(03-01-2018 10:14 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 10:13 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 09:39 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 09:19 AM)450bench Wrote:  Of course we should win and win comfortably. But, at least for me, I wouldn't call any opponent a "gimme" win. Not this year. Not even at home.
Betting on South Florida? Umm, no. But anything can happen and it wasn't long ago that we were sweating out home wins against teams that some here haven't even heard of.

I called them a cupcake. You guys brought up “gimme”. To which I say if someone views playing USF as “not a gimme” you’re saying they can beat us. To which I’m saying...they’re not going to beat us. They are garbage. Lets call a spade a spade. They suck. Their record is terrible. We aren’t losing to South Florida, come on.

I said "gimme" in post number 5 of this thread. I did not quote or reference you or anything you said in that post, which was my first in the thread. Furthermore, nobody said USF wasn't a bad basketball team and nobody said we shouldn't win.

Whatever

No sure what that means...

gimmie gimmie hey

(02-28-2018 09:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  There are no gimmes. Not this year, regardless of record.

Agreed...

We can lose this game...

We should win...But I am still not comfortable with this team without Martin on offense...We will defend better and give more effort but if they pack it in and we are chunking bricks it will get tight.

Christ. You clods will waste pages on anything.

South Florida IS a GIMME win.
We could lose.
If we do lose, our season is effectively over.
But this is still a GIMME win.
How we view this game as fans should not be indicative of how the coaching staff and players view this game, which is a different thing entirely.

Bam Bam BamBam BaBam Bam Bam

I wanna be sedated

The margin is now 13.5 points.

whoa

Well they do tend to lose by a lot of points.

Except when they don't.

(03-01-2018 09:20 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 08:13 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 07:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 06:22 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 09:48 PM)450bench Wrote:  There are no gimmes. Not this year, regardless of record.

Agree.

It is not a gimme, but it should be one. It starkly shows the state of the program in Tubby’s second year.

Yes, improving the win-loss record, best since 2013-14 season.

The win-loss record is only one of many metrics evaluating a team’s effectiveness. As you know, it is influenced by SOS and home games. The NCAA Selection Committee does not weigh it heavily for selection purposes and therefore I do not give it much weight either.

The most important metrics (but not the only one) to me indicating program success are earning an NCAA Tourney bid and number of NCAA Tourney victories. Do you agree?

After the season is over (as early as next week), the season post mortem may commence and we will evaluate the progress made (if any) since Tubby’s hire.

Yes, the win-loss record will be the best since 2013-2014, with no more than a 10 position swing in SOS over the entire 4 yr period - with the worst SOS during the period for the 2014-2015 (95) season. Imagine that & with JP as coach & loaded with top recruits during that 2014-2015 season. Sounds like Tubby & his recruits are improving the program.

Most everyone knows Tubby could take a lesser talented team and throttle a Pastner-coached team, then switch teams and throttle him again. That's not the issue. The issue is that the fools gold of Pastner being a great recruiter was just so cool to a lot of people. It was to me . . . until I saw with my own eyes how little that matters if you can't coach.

Whatever, this team has equaled or surpassed every single poster's expectations of them before the year began -- with the possible exception of Joe1! JK

(03-01-2018 02:07 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 09:20 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 08:13 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 07:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 06:22 AM)presskh Wrote:  Agree.

It is not a gimme, but it should be one. It starkly shows the state of the program in Tubby’s second year.

Yes, improving the win-loss record, best since 2013-14 season.

The win-loss record is only one of many metrics evaluating a team’s effectiveness. As you know, it is influenced by SOS and home games. The NCAA Selection Committee does not weigh it heavily for selection purposes and therefore I do not give it much weight either.

The most important metrics (but not the only one) to me indicating program success are earning an NCAA Tourney bid and number of NCAA Tourney victories. Do you agree?

After the season is over (as early as next week), the season post mortem may commence and we will evaluate the progress made (if any) since Tubby’s hire.

Yes, the win-loss record will be the best since 2013-2014, with no more than a 10 position swing in SOS over the entire 4 yr period - with the worst SOS during the period for the 2014-2015 (95) season. Imagine that & with JP as coach & loaded with top recruits during that 2014-2015 season. Sounds like Tubby & his recruits are improving the program.

We got two SOS anchors coming to our house in the next 2 games...Expect our SOS to drop at least 10 spots.

I think Tubby has the program as far as its ability to win at about the same level as Josh left it.

It is like it is opposite world though...

With Josh everyone felt that it didn't matter how many talented players he got he wasn't going to ever win at a high level.

With Tubby it seems that no matter how many talented players are around the program he aint gonna land any of them.

One coach has the same success with scraps as the other coach had with steak. The question is will Tubby do what it takes to get steak @ the Memphis table?

