(02-22-2018 09:03 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 08:53 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I've been told on this board that the main goal is officer safety and for every cop to get home safely to their families that night. I get called a cop-hater when I disagree that that is the primary mission.

This time that stance seems more popular.



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No, your stance is that officers (and firefighters) should be willing to undertake suicidal actions simply because they are wearing a badge,

It's called taking calculated risks. This mutt chose to take no risk whatsoever and remain outside without determining if he could have taken action.

But not surprised that the guy who is our resident CSNBBS Police Expert got this wrong. You typically get anything discussed about law enforcement wrong.

You always tell me what my stance is. I am 100% sure that I know my stance better than you do.

And again, this guy got home safely to his family. Mission accomplished!

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Changed my mind, you guys are right, high school seniors should have easy access to semi auto rifles with high capacity magazines.

I would just prefer to stop hearing about how dangerous cops' jobs are when it is statistically untrue and they routinely avoid danger.

(02-22-2018 10:16 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  Changed my mind, you guys are right, high school seniors should have easy access to semi auto rifles with high capacity magazines.

/add new guy to list of Spin Room Second Amendment supporters.

Welcome!

(02-22-2018 08:54 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I don’t think the idea is so much that a teacher would be able to stop an incident in progress, but more that the threat of an armed teacher could deter an incident from starting. Net, it would almost certainly be a gain, but I would prefer a different approach.

I'm not going to look it up but my question is: Of all the shooters that have targeted No Guns Zones how many of them have fought back against others that were armed be it civilians or police? I know the one's in the Colorado shooting didn't. The one in Orlando didn't either. The church shooter didn't. This current one never fired at the police.

What I'm trying to say is that if these COWARDS felt/knew that someone they intended to shoot up was armed they wouldn't try anything. They are cowards. They say that Cruz was in ROTC and imagined being a Marine or something but he never intended to enlist. He is a COWARD and only targeted innocent unarmed individuals. Perhaps if that SRO had produced his weapon Cruz would have given up almost immediately. He didn't want to die, that's a fact because he didn't enlist and be sent to some place where they shot back.

If we eliminate NO Guns Zones perpetrators who have been proven to be COWARDS would not dare target these areas. That includes Malls because even the Mall Cops don't carry. Mall administrators think a Mall Cop with a radio is sufficient. How stupid.

(02-22-2018 10:16 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  Changed my mind, you guys are right, high school seniors should have easy access to semi auto rifles with high capacity magazines.

19 year olds can also drive, vote, join the army and even get abortions. Imagine that.

(02-22-2018 10:16 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  Changed my mind, you guys are right, high school seniors should have easy access to semi auto rifles with high capacity magazines.

He wasn't a HS senior, and yes if the school was armed by students it would have not not been attacked. Why can't you understand this?

(02-22-2018 10:12 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 09:03 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 08:53 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I've been told on this board that the main goal is officer safety and for every cop to get home safely to their families that night. I get called a cop-hater when I disagree that that is the primary mission.

This time that stance seems more popular.



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No, your stance is that officers (and firefighters) should be willing to undertake suicidal actions simply because they are wearing a badge,

It's called taking calculated risks. This mutt chose to take no risk whatsoever and remain outside without determining if he could have taken action.

But not surprised that the guy who is our resident CSNBBS Police Expert got this wrong. You typically get anything discussed about law enforcement wrong.

You always tell me what my stance is. I am 100% sure that I know my stance better than you do.

And again, this guy got home safely to his family. Mission accomplished!

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I can prove it.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-783634.html
Your stance is either be prepared to commit suicide or wrap yourself in bubble wrap. It's just as ignorant now as it was back then.

I see it from a trained, educated perspective. He didn't do any assessment of the situation beyond hiding. He violated established departmental procedures that he was trained in and aware of. Had he actually assessed the situation he'd probably still have a job. But considering the fact that he's "retiring" he took the resource officer position to coast to the finish instead of being out on the street. He's like I described......one of the sick, lame, and lazy.

(02-22-2018 10:16 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  Changed my mind, you guys are right, high school seniors should have easy access to semi auto rifles with high capacity magazines.

Well I see you're arguing with this guy.

(02-22-2018 10:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:12 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 09:03 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 08:53 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I've been told on this board that the main goal is officer safety and for every cop to get home safely to their families that night. I get called a cop-hater when I disagree that that is the primary mission.

This time that stance seems more popular.



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No, your stance is that officers (and firefighters) should be willing to undertake suicidal actions simply because they are wearing a badge,

It's called taking calculated risks. This mutt chose to take no risk whatsoever and remain outside without determining if he could have taken action.

But not surprised that the guy who is our resident CSNBBS Police Expert got this wrong. You typically get anything discussed about law enforcement wrong.

You always tell me what my stance is. I am 100% sure that I know my stance better than you do.

And again, this guy got home safely to his family. Mission accomplished!

