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RE: Charleston #2
I see Loewe as being more like Oliver Tot than Cohn. I won't be surprised if he never starts on a regular basis.
02-27-2018 09:00 AM
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RE: Charleston #2
Loewe is a completely different style guard than Cohn. It is waaaaaaay too premature to make declarations of what he will be. Did you see David play as a freshman at Colorado St? He had flashes, but he became far more than most anyone could imagine. Even David's jump from junior to senior year has been pronounced.

It's difficult as a freshman having to come in cold and keep up the production of an all-CAA and all-time great senior Tribe PG. You will see a more comfortable and confident Loewe next year. Will he be a difference maker? Too soon to tell.
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Loewe is a really good on ball defender. He is already solidly built and will just get stronger and he competes on the D end. A backcourt of Loewe and Audige would be really good defensively, and I think a lineup with Loewe, Audige, Pierce with Nathan rim protecting would have the possibility of being really strong defensively no matter who the 5th guys is.

While very different from David, I really think Luke is going to have a great Tribe career and bring a defensive toughness and attitude we have been missing. Luke is a natural leader too; it’ll be fun to watch him emerge as our freshmen next year adjust to college ball.

I think Blair will play the 4 mostly and take the Tot role in the front court rotation with Rowley next year.

I think Audige will primarily be on the wing as a forward who can bring the ball up if needed and has a chance to play early with his extra year at prep school and his defensive and finishing potential. Plus we have a log jam in the backcourt with Loewe, Williams, Owens, Milon, and Scott. The 2/3 position is almost interchangeable seemingly in our offense.

Shaver will have lots of different potential lineup combos (which can be good and bad) and Hope the chemistry comes together. Rowley is our primary leader next year. I think you’ll see Pierce’s leadership emerge and Loewe’s as well.

Would love to see us, like all of us, land 1 or 2 big men to round out this exciting class.

That said, let’s send these seniors out in a big way this year and let’s win the championship. David is gonna lead us this weekend and beyond hopefully.

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RE: Charleston #2
(02-27-2018 09:11 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  Loewe is a completely different style guard than Cohn. It is waaaaaaay too premature to make declarations of what he will be. Did you see David play as a freshman at Colorado St? He had flashes, but he became far more than most anyone could imagine. Even David's jump from junior to senior year has been pronounced.

The improvements that were made between the 16-17 & 17-18 seasons are absolutely astounding. The work that these guys (and the coaching staff) put in during the offseason is unreal. Knight's growth has been incredible, but Cohn/Burchfield/Pierce all took GIANT strides before the season too.

If this development continues for t 2018-19, Knight/Pierce/Milon could really be special these next two years.
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(02-27-2018 08:37 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 07:20 AM)Naptown Tribe Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 06:38 AM)BigTribe3 Wrote:  .
Scott can run the point and LJ Owens is a combo guard who can run the point if needed too.

Where does Audige fit? Is he more of a 2/3?

Audige is a combo guard as well. He is an exceptional ball handler and brings the ball up most of the time on his Hill School team. IMO, he will do better at the off guard, but is perfectly capable of initiating the offense at the point.

I think the real strength of this recruiting class is the versatility of the guards. They each have their strengths, but I think they are each capable and interchangeable in the 1-3 spots (I see Quinn more in the 3/4, but he too is an able ball handler and passer). All 4 share common Shaver characteristics- good ball handling, good shooters, good passers.

Scott is less of a scorer and more of a facilitator. He is a high level passer and ball handler. Not overly fast like Cohn, but his length allows him to get by defenders. Looks like a good shooter, though he tends to defer on his own shot in favor of others. I think he is a willing defender, but will have issues staying in front of guards at the college level.
Owens is a very talented all around player with a great feel for the game. Always seems under control. His biggest attribute is that he is a pure scorer. He is adept at getting to the rim, shooting from distance, and what impresses me most is his mid range game. He will have issues defending bigger physical guards that want to go to the hoop.
Audige probably the most well rounded of the combo guard trio. Very good ball handler and solid passer. He has a developing, and I think, underrated jump shot from the perimeter. His major strength is his explosiveness. He shows this going to the hoop and trying to dunk everything. He is also the most capable guard defender coming in.
Blair another jack of all trades- able ball handler, excellent passer, excellent shooter. Very crafty creating shots around the hoop. Excellent midrange shooter with a quick release. Plays mentally and physically tough. Good rebounder and defender from the small forward slot. Not overly fast, but more athletic than I give him credit for. I think he needs to drop 5-10 lbs of his football weight to be more effective on the perimeter.