(03-01-2018 02:48 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Most everyone knows Tubby could take a lesser talented team and throttle a Pastner-coached team, then switch teams and throttle him again. That's not the issue. The issue is that the fools gold of Pastner being a great recruiter was just so cool to a lot of people. It was to me . . . until I saw with my own eyes how little that matters if you can't coach.

Whatever, this team has equaled or surpassed every single poster's expectations of them before the year began -- with the possible exception of Joe1! JK

Why thank you

(03-01-2018 02:48 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Most everyone knows Tubby could take a lesser talented team and throttle a Pastner-coached team, then switch teams and throttle him again. That's not the issue. The issue is that the fools gold of Pastner being a great recruiter was just so cool to a lot of people. It was to me . . . until I saw with my own eyes how little that matters if you can't coach.

Whatever, this team has equaled or surpassed every single poster's expectations of them before the year began -- with the possible exception of Joe1! JK

As I recall Tubby did just that while at MN playing a JP-led "talented" Memphis team.

(03-01-2018 02:51 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 02:07 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 09:20 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 08:13 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 07:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  It is not a gimme, but it should be one. It starkly shows the state of the program in Tubby’s second year.

Yes, improving the win-loss record, best since 2013-14 season.

The win-loss record is only one of many metrics evaluating a team’s effectiveness. As you know, it is influenced by SOS and home games. The NCAA Selection Committee does not weigh it heavily for selection purposes and therefore I do not give it much weight either.

The most important metrics (but not the only one) to me indicating program success are earning an NCAA Tourney bid and number of NCAA Tourney victories. Do you agree?

After the season is over (as early as next week), the season post mortem may commence and we will evaluate the progress made (if any) since Tubby’s hire.

Yes, the win-loss record will be the best since 2013-2014, with no more than a 10 position swing in SOS over the entire 4 yr period - with the worst SOS during the period for the 2014-2015 (95) season. Imagine that & with JP as coach & loaded with top recruits during that 2014-2015 season. Sounds like Tubby & his recruits are improving the program.

We got two SOS anchors coming to our house in the next 2 games...Expect our SOS to drop at least 10 spots.

Maybe, if only Memphis' schedule were involved in SOS. But everyone we have played, & their wins & losses will figure in too. Even so, the comparisons I have made since the 2014-15 season are apples to apples (except for JP's supposed talent advantage).

(03-01-2018 02:57 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 02:51 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 02:07 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 09:20 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 08:13 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Yes, improving the win-loss record, best since 2013-14 season.

The win-loss record is only one of many metrics evaluating a team’s effectiveness. As you know, it is influenced by SOS and home games. The NCAA Selection Committee does not weigh it heavily for selection purposes and therefore I do not give it much weight either.

The most important metrics (but not the only one) to me indicating program success are earning an NCAA Tourney bid and number of NCAA Tourney victories. Do you agree?

After the season is over (as early as next week), the season post mortem may commence and we will evaluate the progress made (if any) since Tubby’s hire.

Yes, the win-loss record will be the best since 2013-2014, with no more than a 10 position swing in SOS over the entire 4 yr period - with the worst SOS during the period for the 2014-2015 (95) season. Imagine that & with JP as coach & loaded with top recruits during that 2014-2015 season. Sounds like Tubby & his recruits are improving the program.

We got two SOS anchors coming to our house in the next 2 games...Expect our SOS to drop at least 10 spots.

Maybe, if only Memphis' schedule were involved in SOS. But everyone we have played, & their wins & losses will figure in too. Even so, the comparisons I have made since the 2014-15 season are apples to apples (except for JP's supposed talent advantage).

I agree wholeheartedly that Tubby has essentially held serve to what the last coach got fired for doing.

Next year should be an upward trend from here...The question is what does year 4 look like. I do not think a return to this years success is acceptable in year 4.

(03-01-2018 03:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 02:57 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 02:51 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 02:07 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 09:20 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The win-loss record is only one of many metrics evaluating a team’s effectiveness. As you know, it is influenced by SOS and home games. The NCAA Selection Committee does not weigh it heavily for selection purposes and therefore I do not give it much weight either.

The most important metrics (but not the only one) to me indicating program success are earning an NCAA Tourney bid and number of NCAA Tourney victories. Do you agree?

After the season is over (as early as next week), the season post mortem may commence and we will evaluate the progress made (if any) since Tubby’s hire.

Yes, the win-loss record will be the best since 2013-2014, with no more than a 10 position swing in SOS over the entire 4 yr period - with the worst SOS during the period for the 2014-2015 (95) season. Imagine that & with JP as coach & loaded with top recruits during that 2014-2015 season. Sounds like Tubby & his recruits are improving the program.

We got two SOS anchors coming to our house in the next 2 games...Expect our SOS to drop at least 10 spots.

Maybe, if only Memphis' schedule were involved in SOS. But everyone we have played, & their wins & losses will figure in too. Even so, the comparisons I have made since the 2014-15 season are apples to apples (except for JP's supposed talent advantage).

