I don't actively root against Tubby nor the team. And I am happy that the team played inspired ball. And they looked happy doing it.

However, anybody can see that the program is in an overall downward trajectory.

Attendance: down, WAY down from 5 years ago and that is indisputable.

Recruiting: down, WAY down from 5 years ago and that is indisputable.

One can easily prove the declines in attendance and recruiting.

I can't 'prove' that the program has lost a lot of juice because that is fairly subjective. But from the objective #'s and the fact that we are not in on pretty much any big time local recruit, it suggests that the program has lost of lot of juice.

I was very happy last night with the win. I also was convinced PRIOR to the win that Tubby was here for another year. So, I thought 'enjoy it while it lasts.'

It will 10 years since our last S16. And the likelihood that it will be 12 years (since I am REALLY convinced that we won't sniff one next year and if we don't next year, we won't in 2020 since it will be a rebuild) is pretty darn high.

There is reason to enjoy last night's outcome, there is very good reason to be concerned about the state of the program. The two are not mutually exclusive.

In terms of 'we can't just do what Cal used to do, the NCAA is coming' is a pathetic excuse for Tubby's mediocrity.

Tony Bennett is killing it at UVA. Wisconsin is not good this year, but they've done extremely well without sacrificing 'moral character.' Wichita State is doing great as well. I don't think the NCAA is going to put down the hammer on those guys anytime soon.

(02-23-2018 09:43 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:42 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:32 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 08:29 AM)Hoots Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 03:36 AM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  It does hurt. Another year of underachieving. Maybe Tubby can win out and fool another school to come after him.

I'm curious about Tigers fans hoping we lose games so that Tubby leaves...do you not watch the games and pray for losses, or do you watch and hope we miss shots while the opponent makes theirs?

They are not Tiger fans.

Sure we are. In fact, we're bigger tiger fans than the rest of you. We see the big picture. We see the future of our beloved program is at stake. We don't live game to game and moral victory to moral victory. We see the big picture, and if all remains the same, it's going to get a lot worse.

'90, do you ever shut up?

Well, seeing as how I average about 1 post every day or two, I would assume so. In fact, you'll notice that those of us that actually "get it" when it comes to Tubby and our program, don't actually post a whole lot. But when we do, phew, blood floweth from all of your eyes. Mercy!

(02-23-2018 07:31 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:43 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:42 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:32 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 08:29 AM)Hoots Wrote:  I'm curious about Tigers fans hoping we lose games so that Tubby leaves...do you not watch the games and pray for losses, or do you watch and hope we miss shots while the opponent makes theirs?

They are not Tiger fans.

Sure we are. In fact, we're bigger tiger fans than the rest of you. We see the big picture. We see the future of our beloved program is at stake. We don't live game to game and moral victory to moral victory. We see the big picture, and if all remains the same, it's going to get a lot worse.

'90, do you ever shut up?

Well, seeing as how I average about 1 post every day or two, I would assume so. In fact, you'll notice that those of us that actually "get it" when it comes to Tubby and our program, don't actually post a whole lot. But when we do, phew, blood floweth from all of your eyes. Mercy!

3782 posts since January 2014. Four years*365 days/year = 1460 days.

3782 posts/1460 days = 2.59 posts/day.

Not quite sure I follow that math. Of course, there could be a trend where you have 3,000 posts in your first 2 years, followed by 782 in the last two years, which would be slightly greater than 1 post/day.

(02-23-2018 07:13 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:42 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:41 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 04:24 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 10:03 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Honestly, I think its the small picture you see and not the big one. If this program is built on the backs of payoffs and 1 & dones, then the program will be shuttered up. Yes, everyone else is doing it, but we aren't allowed to play that game... which is why Tubby isn't wasting his time recruiting kids with their hands out. Of course, that's the quick fix, but it ain't going to happen under Tubby. He's going to recruit a team of blue collar kids and hope the right 4-5 star is willing to come and compliment them. Maybe this is the long road, but we can't afford to do it the wrong way.

