(02-22-2018 01:28 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 01:21 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Hyperbole aside.... This... been arguing it for years. We talk about coaches who GET Rice, but even when they GET Rice, they don't seem to value it.

Even this whole "gets Rice" thing is way overblown. What is "gets Rice"... doesn't cheat? makes sure players graduate? I mean, those are base level requirements like wearing clean clothes and showing up to work on time. I don't get rewarded for things like this, not sure why at Rice it is such a big deal to achieve the base level requirements of being employable in the profession.

My understanding of "gets Rice" is that they don't cheat, graduate players, occupy space while creating the least amount of noise possible. It is a caretaker position.

This needs to change. Fast. Showing up to work on time and not getting caught cheating isn't impressive - We need to stop handing out gold stars for basic simple stuff.

My understanding of “gets Rice” is that they understand what Rice has to offer and use that to full advantage in recruiting and retaining outstanding athletes.

(02-22-2018 01:52 PM)ranfin Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 01:28 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 01:21 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Hyperbole aside.... This... been arguing it for years. We talk about coaches who GET Rice, but even when they GET Rice, they don't seem to value it.

Even this whole "gets Rice" thing is way overblown. What is "gets Rice"... doesn't cheat? makes sure players graduate? I mean, those are base level requirements like wearing clean clothes and showing up to work on time. I don't get rewarded for things like this, not sure why at Rice it is such a big deal to achieve the base level requirements of being employable in the profession.

My understanding of "gets Rice" is that they don't cheat, graduate players, occupy space while creating the least amount of noise possible. It is a caretaker position.

This needs to change. Fast. Showing up to work on time and not getting caught cheating isn't impressive - We need to stop handing out gold stars for basic simple stuff.

My understanding of “gets Rice” is that they understand what Rice has to offer and use that to full advantage in recruiting and retaining outstanding athletes.

Agreed. That makes sense.

However, if this is the definition, none of our coaches "get Rice" or have ever gotten it then, save for Graham.

(02-22-2018 02:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 01:52 PM)ranfin Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 01:28 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 01:21 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Hyperbole aside.... This... been arguing it for years. We talk about coaches who GET Rice, but even when they GET Rice, they don't seem to value it.

Even this whole "gets Rice" thing is way overblown. What is "gets Rice"... doesn't cheat? makes sure players graduate? I mean, those are base level requirements like wearing clean clothes and showing up to work on time. I don't get rewarded for things like this, not sure why at Rice it is such a big deal to achieve the base level requirements of being employable in the profession.

My understanding of "gets Rice" is that they don't cheat, graduate players, occupy space while creating the least amount of noise possible. It is a caretaker position.

This needs to change. Fast. Showing up to work on time and not getting caught cheating isn't impressive - We need to stop handing out gold stars for basic simple stuff.

My understanding of “gets Rice” is that they understand what Rice has to offer and use that to full advantage in recruiting and retaining outstanding athletes.

Agreed. That makes sense.

However, if this is the definition, none of our coaches "get Rice" or have ever gotten it then, save for Graham.

Seriously?

Brandi Ransom, who runs the 800 meters for the Rice Women's Track and Field team, just received a Knight-Hennessey Scholarship, which will allow her to pursue a Ph.D. in materials science and engineering at Stanford.

I'm not sure of the exact number, but I'm confident that this same track and field program averages producing at least one doctor per year, for at least the past two decades. And, this program, along with cross country, has been wildly successful in capturing conference championships and producing all-Americans.

(02-22-2018 02:47 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 02:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 01:52 PM)ranfin Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 01:28 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 01:21 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Hyperbole aside.... This... been arguing it for years. We talk about coaches who GET Rice, but even when they GET Rice, they don't seem to value it.

Even this whole "gets Rice" thing is way overblown. What is "gets Rice"... doesn't cheat? makes sure players graduate? I mean, those are base level requirements like wearing clean clothes and showing up to work on time. I don't get rewarded for things like this, not sure why at Rice it is such a big deal to achieve the base level requirements of being employable in the profession.

My understanding of "gets Rice" is that they don't cheat, graduate players, occupy space while creating the least amount of noise possible. It is a caretaker position.

This needs to change. Fast. Showing up to work on time and not getting caught cheating isn't impressive - We need to stop handing out gold stars for basic simple stuff.

My understanding of “gets Rice” is that they understand what Rice has to offer and use that to full advantage in recruiting and retaining outstanding athletes.

Agreed. That makes sense.

