(02-25-2018 10:25 PM)axeme Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 10:00 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 08:00 PM)axeme Wrote:  It might be helpful to your argument for you didn’t just make up numbers. You’re not really entitled to your own facts.

—There has been NO season in the last decade when KSU averaged under 10,000 per game.

—KSU, in fact, averages just under 14,000 over the last 10 years (13,888).

—In three of those seasons, KSU averaged at or over the MAC average. In three others, they were within 2-3K of the MAC average.

These are the NCAA’s records. http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statis...attendance

I’d like to see a link to where you are getting your numbers, but I have a feeling you just pull them out of your ass to try and bolster a lousy argument. What you think a school’s numbers are is really irrelevant.

I was referring to both EMU and Kent St. not just soley Kent St. EMU has had multiple seasons where they've averaged under 5k fans per game. And Kent St. has been a struggling program for ages. (38% win pct.) Yes they can be competitive from time to time but I just don't believe either schools are a good look for the conference, from a football standpoint.

No, in fact you responded to a KSU poster with, and I quote:
“You guys can’t even crack 10k fans. Stop”

If you want to use attendance as a basis, you’ll have to get rid of Akron who actually has seasons below 10K, and probably NIU as well as their attendance in the last few years has been about the same as Kent.
Your attendance assumptions are wrong, your knowledge of the media markets is wrong—there just isn’t much left of an argument built on a mountain of “wrong.” You just don’t like EMU and KSU and BSU, fine. Most people outside of Michigan couldn’t tell you the difference in West, East, or Central and don’t care to know. But so what? It’s the nature of the the MAC to be a conference of relatively small fan bases compared to the rest of FBS. The best crowd in the MAC is laughable to the rest of FBS. Thinking your school is superior because it gets a few thousand more fans than some other schools is really kind of pathetic.

BG@Toledo 30,000+

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlwB6mPGazU

So you're just talking about football,
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Correct
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But you said MBB and WBB just a few posts prior? So what is that you actually mean? Also if you are going to bring up win percentage you should bring it up in better context. Let's look at OOC schedules and see if that might play a part in the percentages being low...

2017
Kent- Clem (defending NC), Marsh, Howard, Louisville

2016
Kent- Penn St, NC A&T, Monmouth, Alabama (defending NC)

2015
Kent- Illinois, Del St, Minn, Marsh

2014
Kent- S Alabama, OSU (won NC), Virginia, Army

2013
Kent- Liberty, LSU, Penn St, S Alabama

That's 3 national championship teams in 4 years. I would say that OOC plays a big part of Kent not having a high win percentage.

(02-26-2018 10:59 AM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 10:33 AM)Fthechips Wrote:  

So you're just talking about football,

Correct
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But you said MBB and WBB just a few posts prior? So what is that you actually mean? Also if you are going to bring up win percentage you should bring it up in better context. Let's look at OOC schedules and see if that might play a part in the percentages being low...

2017
Kent- Clem (defending NC), Marsh, Howard, Louisville

2016
Kent- Penn St, NC A&T, Monmouth, Alabama (defending NC)

2015
Kent- Illinois, Del St, Minn, Marsh

2014
Kent- S Alabama, OSU (won NC), Virginia, Army

2013
Kent- Liberty, LSU, Penn St, S Alabama

That's 3 national championship teams in 4 years. I would say that OOC plays a big part of Kent not having a high win percentage.
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No, because they lost to a number of non I-A teams, teams with losing records...
Didn't really matter if it was Clemson, Alabama, S Alabama, NC A&T. 5-7 Illini, etc
Just playing games contributed to their low winning %.
New HC seems to have things heading in the right direction.

(02-25-2018 10:00 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 08:00 PM)axeme Wrote:  It might be helpful to your argument for you didn’t just make up numbers. You’re not really entitled to your own facts.

—There has been NO season in the last decade when KSU averaged under 10,000 per game.

—KSU, in fact, averages just under 14,000 over the last 10 years (13,888).

—In three of those seasons, KSU averaged at or over the MAC average. In three others, they were within 2-3K of the MAC average.

These are the NCAA’s records. http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statis...attendance

I’d like to see a link to where you are getting your numbers, but I have a feeling you just pull them out of your ass to try and bolster a lousy argument. What you think a school’s numbers are is really irrelevant.