The anti Tubby crowd, of which I'm a member, has no problem with going the "blue collar" vs "blue chip" route if the majority of the players are freshmen, not JUCO mercenaries. By the time the JUCOs get acclimated (usually a year), they've burned half their eligibility. Educated Tiger fans see that, yes, the team will be better next year (provided everyone comes back) because they will have a full year together. The problem is that in a years time, the majority of these "experienced" players will be leaving and there is NOTHING coming in this year to take their spots. Unless this staff, with a penchant of whiffing on Top 150, talent lands 2-3 more freshmen, we will be in a 2-4 year cycle of JUCO hell. I would be a lot more tolerant of the moral victories and mediocrity if our rotation was comprised of mostly freshmen/sophomores, not JUCOs. That would be "building" a program the right way, not taking JUCOs and scheduling a slaw schedule to pile up worthless victories and win just enough to not get fired.

Yep, Tubby took our proud tradition of top recruiting and turned it into a haunt for Jucos. Oh, and by the way, Trayshon Burrell, Ricky Tarrant, Avery Woodson, and Kedren Johnson all say hey.

Will Coleman too

All program changers and all time Tiger greats. Thanks for proving my point.

Program changers? So, when did we switch from "I'd be happy with blue collar freshmen instead of Jucos" to "if they ain't world beaters, they ain't squat?" That's moving the goalposts a bit, don't you think?

I can think of two that I would call program changers we've had in the last 20 years. One of 'em got us to our last Sweet 16 and the other only officially played in two games and lost them both. If you're waiting around for the next #1 draft pick out of Memphis to be happy, you might have a long wait no matter who the coach is.

(02-23-2018 08:10 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 07:13 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:42 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:41 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 04:24 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  The anti Tubby crowd, of which I'm a member, has no problem with going the "blue collar" vs "blue chip" route if the majority of the players are freshmen, not JUCO mercenaries. By the time the JUCOs get acclimated (usually a year), they've burned half their eligibility. Educated Tiger fans see that, yes, the team will be better next year (provided everyone comes back) because they will have a full year together. The problem is that in a years time, the majority of these "experienced" players will be leaving and there is NOTHING coming in this year to take their spots. Unless this staff, with a penchant of whiffing on Top 150, talent lands 2-3 more freshmen, we will be in a 2-4 year cycle of JUCO hell. I would be a lot more tolerant of the moral victories and mediocrity if our rotation was comprised of mostly freshmen/sophomores, not JUCOs. That would be "building" a program the right way, not taking JUCOs and scheduling a slaw schedule to pile up worthless victories and win just enough to not get fired.

Yep, Tubby took our proud tradition of top recruiting and turned it into a haunt for Jucos. Oh, and by the way, Trayshon Burrell, Ricky Tarrant, Avery Woodson, and Kedren Johnson all say hey.

Will Coleman too

All program changers and all time Tiger greats. Thanks for proving my point.

Program changers? So, when did we switch from "I'd be happy with blue collar freshmen instead of Jucos" to "if they ain't world beaters, they ain't squat?" That's moving the goalposts a bit, don't you think?

I can think of two that I would call program changers we've had in the last 20 years. One of 'em got us to our last Sweet 16 and the other only officially played in two games and lost them both. If you're waiting around for the next #1 draft pick out of Memphis to be happy, you might have a long wait no matter who the coach is.

100%!

(02-23-2018 08:10 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 07:13 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:42 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:41 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 04:24 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  The anti Tubby crowd, of which I'm a member, has no problem with going the "blue collar" vs "blue chip" route if the majority of the players are freshmen, not JUCO mercenaries. By the time the JUCOs get acclimated (usually a year), they've burned half their eligibility. Educated Tiger fans see that, yes, the team will be better next year (provided everyone comes back) because they will have a full year together. The problem is that in a years time, the majority of these "experienced" players will be leaving and there is NOTHING coming in this year to take their spots. Unless this staff, with a penchant of whiffing on Top 150, talent lands 2-3 more freshmen, we will be in a 2-4 year cycle of JUCO hell. I would be a lot more tolerant of the moral victories and mediocrity if our rotation was comprised of mostly freshmen/sophomores, not JUCOs. That would be "building" a program the right way, not taking JUCOs and scheduling a slaw schedule to pile up worthless victories and win just enough to not get fired.

Yep, Tubby took our proud tradition of top recruiting and turned it into a haunt for Jucos. Oh, and by the way, Trayshon Burrell, Ricky Tarrant, Avery Woodson, and Kedren Johnson all say hey.

Will Coleman too

All program changers and all time Tiger greats. Thanks for proving my point.

Program changers? So, when did we switch from "I'd be happy with blue collar freshmen instead of Jucos" to "if they ain't world beaters, they ain't squat?" That's moving the goalposts a bit, don't you think?