I agree wholeheartedly that Tubby has essentially held serve to what the last coach got fired for doing.

Next year should be an upward trend from here...The question is what does year 4 look like. I do not think a return to this years success is acceptable in year 4.

Don't disagree, but IMO Tubby won't be fired for a prospective yr 4 when he will likely have an improved yr 3 - probably a substantial step-up in wins (2-4+ additional over this yr). I'm only responding here to '83's implication, "It starkly shows the state of the program in Tubby’s second year.", as if in Tubby's tenure, the program has sunk below the last few JP years when Tubby will have better W/L with comparable (weak) schedules. After all, '83 never made such statements when JP couldn't win with supposed better talent & comparable schedules.

(03-01-2018 03:12 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 03:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 02:57 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 02:51 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 02:07 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Yes, the win-loss record will be the best since 2013-2014, with no more than a 10 position swing in SOS over the entire 4 yr period - with the worst SOS during the period for the 2014-2015 (95) season. Imagine that & with JP as coach & loaded with top recruits during that 2014-2015 season. Sounds like Tubby & his recruits are improving the program.

We got two SOS anchors coming to our house in the next 2 games...Expect our SOS to drop at least 10 spots.

Maybe, if only Memphis' schedule were involved in SOS. But everyone we have played, & their wins & losses will figure in too. Even so, the comparisons I have made since the 2014-15 season are apples to apples (except for JP's supposed talent advantage).

I agree wholeheartedly that Tubby has essentially held serve to what the last coach got fired for doing.

Next year should be an upward trend from here...The question is what does year 4 look like. I do not think a return to this years success is acceptable in year 4.

Don't disagree, but IMO Tubby won't be fired for a prospective yr 4 when he will likely have an improved yr 3 - probably a substantial step-up in wins (2-4+ additional over this yr). I'm only responding here to '83's implication, "It starkly shows the state of the program in Tubby’s second year.", as if in Tubby's tenure, the program has sunk below the last few JP years when Tubby will have better W/L with comparable (weak) schedules. After all, '83 never made such statements when JP couldn't win with supposed better talent & comparable schedules.

83 has an Axe to grind...I don't recall his attitude toward Josh but he is spreading his negative feelings about Tubby anywhere that someone will listen.

But he is right about one thing...Tubby needs to do better.

(03-01-2018 03:12 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Don't disagree, but IMO Tubby won't be fired for a prospective yr 4 when he will likely have an improved yr 3 - probably a substantial step-up in wins (2-4+ additional over this yr). I'm only responding here to '83's implication, "It starkly shows the state of the program in Tubby’s second year.", as if in Tubby's tenure, the program has sunk below the last few JP years when Tubby will have better W/L with comparable (weak) schedules. After all, '83 never made such statements when JP couldn't win with supposed better talent & comparable schedules.

Minus wins, every other metric indicates there is no improvement or it has gotten worse.

Period.

(03-01-2018 03:17 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 03:12 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Don't disagree, but IMO Tubby won't be fired for a prospective yr 4 when he will likely have an improved yr 3 - probably a substantial step-up in wins (2-4+ additional over this yr). I'm only responding here to '83's implication, "It starkly shows the state of the program in Tubby’s second year.", as if in Tubby's tenure, the program has sunk below the last few JP years when Tubby will have better W/L with comparable (weak) schedules. After all, '83 never made such statements when JP couldn't win with supposed better talent & comparable schedules.

Minus wins, every other metric indicates there is no improvement or it has gotten worse.

Period.

Is RPI a metric?

Why would you ignore that one.

Just keeping you honest. You are about as bad as some of our news organizations

(03-01-2018 03:17 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 03:12 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Don't disagree, but IMO Tubby won't be fired for a prospective yr 4 when he will likely have an improved yr 3 - probably a substantial step-up in wins (2-4+ additional over this yr). I'm only responding here to '83's implication, "It starkly shows the state of the program in Tubby’s second year.", as if in Tubby's tenure, the program has sunk below the last few JP years when Tubby will have better W/L with comparable (weak) schedules. After all, '83 never made such statements when JP couldn't win with supposed better talent & comparable schedules.

Minus wins, every other metric indicates there is no improvement or it has gotten worse.

Period.

But the point of playing is to win, right? I'll take wins, all day long over "other metrics", with one caveat, if Memphis doesn't reverse a trend that started several yrs ago under JP & begin to schedule better OOC, it will likely take a 2nd place in-conference finish & 22+ wins to be assured an NCAA bid (or a conference tourney title).

Last 5 years:

Year:(metric) RPI*/KP/SAG/BPI/SRS**
2017-18: 98/143/122/153/2.92
2016-17: 119/101/90/116/6.47
2015-16: 140/75/75/59/9.84
2014-15: 89/87/85/71/7.15
2013-14: 30/36/35/35/13.02

*according to Warrennolan.com
**metric in which 0 is the average team for that season