I was referring to both EMU and Kent St. not just soley Kent St. EMU has had multiple seasons where they've averaged under 5k fans per game. And Kent St. has been a struggling program for ages. (38% win pct.) Yes they can be competitive from time to time but I just don't believe either schools are a good look for the conference, from a football standpoint.

Keep in mind EMU's reported attendance numbers are also bloated. They report 8100, yet on TV anyone can clearly see 1471 fans total in the stadium.

As I said before, we all have attendance woes now and then, but EMU is certainly the outlier in that category. It's an embarrassment to the conference when televised.

(02-26-2018 11:57 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 10:00 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 08:00 PM)axeme Wrote:  It might be helpful to your argument for you didn’t just make up numbers. You’re not really entitled to your own facts.

—There has been NO season in the last decade when KSU averaged under 10,000 per game.

—KSU, in fact, averages just under 14,000 over the last 10 years (13,888).

—In three of those seasons, KSU averaged at or over the MAC average. In three others, they were within 2-3K of the MAC average.

These are the NCAA’s records. http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statis...attendance

I’d like to see a link to where you are getting your numbers, but I have a feeling you just pull them out of your ass to try and bolster a lousy argument. What you think a school’s numbers are is really irrelevant.

I was referring to both EMU and Kent St. not just soley Kent St. EMU has had multiple seasons where they've averaged under 5k fans per game. And Kent St. has been a struggling program for ages. (38% win pct.) Yes they can be competitive from time to time but I just don't believe either schools are a good look for the conference, from a football standpoint.

Keep in mind EMU's reported attendance numbers are also bloated. They report 8100, yet on TV anyone can clearly see 1471 fans total in the stadium.

As I said before, we all have attendance woes now and then, but EMU is certainly the outlier in that category. It's an embarrassment to the conference when televised.

Every time Toledo plays at EMU, we have the entire "away" side to ourselves. Most years, we outdraw their fans at their home stadium. More than half of that side is covered entirely with tarp. It's just a weird atmosphere for Division I athletics...and it's been like this my entire life. You would think there would be some improvement, but they just can't seem to get it together ... The one side of Kent State's stadium looks like high school stands and the games they've had televised, there were maybe a hundred fans on the side the TV showcases. There needs to be some type of improvement in these areas if they want to remain in the MAC, imo. Football is everything. Nothing else really matters in the national perception (unless you're consistently really good in basketball). Football gets the league the most attention & respect by far.

Dear inductchuck16,
First of all, you do not outdraw our fans. Second, you must be very young, because the tarps have been there about ten years. Lastly, Eastern has improved their attendance in the last two years and will continue that improvement this year.

Dear NIUfilmaker,
You were able to count the exact number of fans for a game on television. Remarkable. In case you don't know, attendance many times is reported by tickets sold, rather then butts in the seat. I don't care if a company buys a large number of tickets, and they are no shows. It counts as attendance. Even the big schools do it.

I think it's funny that a conference that added UMass as a football school would complain that its permanent members are no good at football.

(02-26-2018 02:07 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear NIUfilmaker,
You were able to count the exact number of fans for a game on television. Remarkable. In case you don't know, attendance many times is reported by tickets sold, rather then butts in the seat. I don't care if a company buys a large number of tickets, and they are no shows. It counts as attendance. Even the big schools do it.

I'm sure you don't care, EMU homer.

Its not a secret that EMU's reported attendance and actual humans in the stadium are two extremely different numbers.

It's an embarrassment when your empty stadium is shown on TV with the MAC's logo painted on the field. Fake/corporate ticket-purchases in hand do not help.

A random large school posting attendance of 45k when the only had 39k in the stands is apples and oranges. People don't show up for EMU football games, its been that way for quite some time.

I wish EMU all the best, but FBS football might not be the right place for you. Again, I say this knowing that NIU and many other mid-majors are currently having their own attendance issues. EMU's on the other hand are longer running, and more severe with little hope of a permanent turn around.

Dear NIUfilmmaker,
You have continually bashed Eastern for the last few years, so, let's call a spade a spade. You don't like Eastern, so please no platitudes about wishing the best for Eastern. You and a few others on the Northern board, always bash Eastern. That's your prerogative, but like I have already said, knock off the pretense. Oh, I don't like Northern Illinois.