I can think of two that I would call program changers we've had in the last 20 years. One of 'em got us to our last Sweet 16 and the other only officially played in two games and lost them both. If you're waiting around for the next #1 draft pick out of Memphis to be happy, you might have a long wait no matter who the coach is.

Not moving the goal posts. Just pointing out that JUCOs are complimentary pieces to building a winner, not the foundation. All the players you mentioned were decent additions to squads that were built around traditional recruiting- freshmen. None are players anyone will remember 20 years from now. Program changers aren’t only the Roses and Penny’s. I’d settle for a Baskerville, Doom, Andre , Burks, or Garner. The fact is, this the crappiest Memphis team in 40 years whose recruiting is lead by folks that can’t sign Top 150 recruits or local kids. If for some miracle, this staff does either this year, my hope will be restored.

(02-23-2018 08:10 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 07:13 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:42 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:41 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 04:24 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  The anti Tubby crowd, of which I'm a member, has no problem with going the "blue collar" vs "blue chip" route if the majority of the players are freshmen, not JUCO mercenaries. By the time the JUCOs get acclimated (usually a year), they've burned half their eligibility. Educated Tiger fans see that, yes, the team will be better next year (provided everyone comes back) because they will have a full year together. The problem is that in a years time, the majority of these "experienced" players will be leaving and there is NOTHING coming in this year to take their spots. Unless this staff, with a penchant of whiffing on Top 150, talent lands 2-3 more freshmen, we will be in a 2-4 year cycle of JUCO hell. I would be a lot more tolerant of the moral victories and mediocrity if our rotation was comprised of mostly freshmen/sophomores, not JUCOs. That would be "building" a program the right way, not taking JUCOs and scheduling a slaw schedule to pile up worthless victories and win just enough to not get fired.

Yep, Tubby took our proud tradition of top recruiting and turned it into a haunt for Jucos. Oh, and by the way, Trayshon Burrell, Ricky Tarrant, Avery Woodson, and Kedren Johnson all say hey.

Will Coleman too

All program changers and all time Tiger greats. Thanks for proving my point.

Program changers? So, when did we switch from "I'd be happy with blue collar freshmen instead of Jucos" to "if they ain't world beaters, they ain't squat?" That's moving the goalposts a bit, don't you think?

I can think of two that I would call program changers we've had in the last 20 years. One of 'em got us to our last Sweet 16 and the other only officially played in two games and lost them both. If you're waiting around for the next #1 draft pick out of Memphis to be happy, you might have a long wait no matter who the coach is.

Conveniently eliminated at least 3 by going back 20 instead of 25 years; other than DRose and Tyreke:

Kelley Wise (in top 10 leading scorers)
Dujaun Wagner-for sure 762 pts in one season
CDR- All American
Sean Banks-National Freshman of the year
Rodney Carney #3 scorer in school history
Omar Sneed averaged 18.5 PPG in two years here
Shawn Williams (?)

Any of those guys you could build a team around in today's game.

(02-23-2018 09:54 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 08:10 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 07:13 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:42 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:41 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Yep, Tubby took our proud tradition of top recruiting and turned it into a haunt for Jucos. Oh, and by the way, Trayshon Burrell, Ricky Tarrant, Avery Woodson, and Kedren Johnson all say hey.

Will Coleman too

All program changers and all time Tiger greats. Thanks for proving my point.

Program changers? So, when did we switch from "I'd be happy with blue collar freshmen instead of Jucos" to "if they ain't world beaters, they ain't squat?" That's moving the goalposts a bit, don't you think?

I can think of two that I would call program changers we've had in the last 20 years. One of 'em got us to our last Sweet 16 and the other only officially played in two games and lost them both. If you're waiting around for the next #1 draft pick out of Memphis to be happy, you might have a long wait no matter who the coach is.

Conveniently eliminated at least 3 by going back 20 instead of 25 years; other than DRose and Tyreke:

Kelley Wise (in top 10 leading scorers)
Dujaun Wagner-for sure 762 pts in one season
CDR- All American
Sean Banks-National Freshman of the year
Rodney Carney #3 scorer in school history
Omar Sneed averaged 18.5 PPG in two years here
Shawn Williams (?)

Any of those guys you could build a team around in today's game.