However, if this is the definition, none of our coaches "get Rice" or have ever gotten it then, save for Graham.

Seriously?

Brandi Ransom, who runs the 800 meters for the Rice Women's Track and Field team, just received a Knight-Hennessey Scholarship, which will allow her to pursue a Ph.D. in materials science and engineering at Stanford.

I'm not sure of the exact number, but I'm confident that this same track and field program averages producing at least one doctor per year, for at least the past two decades. And, this program, along with cross country, has been wildly successful in capturing conference championships and producing all-Americans.

I'm referring to the major revenue sports only. My apologies- wasn't clear on that front.

(02-22-2018 10:28 AM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  UTSA and UNT are good examples here. Their new coaches got them competitive immediately, flirting with or achieving bowl eligibility. Then they went 9-5 (UNT) and 6-5 (UTSA) in year 2. Incrementally working their way up.

As is F_U. Both teams were awful the year before and turned it around rapidly.

FAU was 3-9 in 2016 and 11-3 in 2017 (8-0 in CUSA). Yes Kiffin brought in some JUCOs and yes FAU has far less restrictions than we do, but a 8 game improvement and going undefeated in CUSA cannot be solely attributed to JUCOs and transfers. It isn't reasonable to expect us in year 1 to go to LSU and beat them. I do not think it is unreasonable to win 5 CUSA games though.

(02-22-2018 02:47 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 02:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 01:52 PM)ranfin Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 01:28 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 01:21 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Hyperbole aside.... This... been arguing it for years. We talk about coaches who GET Rice, but even when they GET Rice, they don't seem to value it.

Even this whole "gets Rice" thing is way overblown. What is "gets Rice"... doesn't cheat? makes sure players graduate? I mean, those are base level requirements like wearing clean clothes and showing up to work on time. I don't get rewarded for things like this, not sure why at Rice it is such a big deal to achieve the base level requirements of being employable in the profession.

My understanding of "gets Rice" is that they don't cheat, graduate players, occupy space while creating the least amount of noise possible. It is a caretaker position.

This needs to change. Fast. Showing up to work on time and not getting caught cheating isn't impressive - We need to stop handing out gold stars for basic simple stuff.

My understanding of “gets Rice” is that they understand what Rice has to offer and use that to full advantage in recruiting and retaining outstanding athletes.

Agreed. That makes sense.

However, if this is the definition, none of our coaches "get Rice" or have ever gotten it then, save for Graham.

Seriously?

Brandi Ransom, who runs the 800 meters for the Rice Women's Track and Field team, just received a Knight-Hennessey Scholarship, which will allow her to pursue a Ph.D. in materials science and engineering at Stanford.

I'm not sure of the exact number, but I'm confident that this same track and field program averages producing at least one doctor per year, for at least the past two decades. And, this program, along with cross country, has been wildly successful in capturing conference championships and producing all-Americans.

OK, so we’re up to TWO (baseball and women’s track/XC) programs that have CONSISTENTLY produced both athletes and students that meet the Rice standard of excellence (though baseball isn’t routinely pumping people into top flight PhD programs).

That’s out, of what, 14 teams?

(02-22-2018 03:40 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:28 AM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  UTSA and UNT are good examples here. Their new coaches got them competitive immediately, flirting with or achieving bowl eligibility. Then they went 9-5 (UNT) and 6-5 (UTSA) in year 2. Incrementally working their way up.

As is F_U. Both teams were awful the year before and turned it around rapidly.

FAU was 3-9 in 2016 and 11-3 in 2017 (8-0 in CUSA). Yes Kiffin brought in some JUCOs and yes FAU has far less restrictions than we do, but a 8 game improvement and going undefeated in CUSA cannot be solely attributed to JUCOs and transfers.

It isn't reasonable to expect us in year 1 to go to LSU and beat them. I do not think it is unreasonable to win 5 CUSA games though.

He not only brought in some JUCOs, he brought in multiple players who had been kicked out of P5 programs (and has brought even more in this year). They have zero academic restrictions there. I highly doubt that we are going to be able to improve as quickly.

(02-22-2018 01:52 PM)ranfin Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 01:28 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 01:21 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Hyperbole aside.... This... been arguing it for years. We talk about coaches who GET Rice, but even when they GET Rice, they don't seem to value it.

Even this whole "gets Rice" thing is way overblown. What is "gets Rice"... doesn't cheat? makes sure players graduate? I mean, those are base level requirements like wearing clean clothes and showing up to work on time. I don't get rewarded for things like this, not sure why at Rice it is such a big deal to achieve the base level requirements of being employable in the profession.