I’m glad the mods pay attention to this board. Once again another thread has turned into a pissing match

(02-26-2018 04:42 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear NIUfilmmaker,
You have continually bashed Eastern for the last few years, so, let's call a spade a spade. You don't like Eastern, so please no platitudes about wishing the best for Eastern. You and a few others on the Northern board, always bash Eastern. That's your prerogative, but like I have already said, knock off the pretense. Oh, I don't like Northern Illinois.

I truly do wish EMU the best, and also truly believe, with good reason, that they are a bad fit for an FBS conference.

Have a lovely day Ken.

(02-26-2018 02:19 PM)Block_E Wrote:  I think it's funny that a conference that added UMass as a football school would complain that its permanent members are no good at football.

UMass played EMU twice during its 4 years in the MAC:

2015 UMass 28 EMU 13
2014 UMass 36 EMU 14

(02-26-2018 07:06 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 02:19 PM)Block_E Wrote:  I think it's funny that a conference that added UMass as a football school would complain that its permanent members are no good at football.

UMass played EMU twice during its 4 years in the MAC:

2015 UMass 28 EMU 13
2014 UMass 36 EMU 14

So that makes UMass a good football school? Thanks for the history lesson, as always.

(02-26-2018 07:25 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 07:06 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 02:19 PM)Block_E Wrote:  I think it's funny that a conference that added UMass as a football school would complain that its permanent members are no good at football.

UMass played EMU twice during its 4 years in the MAC:

2015 UMass 28 EMU 13
2014 UMass 36 EMU 14

So that makes UMass a good football school? Thanks for the history lesson, as always.

Here's another.

http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Pro...erican.htm

(02-26-2018 04:27 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 02:07 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear NIUfilmaker,
You were able to count the exact number of fans for a game on television. Remarkable. In case you don't know, attendance many times is reported by tickets sold, rather then butts in the seat. I don't care if a company buys a large number of tickets, and they are no shows. It counts as attendance. Even the big schools do it.

I'm sure you don't care, EMU homer.

Its not a secret that EMU's reported attendance and actual humans in the stadium are two extremely different numbers.

It's an embarrassment when your empty stadium is shown on TV with the MAC's logo painted on the field. Fake/corporate ticket-purchases in hand do not help.

A random large school posting attendance of 45k when the only had 39k in the stands is apples and oranges. People don't show up for EMU football games, its been that way for quite some time.

I wish EMU all the best, but FBS football might not be the right place for you. Again, I say this knowing that NIU and many other mid-majors are currently having their own attendance issues. EMU's on the other hand are longer running, and more severe with little hope of a permanent turn around.

Music to my ears.

These eastern fans will absolutely refuse to admit that they have a struggling program.

(02-26-2018 08:02 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 07:25 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 07:06 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 02:19 PM)Block_E Wrote:  I think it's funny that a conference that added UMass as a football school would complain that its permanent members are no good at football.

UMass played EMU twice during its 4 years in the MAC:

2015 UMass 28 EMU 13
2014 UMass 36 EMU 14

So that makes UMass a good football school? Thanks for the history lesson, as always.

Here's another.

http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Pro...erican.htm

Miami has really had a diverse array of helmets, huh?

(02-26-2018 04:27 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  I'm sure you don't care, EMU homer.

Its not a secret that EMU's reported attendance and actual humans in the stadium are two extremely different numbers.

It's an embarrassment when your empty stadium is shown on TV with the MAC's logo painted on the field. Fake/corporate ticket-purchases in hand do not help.

A random large school posting attendance of 45k when the only had 39k in the stands is apples and oranges. People don't show up for EMU football games, its been that way for quite some time.

I wish EMU all the best, but FBS football might not be the right place for you. Again, I say this knowing that NIU and many other mid-majors are currently having their own attendance issues. EMU's on the other hand are longer running, and more severe with little hope of a permanent turn around.

Here's the press box side of a game at NIU in the 1st quarter this year. How many people are over there? 500? 800? Even fewer are on the opposite side.

But please, please tell us about how poor attendance is an EMU problem.

(02-25-2018 06:15 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 05:51 PM)Calsajacks Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 05:18 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 05:14 PM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 03:19 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  It’s not delusional to want to kick out a team that draws under 10k people for home games. The MAC wont do it but they certainly should.

It is when your school averages under 20k and doesnt lead the conference.

We average just under 20k. Eastern and Kent can hardly get 10k. Also, you have the worst record in college football history... soooo

I think Rutgers has the worst record all time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Div...ss_records

It still doesn’t prove your point that the team you want out of the Mac is the worst record team of all time, effthechimps.