I'll tell you what -- you take Sean Banks, and I'll take any Juco on our team.

(02-23-2018 10:37 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:54 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 08:10 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 07:13 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 05:42 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Will Coleman too

All program changers and all time Tiger greats. Thanks for proving my point.

Program changers? So, when did we switch from "I'd be happy with blue collar freshmen instead of Jucos" to "if they ain't world beaters, they ain't squat?" That's moving the goalposts a bit, don't you think?

I can think of two that I would call program changers we've had in the last 20 years. One of 'em got us to our last Sweet 16 and the other only officially played in two games and lost them both. If you're waiting around for the next #1 draft pick out of Memphis to be happy, you might have a long wait no matter who the coach is.

Conveniently eliminated at least 3 by going back 20 instead of 25 years; other than DRose and Tyreke:

Kelley Wise (in top 10 leading scorers)
Dujaun Wagner-for sure 762 pts in one season
CDR- All American
Sean Banks-National Freshman of the year
Rodney Carney #3 scorer in school history
Omar Sneed averaged 18.5 PPG in two years here
Shawn Williams (?)

Any of those guys you could build a team around in today's game.

I'll tell you what -- you take Sean Banks, and I'll take any Juco on our team.

And do what exactly?

(02-23-2018 11:26 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 10:37 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:54 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 08:10 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 07:13 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  All program changers and all time Tiger greats. Thanks for proving my point.

Program changers? So, when did we switch from "I'd be happy with blue collar freshmen instead of Jucos" to "if they ain't world beaters, they ain't squat?" That's moving the goalposts a bit, don't you think?

I can think of two that I would call program changers we've had in the last 20 years. One of 'em got us to our last Sweet 16 and the other only officially played in two games and lost them both. If you're waiting around for the next #1 draft pick out of Memphis to be happy, you might have a long wait no matter who the coach is.

Conveniently eliminated at least 3 by going back 20 instead of 25 years; other than DRose and Tyreke:

Kelley Wise (in top 10 leading scorers)
Dujaun Wagner-for sure 762 pts in one season
CDR- All American
Sean Banks-National Freshman of the year
Rodney Carney #3 scorer in school history
Omar Sneed averaged 18.5 PPG in two years here
Shawn Williams (?)

Any of those guys you could build a team around in today's game.

I'll tell you what -- you take Sean Banks, and I'll take any Juco on our team.

And do what exactly?

Have a shot at a team

(02-23-2018 11:29 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 11:26 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 10:37 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:54 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 08:10 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Program changers? So, when did we switch from "I'd be happy with blue collar freshmen instead of Jucos" to "if they ain't world beaters, they ain't squat?" That's moving the goalposts a bit, don't you think?

I can think of two that I would call program changers we've had in the last 20 years. One of 'em got us to our last Sweet 16 and the other only officially played in two games and lost them both. If you're waiting around for the next #1 draft pick out of Memphis to be happy, you might have a long wait no matter who the coach is.

Conveniently eliminated at least 3 by going back 20 instead of 25 years; other than DRose and Tyreke:

Kelley Wise (in top 10 leading scorers)
Dujaun Wagner-for sure 762 pts in one season
CDR- All American
Sean Banks-National Freshman of the year
Rodney Carney #3 scorer in school history
Omar Sneed averaged 18.5 PPG in two years here
Shawn Williams (?)

Any of those guys you could build a team around in today's game.

I'll tell you what -- you take Sean Banks, and I'll take any Juco on our team.

And do what exactly?

Have a shot at a team

As in today or in their prime?

(02-23-2018 09:42 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:32 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 08:29 AM)Hoots Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 03:36 AM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  It does hurt. Another year of underachieving. Maybe Tubby can win out and fool another school to come after him.

I'm curious about Tigers fans hoping we lose games so that Tubby leaves...do you not watch the games and pray for losses, or do you watch and hope we miss shots while the opponent makes theirs?

They are not Tiger fans.

Sure we are. In fact, we're bigger tiger fans than the rest of you. We see the big picture. We see the future of our beloved program is at stake. We don't live game to game and moral victory to moral victory. We see the big picture, and if all remains the same, it's going to get a lot worse.

But you are just wrong. And you don't see the big picture at all. You derive everything from the last as long as it fits your rhetoric and when it doesn't you want to call it an outlier. Why does everyone talk about 2 seasons from know as if we are never going to get another player? It is just stupid. Enjoy the current successes, hope for future successes and root on your team!