My understanding of "gets Rice" is that they don't cheat, graduate players, occupy space while creating the least amount of noise possible. It is a caretaker position.

This needs to change. Fast. Showing up to work on time and not getting caught cheating isn't impressive - We need to stop handing out gold stars for basic simple stuff.

My understanding of “gets Rice” is that they understand what Rice has to offer and use that to full advantage in recruiting and retaining outstanding athletes.

My understanding of “getting Rice” is that they understand that more of our athletes care more about academics than at most other schools and that Rice wants them to succeed in both areas.

(02-22-2018 03:42 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:40 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:28 AM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  UTSA and UNT are good examples here. Their new coaches got them competitive immediately, flirting with or achieving bowl eligibility. Then they went 9-5 (UNT) and 6-5 (UTSA) in year 2. Incrementally working their way up.

As is F_U. Both teams were awful the year before and turned it around rapidly.

FAU was 3-9 in 2016 and 11-3 in 2017 (8-0 in CUSA). Yes Kiffin brought in some JUCOs and yes FAU has far less restrictions than we do, but a 8 game improvement and going undefeated in CUSA cannot be solely attributed to JUCOs and transfers.

It isn't reasonable to expect us in year 1 to go to LSU and beat them. I do not think it is unreasonable to win 5 CUSA games though.

He not only brought in some JUCOs, he brought in multiple players who had been kicked out of P5 programs (and has brought even more in this year). They have zero academic restrictions there. I highly doubt that we are going to be able to improve as quickly.

Because it apparently bears repeating, I'll interject that there's no moral high ground when it comes to JUCO's. Rice can and does recruit JUCO's and there's nothing wrong with that.

(02-22-2018 03:46 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:42 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:40 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:28 AM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  UTSA and UNT are good examples here. Their new coaches got them competitive immediately, flirting with or achieving bowl eligibility. Then they went 9-5 (UNT) and 6-5 (UTSA) in year 2. Incrementally working their way up.

As is F_U. Both teams were awful the year before and turned it around rapidly.

FAU was 3-9 in 2016 and 11-3 in 2017 (8-0 in CUSA). Yes Kiffin brought in some JUCOs and yes FAU has far less restrictions than we do, but a 8 game improvement and going undefeated in CUSA cannot be solely attributed to JUCOs and transfers.

It isn't reasonable to expect us in year 1 to go to LSU and beat them. I do not think it is unreasonable to win 5 CUSA games though.

He not only brought in some JUCOs, he brought in multiple players who had been kicked out of P5 programs (and has brought even more in this year). They have zero academic restrictions there. I highly doubt that we are going to be able to improve as quickly.

Because it apparently bears repeating, I'll interject that there's no moral high ground when it comes to JUCO's. Rice can and does recruit JUCO's and there's nothing wrong with that.

This.

Also, yes I agree that FAU has advantages we don't. They can pick up people we cannot. So fine, maybe we don't go from 1-7 in CUSA to 8-0 instantly. But is it unreasonable to expect us to go 4-4 when we get to play ODU, UAB, UTEP and UTSA at HOME? Throw in PVaTm and that could be 5 wins right there for the season.

And IMO, if we play disciplined ball and commit the lowest number of penalties in CUSA, we should beat UTEP, ODU, PVaTm for sure and have a solid shot at UTSA, UAB, Hawaii, LaTech and USM. UNT and FIU may be tough, if they continue to improve. UH, WF and LSU, we probably lose.

Also of note, FAU plays Air Force, @OU and @UCF next year OOC. I am confident not a single person affiliated with FAU is complaining about the difficulty of schedule or bemoaning the inability to compete and how we should dumb down the OOC schedule like we have here.

Attitude matters. We need to have that attitude. And that is one of the many ways how we have the academic profile of Harvard, the money of UT (yes hyperbole, but reusing the phrase from above) and yet think like UL-Monroe or Savannah State.

(02-22-2018 03:48 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:46 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:42 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:40 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:28 AM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  UTSA and UNT are good examples here. Their new coaches got them competitive immediately, flirting with or achieving bowl eligibility. Then they went 9-5 (UNT) and 6-5 (UTSA) in year 2. Incrementally working their way up.

As is F_U. Both teams were awful the year before and turned it around rapidly.

