Quote:Hand Grenades and Gang Violence Rattle Sweden’s Middle Class

Weapons from a faraway, long-ago war are flowing into immigrant neighborhoods here, puncturing Swedes’ sense of confidence and security. The country’s murder rate remains low, by American standards, and violent crime is stable or dropping in many places. But gang-related assaults and shootings are becoming more frequent, and the number of neighborhoods categorized by the police as “marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity” is rising. Crime and immigration are certain to be key issues in September’s general election, alongside the traditional debates over education and health care.

Last year, Peter Springare, 61, a veteran police officer in Orebro, published a furious Facebook post saying violent crimes he was investigating were committed by immigrants from “Iraq, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, Somalia, Syria again, Somalia, unknown country, unknown country, Sweden.” It was shared more than 20,000 times; Mr. Springare has since been investigated twice by state prosecutors, once for inciting racial hatred, though neither resulted in charges.

Even President Trump weighed in on the issue, saying that after taking in “large numbers” of immigrants, Sweden was “having problems like they never thought possible.”

Police officials are more likely to attribute gang violence to a failure of integration, citing a recent study of a Swedish street gang that found 24 percent of its members were ethnic Swedes, and 42 percent had been born in Sweden.

But they, too, see an urgent problem.

Affixed to the wall in Mr. Appelgren’s office in Stockholm’s Police Headquarters is a chart showing the increase in the use of hand grenades. Until 2014 there were about a handful every year. In 2015, that number leapt: 45 grenades were seized by the police, and 10 others were detonated. The next year, 55 were seized and 35 detonated. A modest decrease occurred in 2017, when 39 were seized and 21 were detonated.

Mr. Appelgren has watched the trend apprehensively, calling it an arms race among gangs.

“I think we’re going to see, if we don’t stop it, more drive-by shootings with Kalashnikovs and hand grenades,” he said. “They throw rocks and bottles at our cars, and they trick us in an ambush. When will it happen that they ambush us with Kalashnikovs? It’s coming.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/03/world...nades.html

they simply followed this 'PETER principal'

#fknidiots

Oh!

Angela Merkel admits there ARE 'no-go' areas in Germany that 'nobody dares' to enter
Chancellor said there are parts of her country police and others fear going to
She argued a zero-tolerance approach to crime must not tolerate such areas
Her spokesman Steffen Seibert declined to name the specific locations today
He said Merkel's words speak for themselves, leaving some officials speechless
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...rmany.html

Well these no go zones exist not only in France, but they exist throughout Europe. They’re sort of amorphous, they’re not contiguous necessarily, but they’re sort of safe havens and they’re places where the governments like France, Britain, Sweden, Germany don’t exercise any sovereignty. So you basically have zones where Shariah courts were set up, where Muslim density is very intense, where the police don’t go in, and where it’s basically a separate country almost, a country within a countr

https://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp

Snopes said false

Snopes is all about the strawman. There are no-go zones (that's a fact), but does "sharia law prevail"? Probably not. Therefore they mash all that together, and claim it's all false.

Snopes is fake news.

With Snopes it's all how the question is phrased.

(03-04-2018 05:07 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Angela Merkel admits there ARE 'no-go' areas in Germany that 'nobody dares' to enter
Chancellor said there are parts of her country police and others fear going to
She argued a zero-tolerance approach to crime must not tolerate such areas
Her spokesman Steffen Seibert declined to name the specific locations today
He said Merkel's words speak for themselves, leaving some officials speechless
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...rmany.html

Well these no go zones exist not only in France, but they exist throughout Europe. They’re sort of amorphous, they’re not contiguous necessarily, but they’re sort of safe havens and they’re places where the governments like France, Britain, Sweden, Germany don’t exercise any sovereignty. So you basically have zones where Shariah courts were set up, where Muslim density is very intense, where the police don’t go in, and where it’s basically a separate country almost, a country within a countr

https://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp

Snopes said false

lmfao.......sounds like suburbia vs. urban centers.....

#FDRsgreatsocietyisaliveandthriving

The media-- left leaning or otherwise-- can't resist a good violent story to sensationalize.

While it may not be nothing, this article acknowledges that violent crime isn't really on the rise. So I'll take this hand wringing from afar with a grain of salt. Much like certain rags over here heavily report on every immigrant crime when the truth is immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than native born people. That doesn't end the debate, but skewing things intentionally only serves to muddy the waters and drive wedges.

(03-04-2018 06:27 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  The media-- left leaning or otherwise-- can't resist a good violent story to sensationalize.

While it may not be nothing, this article acknowledges that violent crime isn't really on the rise. So I'll take this hand wringing from afar with a grain of salt. Much like certain rags over here heavily report on every immigrant crime when the truth is immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than native born people. That doesn't end the debate, but skewing things intentionally only serves to muddy the waters and drive wedges.

XACLY!

they don't look at real solutions....that doesn't sell....

they prey upon tards.....that's what they do best....

they couldn't sell ad dollars if they didn't.....

(03-04-2018 06:43 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-04-2018 06:27 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  The media-- left leaning or otherwise-- can't resist a good violent story to sensationalize.