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(02-23-2018 02:02 PM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 10:03 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:42 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:32 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 08:29 AM)Hoots Wrote:  I'm curious about Tigers fans hoping we lose games so that Tubby leaves...do you not watch the games and pray for losses, or do you watch and hope we miss shots while the opponent makes theirs?

They are not Tiger fans.

Sure we are. In fact, we're bigger tiger fans than the rest of you. We see the big picture. We see the future of our beloved program is at stake. We don't live game to game and moral victory to moral victory. We see the big picture, and if all remains the same, it's going to get a lot worse.

Honestly, I think its the small picture you see and not the big one. If this program is built on the backs of payoffs and 1 & dones, then the program will be shuttered up. Yes, everyone else is doing it, but we aren't allowed to play that game... which is why Tubby isn't wasting his time recruiting kids with their hands out. Of course, that's the quick fix, but it ain't going to happen under Tubby. He's going to recruit a team of blue collar kids and hope the right 4-5 star is willing to come and compliment them. Maybe this is the long road, but we can't afford to do it the wrong way.

You act like the pervious coach was a doing it the wrong way. You have to go back a decade ago to get into talks like that.

No you don't. Even the Lawson deal was wrong not because it was necessarily illegal but because there was no way Pastner was going to be able to handle that group. What's the point of having good players if you can't make a team out of them. People keep saying good players provide hope, but in that scenario there was no hope.

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(02-23-2018 03:02 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 10:03 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:42 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:32 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 08:29 AM)Hoots Wrote:  I'm curious about Tigers fans hoping we lose games so that Tubby leaves...do you not watch the games and pray for losses, or do you watch and hope we miss shots while the opponent makes theirs?

They are not Tiger fans.

Sure we are. In fact, we're bigger tiger fans than the rest of you. We see the big picture. We see the future of our beloved program is at stake. We don't live game to game and moral victory to moral victory. We see the big picture, and if all remains the same, it's going to get a lot worse.

Honestly, I think its the small picture you see and not the big one. If this program is built on the backs of payoffs and 1 & dones, then the program will be shuttered up. Yes, everyone else is doing it, but we aren't allowed to play that game... which is why Tubby isn't wasting his time recruiting kids with their hands out. Of course, that's the quick fix, but it ain't going to happen under Tubby. He's going to recruit a team of blue collar kids and hope the right 4-5 star is willing to come and compliment them. Maybe this is the long road, but we can't afford to do it the wrong way.

Crazy how all the good clean kids are JUCOs or outside the Top 600. Heck we are lucky if he even recruits a team at this point.

Recruiting will tick up here with time.

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(02-23-2018 04:24 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 10:03 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:42 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:32 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 08:29 AM)Hoots Wrote:  I'm curious about Tigers fans hoping we lose games so that Tubby leaves...do you not watch the games and pray for losses, or do you watch and hope we miss shots while the opponent makes theirs?

They are not Tiger fans.

Sure we are. In fact, we're bigger tiger fans than the rest of you. We see the big picture. We see the future of our beloved program is at stake. We don't live game to game and moral victory to moral victory. We see the big picture, and if all remains the same, it's going to get a lot worse.

Honestly, I think its the small picture you see and not the big one. If this program is built on the backs of payoffs and 1 & dones, then the program will be shuttered up. Yes, everyone else is doing it, but we aren't allowed to play that game... which is why Tubby isn't wasting his time recruiting kids with their hands out. Of course, that's the quick fix, but it ain't going to happen under Tubby. He's going to recruit a team of blue collar kids and hope the right 4-5 star is willing to come and compliment them. Maybe this is the long road, but we can't afford to do it the wrong way.

The anti Tubby crowd, of which I'm a member, has no problem with going the "blue collar" vs "blue chip" route if the majority of the players are freshmen, not JUCO mercenaries. By the time the JUCOs get acclimated (usually a year), they've burned half their eligibility. Educated Tiger fans see that, yes, the team will be better next year (provided everyone comes back) because they will have a full year together. The problem is that in a years time, the majority of these "experienced" players will be leaving and there is NOTHING coming in this year to take their spots. Unless this staff, with a penchant of whiffing on Top 150, talent lands 2-3 more freshmen, we will be in a 2-4 year cycle of JUCO hell. I would be a lot more tolerant of the moral victories and mediocrity if our rotation was comprised of mostly freshmen/sophomores, not JUCOs. That would be "building" a program the right way, not taking JUCOs and scheduling a slaw schedule to pile up worthless victories and win just enough to not get fired.