FAU was 3-9 in 2016 and 11-3 in 2017 (8-0 in CUSA). Yes Kiffin brought in some JUCOs and yes FAU has far less restrictions than we do, but a 8 game improvement and going undefeated in CUSA cannot be solely attributed to JUCOs and transfers.

It isn't reasonable to expect us in year 1 to go to LSU and beat them. I do not think it is unreasonable to win 5 CUSA games though.

He not only brought in some JUCOs, he brought in multiple players who had been kicked out of P5 programs (and has brought even more in this year). They have zero academic restrictions there. I highly doubt that we are going to be able to improve as quickly.

Because it apparently bears repeating, I'll interject that there's no moral high ground when it comes to JUCO's. Rice can and does recruit JUCO's and there's nothing wrong with that.

This.

Also, yes I agree that FAU has advantages we don't. They can pick up people we cannot. So fine, maybe we don't go from 1-7 in CUSA to 8-0 instantly. But is it unreasonable to expect us to go 4-4 when we get to play ODU, UAB, UTEP and UTSA at HOME? Throw in PVaTm and that could be 5 wins right there for the season.

And IMO, if we play disciplined ball and commit the lowest number of penalties in CUSA, we should beat UTEP, ODU, PVaTm for sure and have a solid shot at UTSA, UAB, Hawaii, LaTech and USM. UNT and FIU may be tough, if they continue to improve. UH, WF and LSU, we probably lose.

I don't disagree. I think we win 4 or 5 next year. That's better than 1.

Yes, that is what I meant....

and for 'other' sports, WRC you're absolutely right... it's an absolute LAY DOWN I think. For those students, there IS no 'pro' alternative.

If it were somehow vastly easier to get to the pros in the major sports through UTSA than Rice, then at least I'd understand that choice, but it's not... and even if you compare most p5 programs, it's not.

So lets take out perennial top 25 programs who put tons of players into the NFL.... MOST of whom are also top 50 Universities... Someone who gets Rice should be as successful as our 'other' sports are in using the value of a Rice education vis a vis 90% of the other schools in the country, ESPECIALLY g5 and ABSOLUTELY CUSA in order to dominate the way some of our 'other' programs do.

(02-22-2018 03:46 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:42 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:40 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:28 AM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  UTSA and UNT are good examples here. Their new coaches got them competitive immediately, flirting with or achieving bowl eligibility. Then they went 9-5 (UNT) and 6-5 (UTSA) in year 2. Incrementally working their way up.

As is F_U. Both teams were awful the year before and turned it around rapidly.

FAU was 3-9 in 2016 and 11-3 in 2017 (8-0 in CUSA). Yes Kiffin brought in some JUCOs and yes FAU has far less restrictions than we do, but a 8 game improvement and going undefeated in CUSA cannot be solely attributed to JUCOs and transfers.

It isn't reasonable to expect us in year 1 to go to LSU and beat them. I do not think it is unreasonable to win 5 CUSA games though.

He not only brought in some JUCOs, he brought in multiple players who had been kicked out of P5 programs (and has brought even more in this year). They have zero academic restrictions there. I highly doubt that we are going to be able to improve as quickly.

Because it apparently bears repeating, I'll interject that there's no moral high ground when it comes to JUCO's. Rice can and does recruit JUCO's and there's nothing wrong with that.

We do ? In football ?

(02-22-2018 09:08 PM)davidw Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:46 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:42 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:40 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:28 AM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  UTSA and UNT are good examples here. Their new coaches got them competitive immediately, flirting with or achieving bowl eligibility. Then they went 9-5 (UNT) and 6-5 (UTSA) in year 2. Incrementally working their way up.

As is F_U. Both teams were awful the year before and turned it around rapidly.

FAU was 3-9 in 2016 and 11-3 in 2017 (8-0 in CUSA). Yes Kiffin brought in some JUCOs and yes FAU has far less restrictions than we do, but a 8 game improvement and going undefeated in CUSA cannot be solely attributed to JUCOs and transfers.

It isn't reasonable to expect us in year 1 to go to LSU and beat them. I do not think it is unreasonable to win 5 CUSA games though.

He not only brought in some JUCOs, he brought in multiple players who had been kicked out of P5 programs (and has brought even more in this year). They have zero academic restrictions there. I highly doubt that we are going to be able to improve as quickly.

Because it apparently bears repeating, I'll interject that there's no moral high ground when it comes to JUCO's. Rice can and does recruit JUCO's and there's nothing wrong with that.

We do ? In football ?