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I can prove it.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-783634.html
Your stance is either be prepared to commit suicide or wrap yourself in bubble wrap. It's just as ignorant now as it was back then.

I see it from a trained, educated perspective. He didn't do any assessment of the situation beyond hiding. He violated established departmental procedures that he was trained in and aware of. Had he actually assessed the situation he'd probably still have a job. But considering the fact that he's "retiring" he took the resource officer position to coast to the finish instead of being out on the street. He's like I described......one of the sick, lame, and lazy.

Prove what? I said the same thing I'm saying now.

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(02-22-2018 10:16 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  Changed my mind, you guys are right, high school seniors should have easy access to semi auto rifles with high capacity magazines.

And the hyperbole continues. Let me guess, you majored in drama.

(02-22-2018 11:10 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:16 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  Changed my mind, you guys are right, high school seniors should have easy access to semi auto rifles with high capacity magazines.

Well I see you're arguing with this guy.

(02-22-2018 09:30 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  The answer to gun violence in schools is not more guns in schools.

Actually, it is. Ever had one of these mass shootings happen at police station or shooting range? They almost always happen at soft targets. If it happened at a shooting range or a police station it would last about 10 seconds.

Let me tell you what wont work---banning guns. We banned drugs---hows that working out? The War ON Drugs has been going on since the 1970's and we arent any closer to eradicating drugs than we were then. lol...weed is illegal in most states and most any high school kid can get weed easier than he can get beer....or a gun.

We had half a million armed US troops and another million S Vietnamese troops scouring a country a fraction of the size of the US and we couldn't eliminate illegal weapons there held by the VC. We saw the same thing play out in Iraq. There are 350 million guns in the US---if we couldnt effectively find and confiscate all the guns in Vietnam or Iraq, how the hell are we going to round up 360 million guns in the US? Eliminating guns is a pipe dream. Even if you can do it---and I dont think it can be done---it would probably take several decades to even begin to have an effect. Frankly, I think you'd end up with more deaths trying to confiscate guns than we would have if we just did nothing.

Can we just be logical and pragmatic. Lets solve the problem as cheaply as possible. The key is speed. The bottom line is these school shootings happen quick. The Parkland shooting began and was over in about 3 minutes. All 32 people shot at Columbine were wounded in the first 16 minutes of the attack. Average response time for a 911 call in the US is 7 minutes--thats an average---which means many response times are higher. Additionally, the first officer on site wont enter the scene without back up--so actual effective emergency intervention might very well take even more time. Concealed carry by trained teachers and administrators is about the only economically viable answer that could respond fast enough to matter....and it can be up and running within 6 months to a year. Eradicating guns---if that is even possible---would take decades.

So, my question is---"Do you want to do something to address the problem now----or do want to just whine about gun control and watch another mass murder in few months?" So far, the clock has been ticking since Columbine and nothing has been done.

We are taught to fight back with everything we can get our hands on. It’s called ALICE training. I’ve fashioned a spear out of a stick that I have when we used to pull down a projector screen and a scalpel. I’m going to move desks up to my door and leave enough space where I can shove that stick through like they did in 300 with the spears and shield. I don’t have abs like those Spartans but I plan to aim for the face why the kids flee out my windows.

https://www.alicetraining.com

Plenty of videos out there. Coffee cups. If people just throw things at the shooter you could save a life. We’ve had training since Sandy Hook. You don’t hunker down. Barricade entrances to your room and get students out through windows. Fashion weapons go for eyes.

Who knows how any of us will would act but I’m not hunkering down underneath a desk. I’m making tactical decisions to maim the mfer.

Chemistry teacher next to me has some very strong acid that he plans on throwing into the shooters face if his door opens. He has a belt that will only allow it to open about five inches. A face full of hydrochloric will slow you down.

So the solution to angst ridden semi-adults shooting up our kids at school is funneling more money to gun manufacturers, and more guns in the hands of people that are uncomfortable holding them. Problem solved. Nailed it on the first try. High fives all around.

(02-22-2018 09:30 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  The answer to gun violence in schools is not more guns in schools.

Well, of course not.

The answer would be NO guns actually IN schools. Why and who on earth would need to illegally carry in a classroom? No one.

Now that this silliness has been dismissed, what do we do when some coward shows up with a gun, knife, of hammer?

Lay low and hope it’s your classmate that gets popped instead of you? Yea, eff that.

(02-22-2018 10:16 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  Changed my mind, you guys are right, high school seniors should have easy access to semi auto rifles with high capacity magazines.

Said by no one, ever.

But, that aside, who should have protected these kids? Where were they?

The Texas Church shooter a few months ago, were they better served by letting that lunatic run off?

Or, perhaps it was better a well trained, NRA gun owner, and instructor, took him down?

Which would you prefer in that situation?

Ten minutes of bullets is a looooong asss time. Which would you pick?