(03-02-2018 03:15 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 02:55 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 04:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  No, I'm simply stating that results on the field/court shows who the first invites should have gone to, if you'd like to posit an explanation based on something other than the last five years results as to why Charlotte, FIU, UNT or UTSA were better picks than MT/WKU, be my guest.

I think it was more about trying to replace the departures with similar schools, and keeping the existing schools happy. Lose Houston, add UTSA. Lose SMU, add UNT. Lose UCF, add FIU. I don't know why MTSU wasn't the replacement for Memphis.

I think UTSA was a home run. Huge school, decent football, improving basketball, and lots of alumni in Houston. I have no beef with the Roadrunners.

I don't have "beef" with any members, but looking at the results so far, it's difficult to make an argument for anyone but MT/WKU deserving the first two invites.

How were the seasons in FB/BB for those schools for the years before the invites were extended?

(03-02-2018 03:19 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 10:48 PM)winston70 Wrote:  I'm not sure if either WKU or MTSU has a better winning percentage in CUSA FB or BB since each school joined than Tech does - either way we haven't won a FB championship yet and only a couple of men's BB reg season championships not the tourney so you maybe right

Just for kicks and giggles, I looked it up...

MT BB: 123-46, 68-19
LT BB: 118-51, 61-26

MT FB: 36-28, 26-14
LT FB: 38-28, 26-14

It is still very difficult for me to wrap my head around this year's tiebreaker for 12th place in men's basketball if Rice and UTEP end up tied at 5-13. Rice gets the tiebreaker because our possible Saturday win over UTSA would be a better win than the UTEP win over Louisiana Tech.

How times change.

(03-02-2018 03:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 03:15 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 02:55 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 04:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  No, I'm simply stating that results on the field/court shows who the first invites should have gone to, if you'd like to posit an explanation based on something other than the last five years results as to why Charlotte, FIU, UNT or UTSA were better picks than MT/WKU, be my guest.

I think it was more about trying to replace the departures with similar schools, and keeping the existing schools happy. Lose Houston, add UTSA. Lose SMU, add UNT. Lose UCF, add FIU. I don't know why MTSU wasn't the replacement for Memphis.

I think UTSA was a home run. Huge school, decent football, improving basketball, and lots of alumni in Houston. I have no beef with the Roadrunners.

I don't have "beef" with any members, but looking at the results so far, it's difficult to make an argument for anyone but MT/WKU deserving the first two invites.

How were the seasons in FB/BB for those schools for the years before the invites were extended?

A hell of a lot better than most of the schools that were invited.

Basketball was 52-15 in the two years preceding the move to C-USA. Last losing season was '07.

Though football experienced its worst season in three decades a couple of years before we finally came in, we were 8-4 the year before the move and just a few years removed from a 10-3 season.

(03-02-2018 03:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 03:15 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 02:55 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 04:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  No, I'm simply stating that results on the field/court shows who the first invites should have gone to, if you'd like to posit an explanation based on something other than the last five years results as to why Charlotte, FIU, UNT or UTSA were better picks than MT/WKU, be my guest.

I think it was more about trying to replace the departures with similar schools, and keeping the existing schools happy. Lose Houston, add UTSA. Lose SMU, add UNT. Lose UCF, add FIU. I don't know why MTSU wasn't the replacement for Memphis.

I think UTSA was a home run. Huge school, decent football, improving basketball, and lots of alumni in Houston. I have no beef with the Roadrunners.

I don't have "beef" with any members, but looking at the results so far, it's difficult to make an argument for anyone but MT/WKU deserving the first two invites.

How were the seasons in FB/BB for those schools for the years before the invites were extended?

We were the two best funded and best all around programs in the Sun Belt for years.

As to football and basketball specifically, I don't have the time to do that research at the moment, but considering ODU and Charlotte were football startups(and UTSA wasn't far removed from starting up) and FIU is rarely better than mediocre in either sport, I doubt very seriously anyone apart from La Tech stacks up.

Sun Belt "All Sports" Trophy winners (starting with MT joining the Belt):

2000-01: Middle Tennessee
2001-02: Western Kentucky
2002-03: Western Kentucky
2003-04: Middle Tennessee
2004-05: Middle Tennessee
2005-06: Western Kentucky
2006-07: Middle Tennessee
2007-08: Western Kentucky
2008-09: Middle Tennessee
2009-10: Middle Tennessee
2010-11: Middle Tennessee
2011-12: Middle Tennessee
2013: Middle Tennessee (MT to C-USA)
2013-14: Western Kentucky (WKU to C-USA)

Looks like South Alabama has taken over, as of late, winning the last 3.

(03-02-2018 03:19 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 10:48 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 10:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 10:22 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 04:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  That clearly MT/WKU should have beem the first two invites...

We should also be included in the 1st group for sure with ODU close behind us - FYI

Well sure, how large is the first "group"? All I said was MT/WKU should have been the first two. If the first "group" is larger than two, I agree Tech is next, I'd say the 3.0 additions would be a toss up between MT/WKU for 1/2, La Tech 3rd, but it's not even been a full five years yet and we have several programs with lots of potential.

I'm not sure if either WKU or MTSU has a better winning percentage in CUSA FB or BB since each school joined than Tech does - either way we haven't won a FB championship yet and only a couple of men's BB reg season championships not the tourney so you maybe right

Just for kicks and giggles, I looked it up...