Mr. J--I'm really excited about this recruiting class. Do any of these guys look like they'll be able to step right in and contribute minutes as freshmen? I'm afraid we'll really need contributions for 1 or 2 of them out of the gate.
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RE: Charleston #2
(02-27-2018 10:21 AM)tribetime10 Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 08:37 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 07:20 AM)Naptown Tribe Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 06:38 AM)BigTribe3 Wrote:  .
Scott can run the point and LJ Owens is a combo guard who can run the point if needed too.

Where does Audige fit? Is he more of a 2/3?

Audige is a combo guard as well. He is an exceptional ball handler and brings the ball up most of the time on his Hill School team. IMO, he will do better at the off guard, but is perfectly capable of initiating the offense at the point.

I think the real strength of this recruiting class is the versatility of the guards. They each have their strengths, but I think they are each capable and interchangeable in the 1-3 spots (I see Quinn more in the 3/4, but he too is an able ball handler and passer). All 4 share common Shaver characteristics- good ball handling, good shooters, good passers.

Scott is less of a scorer and more of a facilitator. He is a high level passer and ball handler. Not overly fast like Cohn, but his length allows him to get by defenders. Looks like a good shooter, though he tends to defer on his own shot in favor of others. I think he is a willing defender, but will have issues staying in front of guards at the college level.
Owens is a very talented all around player with a great feel for the game. Always seems under control. His biggest attribute is that he is a pure scorer. He is adept at getting to the rim, shooting from distance, and what impresses me most is his mid range game. He will have issues defending bigger physical guards that want to go to the hoop.
Audige probably the most well rounded of the combo guard trio. Very good ball handler and solid passer. He has a developing, and I think, underrated jump shot from the perimeter. His major strength is his explosiveness. He shows this going to the hoop and trying to dunk everything. He is also the most capable guard defender coming in.
Blair another jack of all trades- able ball handler, excellent passer, excellent shooter. Very crafty creating shots around the hoop. Excellent midrange shooter with a quick release. Plays mentally and physically tough. Good rebounder and defender from the small forward slot. Not overly fast, but more athletic than I give him credit for. I think he needs to drop 5-10 lbs of his football weight to be more effective on the perimeter.

Mr. J--I'm really excited about this recruiting class. Do any of these guys look like they'll be able to step right in and contribute minutes as freshmen? I'm afraid we'll really need contributions for 1 or 2 of them out of the gate.

Tony said in one of his radio shows that Scott has had a bit of a tough and frustrating year physically that has hampered his playing time. He did say, however, that none of the injuries will have a carryover effect into next season and that the staff was still really high on him.
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RE: Charleston #2
(02-27-2018 08:44 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  The biggest concern is that nobody has been able to press us in the last 3 years with the ball in David's hands. Remains to be seen how we handle that going forward.

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If we are bringing in multiple guards that are able to handle the ball, I would imagine it would be easier for us to break the press.

Cohn is really the only good ball handler (and maybe Tot to a lesser extent) on the court most of the time, which is why everybody else tried to get him the ball as soon as receiving the inbounds pass.
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RE: Charleston #2
(02-27-2018 10:21 AM)tribetime10 Wrote:  Mr. J--I'm really excited about this recruiting class. Do any of these guys look like they'll be able to step right in and contribute minutes as freshmen? I'm afraid we'll really need contributions for 1 or 2 of them out of the gate.
Apologies for this thread going off on a tangent. Also apologies for talking about next season at the start of this year's tournament.

Ready or not I believe all 4 freshman will be forced into action at one time or another. Let's look at the returning depth chart:
1- Loewe (Scott, Audige, Owens)

2- Milon, Williams (Owens, Audige, Scott)

3- Pierce, Williams, Blair

4- Rowley, Blair (additional recruit/transfer)

5- Knight, Rowley (additional recruit/transfer)

I'm assuming natural growth by Loewe & Williams. I think during preseason and OoC schedule the coaches will experiment with combinations hoping to find an effective 8 man rotation for conference play. The bulk of minutes will, obviously, go to Milon, Pierce, Rowley, & Knight. I have to believe Loewe is the next in line with a year in Shaver's offense under his belt. While I'm nervous not having that clear cut leader at the point in place, I'm fairly confident Loewe will do a decent job. I think things will slow down for Williams next season. It always felt like he was rushing and not comfortable in his spot duty. It is glaringly obvious looking at the depth that another big is an absolute necessity- even if it is a practice dummy that has 5 fouls.