1 and dones have even less time than that. Good basketball programs are not on 4 year cycles anymore. Two to three years is a normal cycle now with grad transfers, other transfers, juco and one and dones.

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(02-23-2018 07:22 PM)ddramone Wrote:  I don't actively root against Tubby nor the team. And I am happy that the team played inspired ball. And they looked happy doing it.

However, anybody can see that the program is in an overall downward trajectory.

Attendance: down, WAY down from 5 years ago and that is indisputable.

Recruiting: down, WAY down from 5 years ago and that is indisputable.

One can easily prove the declines in attendance and recruiting.

I can't 'prove' that the program has lost a lot of juice because that is fairly subjective. But from the objective #'s and the fact that we are not in on pretty much any big time local recruit, it suggests that the program has lost of lot of juice.

I was very happy last night with the win. I also was convinced PRIOR to the win that Tubby was here for another year. So, I thought 'enjoy it while it lasts.'

It will 10 years since our last S16. And the likelihood that it will be 12 years (since I am REALLY convinced that we won't sniff one next year and if we don't next year, we won't in 2020 since it will be a rebuild) is pretty darn high.

There is reason to enjoy last night's outcome, there is very good reason to be concerned about the state of the program. The two are not mutually exclusive.

In terms of 'we can't just do what Cal used to do, the NCAA is coming' is a pathetic excuse for Tubby's mediocrity.

Tony Bennett is killing it at UVA. Wisconsin is not good this year, but they've done extremely well without sacrificing 'moral character.' Wichita State is doing great as well. I don't think the NCAA is going to put down the hammer on those guys anytime soon.

Actually, WSU has a guy on the FBI's spreadsheet.

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This team could use a Geron Johnson and Dedric Golden

(02-23-2018 09:42 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:32 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 08:29 AM)Hoots Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 03:36 AM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  It does hurt. Another year of underachieving. Maybe Tubby can win out and fool another school to come after him.

I'm curious about Tigers fans hoping we lose games so that Tubby leaves...do you not watch the games and pray for losses, or do you watch and hope we miss shots while the opponent makes theirs?

They are not Tiger fans.

Sure we are. In fact, we're bigger tiger fans than the rest of you.....

So....to be the best fan I can be I need to root for the other team. Got it.

GO UCONN!!

(02-22-2018 11:30 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  ...for some very jaded Tiger fans, Keelon Lawson and his boy Gary Parrish.

DAMN we really have some delusional fans on this board. Acting as if this game shows that the Tigers are suddenly a great team who will challenge for the title.

I seem to recall a game at ECU where the worst 3 point shooting team in the nation hit 11 of them and beat the Tigers. Did that suddenly make them a good team? No they lost three out of the next four.

Thornton had a game which he has not come close to matching at any other time this season and most likely will not see again any time soon.

We hit everything we threw up no matter from what angle. We statistically are not in a position to do that again. It was an anomaly not the norm. We could win out but we could also just as easily lose every game the rest of the way. Or somewhere in between.

We are still the same team with a lot of holes in it and now even more holes than normal.

(02-24-2018 09:02 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 03:02 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 10:03 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:42 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:32 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  They are not Tiger fans.

Sure we are. In fact, we're bigger tiger fans than the rest of you. We see the big picture. We see the future of our beloved program is at stake. We don't live game to game and moral victory to moral victory. We see the big picture, and if all remains the same, it's going to get a lot worse.

Honestly, I think its the small picture you see and not the big one. If this program is built on the backs of payoffs and 1 & dones, then the program will be shuttered up. Yes, everyone else is doing it, but we aren't allowed to play that game... which is why Tubby isn't wasting his time recruiting kids with their hands out. Of course, that's the quick fix, but it ain't going to happen under Tubby. He's going to recruit a team of blue collar kids and hope the right 4-5 star is willing to come and compliment them. Maybe this is the long road, but we can't afford to do it the wrong way.

Crazy how all the good clean kids are JUCOs or outside the Top 600. Heck we are lucky if he even recruits a team at this point.

Recruiting will tick up here with time.

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Trust the process?

Recruiting is not ticking up
And time is running out.