MT BB: 123-46, 68-19
LT BB: 118-51, 61-26

MT FB: 36-28, 26-14
LT FB: 38-28, 26-14

Thanks we had a pretty good record in men's BB our first season in CUSA and had the #1 seed in the tourney but lost to Tulsa in the finals but our FB was not very good that year. I think you'll started in CUSA 1 year after us?

Same time I believe. Although we got the invite a year later we didn't do the lame duck thing in the Sun Belt, because Benson kept doing everything he could to screw us over so we just said F it and left early.

(03-01-2018 05:21 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 04:50 PM)MTowho Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 04:45 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  Still getting anxiety attacks about being picked last??? LOL

My point was MT got in BECAUSE CUSA makeup changed, not because the original group of presidents thought the invitees where bad. You are assuming that the group of presidents of CUSA at that time would have chosen differently.

My point was the CUSA leadership at the time were, like we all know now, not the best at predicting what was going to matter to the conference in the next 1, 2, 5, 10 years. Markets were stupid, especially when most of the market schools had not proven anything on playing field and the 'markets' were far flung, and most still have not been a positive impact on the conference when you sum up all of the contributions. But you know that was my point all along.

No new schools were added since MT joined, y'all knew where the conference boundaries were before signing on the dotted line. ODU can claim they were promised ECU and ended up with MT instead, y'all don't get to do that.

"MUTS, who are these?" ask Rice Owl FB fans

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(03-02-2018 03:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 03:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 03:15 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 02:55 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 04:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  No, I'm simply stating that results on the field/court shows who the first invites should have gone to, if you'd like to posit an explanation based on something other than the last five years results as to why Charlotte, FIU, UNT or UTSA were better picks than MT/WKU, be my guest.

I think it was more about trying to replace the departures with similar schools, and keeping the existing schools happy. Lose Houston, add UTSA. Lose SMU, add UNT. Lose UCF, add FIU. I don't know why MTSU wasn't the replacement for Memphis.

I think UTSA was a home run. Huge school, decent football, improving basketball, and lots of alumni in Houston. I have no beef with the Roadrunners.

I don't have "beef" with any members, but looking at the results so far, it's difficult to make an argument for anyone but MT/WKU deserving the first two invites.

How were the seasons in FB/BB for those schools for the years before the invites were extended?

We were the two best funded and best all around programs in the Sun Belt for years.

As to football and basketball specifically, I don't have the time to do that research at the moment, but considering ODU and Charlotte were football startups(and UTSA wasn't far removed from starting up) and FIU is rarely better than mediocre in either sport, I doubt very seriously anyone apart from La Tech stacks up.

I looked back a few years. MT's results were pretty ho hum before coming to CUSA especially in basketball. Congrats on your successes though. I for one am glad you're here.

(03-03-2018 12:23 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 03:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 03:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 03:15 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 02:55 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  I think it was more about trying to replace the departures with similar schools, and keeping the existing schools happy. Lose Houston, add UTSA. Lose SMU, add UNT. Lose UCF, add FIU. I don't know why MTSU wasn't the replacement for Memphis.

I think UTSA was a home run. Huge school, decent football, improving basketball, and lots of alumni in Houston. I have no beef with the Roadrunners.

I don't have "beef" with any members, but looking at the results so far, it's difficult to make an argument for anyone but MT/WKU deserving the first two invites.

How were the seasons in FB/BB for those schools for the years before the invites were extended?

We were the two best funded and best all around programs in the Sun Belt for years.

As to football and basketball specifically, I don't have the time to do that research at the moment, but considering ODU and Charlotte were football startups(and UTSA wasn't far removed from starting up) and FIU is rarely better than mediocre in either sport, I doubt very seriously anyone apart from La Tech stacks up.

I looked back a few years. MT's results were pretty ho hum before coming to CUSA especially in basketball. Congrats on your successes though. I for one am glad you're here.

Point is - aside from ODU's basketball at that time - who was doing better in either sport? Hell, some of you had barely begun playing football at that point.

I don't think any of you who didn't come from the Sun Belt have little appreciation for how hard it was to develop success out of the perception that was the Sun Belt. The Belt was far better off from a perception standpoint the day we left than it was the day we joined. It was hard. It was really hard. It affected everything. The perception of the league is still low but it's exponentially better now and what you guys and even the newbies in the league like App, Ga Southern, etc don't appreciate is schools like UNT, MT, Western, Ark State, etc., made that league somewhat respectable and able to survive after we left.

That's not to beat our chest. It's just to point out the immense obstacles that had to be overcome that most people have no clue about. The fact that any of us could win non-conference games back then is damn near a miracle. People just don't realize how hard it was to recruit and build from that league regardless of the sport (except maybe baseball).

The SBC was at the dead dog bottom at the time ThreeBL speaks about.It put a strain on budgets at the time to help improve things.Most G5 schools have been through a lot of work and we still fight the media.

Two examples: 1.The increasing use of the label P5 for basketball(which does not fit reality).

2. Ignorance and/or disrespect by media.Yesterday at the NFL combine a reporter referred to WKU QB Mike White(in a question to him) as an FCS quarterback.White corrected him and stated we are FBS.