With no Cohn stirring the drink, I foresee a big step back in offensive efficiency. It will be next to impossible to repeat what was done this season offensively. I do expect a more balanced effort defensively to help balance things out though.
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RE: Charleston #2
That lineup assumes a traditional two guard, two forward combination. I seem to recall that is the way we started this year; look at Rowley’s minutes in the first 3-4 games. He may have gotten hurt but from the ODU game on we have started a three guard lineup.

I am thinking Loewe takes the traditional PG role and the other probable starters are Knight, Pierce and Milon. The last position is a contest between our most effective remaining guard vs. our most effective remaining forward.
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Don't underestimate the value of the off season trip to Jamaica in the success. The last trip I believe was Omar's and Daniel's freshman year(2013-2014), I think. We all remember how that season finished out. No matter what happens in the next week, the improvement from Cohn, Burchfield, Knight and Pierce from last season was amazing. None of them were bad players before, but took significant steps forward in their play, their poise, and their foul shooting. Hope for special sendoff for David, Connor, Oliver, Jamison, Cole and the rest of the guys who battled all year.

Not ready yet to be excited about next season, still hoping for a run for this group.
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The offense has no center at all. It is all guards and forwards. The "point guard" on our team generally brings the ball up the court after a made shot, but anyone can bring it up. Anyone can start the offense also. Go look at the roster and you'll see what I mean. The traditional 4 and 5 slots are forwards in Tony's offense.
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I agree with you for the most part, but Shaver trusts senior leadership. I think Paul is a hustle guy, knows the offense well, and is a natural leader. He will most likely be the team captain. No one on here predicted Connor Burchfield's growth entering his senior year. Are we assuming Paul is done growing his game? Also, coincidentally, bigs are at a premium on this roster. There is little doubt in my mind that he starts.
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I'm taking my kool-aid jug to Charleston, expecting that the best shooting team in the 3 point era will overcome all with ball sharing, reduced turnovers and white hot shooting there along with a little help from their Jamaican chemistry.

It's crunch time and I hope to see you all in South Carolina for the big one.

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(02-27-2018 12:56 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  I agree with you for the most part, but Shaver trusts senior leadership. I think Paul is a hustle guy, knows the offense well, and is a natural leader. He will most likely be the team captain. No one on here predicted Connor Burchfield's growth entering his senior year. Are we assuming Paul is done growing his game? There is little doubt in my mind that he starts.

Although he is likely the team captain, I'd argue he won't start, because his value will be much higher as Nate's only backup. Unless we score another late grad student or recruit or transfer, we are going to be extremely thin on the front line, and we won't be able to afford having both Knight and Rowley on the floor at the same time.
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I think there is minimal chance we enter the season with Paul Rowley as Nate's only back up. That would be a disaster. Whether it is a grad transfer, juco, or hs kid is yet to be determined, I'm pretty sure there will be another big on the roster.
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(02-27-2018 10:16 AM)tribetime10 Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 09:11 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  Loewe is a completely different style guard than Cohn. It is waaaaaaay too premature to make declarations of what he will be. Did you see David play as a freshman at Colorado St? He had flashes, but he became far more than most anyone could imagine. Even David's jump from junior to senior year has been pronounced.

The improvements that were made between the 16-17 & 17-18 seasons are absolutely astounding. The work that these guys (and the coaching staff) put in during the offseason is unreal. Knight's growth has been incredible, but Cohn/Burchfield/Pierce all took GIANT strides before the season too.

If this development continues for t 2018-19, Knight/Pierce/Milon could really be special these next two years.

At some point it would be nice if this team could dedicate themselves to getting stops once in a while.
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(02-27-2018 02:13 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  I think there is minimal chance we enter the season with Paul Rowley as Nate's only back up. That would be a disaster. Whether it is a grad transfer, juco, or hs kid is yet to be determined, I'm pretty sure there will be another big on the roster.

Agreed, and that would also be about the only thing that could wipe the smile from Paul's face.
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