While it may not be nothing, this article acknowledges that violent crime isn't really on the rise. So I'll take this hand wringing from afar with a grain of salt. Much like certain rags over here heavily report on every immigrant crime when the truth is immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than native born people. That doesn't end the debate, but skewing things intentionally only serves to muddy the waters and drive wedges.

XACLY!

they don't look at real solutions....that doesn't sell....

they prey upon tards.....that's what they do best....

they couldn't sell ad dollars if they didn't.....

Same thing with mass shootings here.. the round the clock coverage only serves to make them more likely going forward.. and now people are scared to go in public despite the astronomically low odds they'll be involved in one.

(03-04-2018 06:47 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(03-04-2018 06:43 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-04-2018 06:27 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  The media-- left leaning or otherwise-- can't resist a good violent story to sensationalize.

While it may not be nothing, this article acknowledges that violent crime isn't really on the rise. So I'll take this hand wringing from afar with a grain of salt. Much like certain rags over here heavily report on every immigrant crime when the truth is immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than native born people. That doesn't end the debate, but skewing things intentionally only serves to muddy the waters and drive wedges.

XACLY!

they don't look at real solutions....that doesn't sell....

they prey upon tards.....that's what they do best....

they couldn't sell ad dollars if they didn't.....

Same thing with mass shootings here.. the round the clock coverage only serves to make them more likely going forward.. and now people are scared to go in public despite the astronomically low odds they'll be involved in one.

this is why I come to this board exclusively to figure out what the heyall is going on out in 'crazy land'.....I simply can't watch that horseshite....

I only do it for shites and gigs in the a.m or if some 'event' occurred.....it's downright fk'n annoying 24/7....it's like listening to someone with dementia that walks around in circles....

(03-04-2018 06:27 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  The media-- left leaning or otherwise-- can't resist a good violent story to sensationalize.

While it may not be nothing, this article acknowledges that violent crime isn't really on the rise. So I'll take this hand wringing from afar with a grain of salt. Much like certain rags over here heavily report on every immigrant crime when the truth is immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than native born people. That doesn't end the debate, but skewing things intentionally only serves to muddy the waters and drive wedges.

You might want to be careful with this comment. You are going to offend a certain poster who always post every time an illegal commits a crime.

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(03-04-2018 07:01 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(03-04-2018 06:27 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  The media-- left leaning or otherwise-- can't resist a good violent story to sensationalize.

While it may not be nothing, this article acknowledges that violent crime isn't really on the rise. So I'll take this hand wringing from afar with a grain of salt. Much like certain rags over here heavily report on every immigrant crime when the truth is immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than native born people. That doesn't end the debate, but skewing things intentionally only serves to muddy the waters and drive wedges.

You might want to be careful with this comment. You are going to offend a certain poster who always post every time an illegal commits a crime.

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it's too funny, eh???

it hasn't been difficult to figure out the ones that only due the daily(s) vs. those that have done the due.....

for me, it's basically become a release mechanism in varying forms at this point....

#internutzselfmedication

(03-04-2018 06:27 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  this article acknowledges that violent crime isn't really on the rise.

It doesn't say that. It says that their murder rate remains low compared to the USA (our numbers are skewed by democratic-controlled hellholes like Chicago, LA, Baltimore, St. Louis, Baltimore, and New Orleans), and that violent crime is stable or dropping "in many places" (intentionally vague, because the writer is trying to toe the line between covering the story and admitting that we all and Trump were right).

Violent crime in Sweden overall is on the rise.

Quote:So, has Sweden experienced an increase in violent crime? Well, Sweden’s official statistics do show increases in “lethal violence” (which includes murder, manslaughter and other deadly assaults) and sexual offenses over the past ten years. Between 2006 and 2015 the incidence of “lethal violence” does fluctuate, but there is a sharp 65 percent spike from 2012 to 2015. In the same period, there was also an almost 49 percent increase in sexual offenses (a category including, among other offenses, rape).

http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/01/yes-...migration/

Outrageous Muslim violence all over Europe and libs be like

I'll go ahead and use a right leaning outlet:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/02/s...mmigrants/


https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/02/s...-fox-news/

There is a debate to be had here, much of it having to do with how to integrate new people into economies that are losing low skilled jobs year to year. Spamming skewed infowars and Breitbart stories is about as intellectually dishonest as it gets.

(03-04-2018 07:59 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  I'll go ahead and use a right leaning outlet:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/02/s...mmigrants/


https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/02/s...-fox-news/

There is a debate to be had here, much of it having to do with how to integrate new people into economies that are losing low skilled jobs year to year. Spamming skewed infowars and Breitbart stories is about as intellectually dishonest as it gets.

see.....I'm an equal op arsehole.....rags = rags in my book....

I only view the macro side of what is the root....

in their case, it's no different than ours as I described above.....it's simply a different culture and set of laws....

tho only common factor is border control and ease of access....

this is where I draw the line in the sand when it comes to border control.....

open border and PC Rx bend-over suave is simply gay or stupid....

The point I see in all of this is that Americans take their freedom of speech for granted.

We are the only nation on Earth with real freedom of expression.

(03-05-2018 10:02 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The point I see in all of this is that Americans take their freedom of speech for granted.

We are the only nation on Earth with real freedom of expression.

Amen to that.