT ran ® instead of (D).....ol' boy knew it like a few of us....

P18 needed to exit stage left....pardon the pun....

if trump forces democrats to become a version of republican lite to win, moderates dont give a shite. thats still winning. i dont care what letter they have by their name if they arent "progressive" filth.

LOL. The voters in PA-18 know that while Lamb says he won't vote for Pelosi, that he will vote for someone equally left.

oh my......based on your predictive track record, if's fair to 'ass'ume we'll take this with a.....

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I am more like Lamb on issues, but I am also have views of Social issues like Lincoln (ending slavery), FDR for pulling us out of the gutter, JFK being tough on Commies, Reagan who have a compassion for others, Teddy Roosevelt for his sportsmanship and creation of National Parks, and in some cases of Nixon (before his trouble) created the EPA department. I also support Sitting Bull's ideas about community like we are all in one big community to help each other out. Sitting Bull would give the shirt on his back to help others who have gone without. That means everybody have a roof over their head, food to eat, clothing to wear and health care for all.
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(03-16-2018 03:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I am more like Lamb on issues, but I am also have views of Social issues like Lincoln (ending slavery), FDR for pulling us out of the gutter, JFK being tough on Commies, Reagan who have a compassion for others, Teddy Roosevelt for his sportsmanship and creation of National Parks, and in some cases of Nixon (before his trouble) created the EPA department. I also support Sitting Bull's ideas about community like we are all in one big community to help each other out. Sitting Bull would give the shirt on his back to help others who have gone without. That means everybody have a roof over their head, food to eat, clothing to wear and health care for all.

the old noble savage myth. a staple of the racist left. sitting bull would run a herd of bison off a cliff and clean three if he was hungry. read real history
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Bill Clinton poster encourages Dems to center:

http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3789...the-center
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(03-18-2018 08:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  Bill Clinton poster encourages Dems to center:

http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3789...the-center

who'd a thunk it, eh????

this shite is easier than reading a cheap dime store novel......

dem sum biatches don't currently have any other out...

the question becomes, it that happens, do they follow through on those promises.....

I easily have my doubts based that some are elected solely based on urban center-nomics.....

I'm literally to the point that party affiliation and policy has become obsolete based on how this country has developed.....

we should now only focus on economics and preserve the value of the USD......

but that's just my simple mind churning.....

I couldn't care less about the bs other than it provides humor along the path to the end of the tunnel....

I'll let all the faceshiTTTers worry about all that bs.....
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(03-18-2018 08:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  Bill Clinton poster encourages Dems to center:

http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3789...the-center

If democrats did move to the center, I’d be fine with them. But the likes of Schumer and Pelosi aren’t going to tolerate much of that.

Hell, if republicans became democrats lite on gay rights and abortion instead of fiscal responsibility, I could support them.
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(03-18-2018 01:41 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-18-2018 08:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  Bill Clinton poster encourages Dems to center:

http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3789...the-center

If democrats did move to the center, I’d be fine with them. But the likes of Schumer and Pelosi aren’t going to tolerate much of that.

They will tolerate it during the campaign season...
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