Sometimes. We could again. Why not?

(02-22-2018 09:08 PM)davidw Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:46 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:42 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:40 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:28 AM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  UTSA and UNT are good examples here. Their new coaches got them competitive immediately, flirting with or achieving bowl eligibility. Then they went 9-5 (UNT) and 6-5 (UTSA) in year 2. Incrementally working their way up.

As is F_U. Both teams were awful the year before and turned it around rapidly.

FAU was 3-9 in 2016 and 11-3 in 2017 (8-0 in CUSA). Yes Kiffin brought in some JUCOs and yes FAU has far less restrictions than we do, but a 8 game improvement and going undefeated in CUSA cannot be solely attributed to JUCOs and transfers.

It isn't reasonable to expect us in year 1 to go to LSU and beat them. I do not think it is unreasonable to win 5 CUSA games though.

He not only brought in some JUCOs, he brought in multiple players who had been kicked out of P5 programs (and has brought even more in this year). They have zero academic restrictions there. I highly doubt that we are going to be able to improve as quickly.

Because it apparently bears repeating, I'll interject that there's no moral high ground when it comes to JUCO's. Rice can and does recruit JUCO's and there's nothing wrong with that.

We do ? In football ?

A semi-frequent poster (in bursts) on here, who is now a lawyer, and who was on the offensive line of the CUSA conference championship team, arrived from the JUCO ranks.

(02-22-2018 09:36 PM)gsloth Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 09:08 PM)davidw Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:46 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:42 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:40 PM)Antarius Wrote:  As is F_U. Both teams were awful the year before and turned it around rapidly.

FAU was 3-9 in 2016 and 11-3 in 2017 (8-0 in CUSA). Yes Kiffin brought in some JUCOs and yes FAU has far less restrictions than we do, but a 8 game improvement and going undefeated in CUSA cannot be solely attributed to JUCOs and transfers.

It isn't reasonable to expect us in year 1 to go to LSU and beat them. I do not think it is unreasonable to win 5 CUSA games though.

He not only brought in some JUCOs, he brought in multiple players who had been kicked out of P5 programs (and has brought even more in this year). They have zero academic restrictions there. I highly doubt that we are going to be able to improve as quickly.

Because it apparently bears repeating, I'll interject that there's no moral high ground when it comes to JUCO's. Rice can and does recruit JUCO's and there's nothing wrong with that.

We do ? In football ?

A semi-frequent poster (in bursts) on here, who is now a lawyer, and who was on the offensive line of the CUSA conference championship team, arrived from the JUCO ranks.

1 in 10 years.

(02-23-2018 12:35 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 09:36 PM)gsloth Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 09:08 PM)davidw Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:46 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:42 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  He not only brought in some JUCOs, he brought in multiple players who had been kicked out of P5 programs (and has brought even more in this year). They have zero academic restrictions there. I highly doubt that we are going to be able to improve as quickly.

Because it apparently bears repeating, I'll interject that there's no moral high ground when it comes to JUCO's. Rice can and does recruit JUCO's and there's nothing wrong with that.

We do ? In football ?

A semi-frequent poster (in bursts) on here, who is now a lawyer, and who was on the offensive line of the CUSA conference championship team, arrived from the JUCO ranks.

1 in 10 years.

Is that because we can't or because we didn't? We also recruited poorly out of state.

We also beat 0 teams in the top 50 in 10 years... the only thing that ensured that was the case was our own failure to do so.

(02-23-2018 12:35 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 09:36 PM)gsloth Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 09:08 PM)davidw Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:46 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:42 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  He not only brought in some JUCOs, he brought in multiple players who had been kicked out of P5 programs (and has brought even more in this year). They have zero academic restrictions there. I highly doubt that we are going to be able to improve as quickly.

Because it apparently bears repeating, I'll interject that there's no moral high ground when it comes to JUCO's. Rice can and does recruit JUCO's and there's nothing wrong with that.

We do ? In football ?

A semi-frequent poster (in bursts) on here, who is now a lawyer, and who was on the offensive line of the CUSA conference championship team, arrived from the JUCO ranks.

1 in 10 years.

Rice's most successful coach brings in JUCO's and transfers aplenty.

Up and coming WBB uses transfers.

Coincidence?

I think we can agree that there are probably some things that the football program should be doing that it hasn't been doing.

(02-23-2018 08:38 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 12:35 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 09:36 PM)gsloth Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 09:08 PM)davidw Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:46 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  Because it apparently bears repeating, I'll interject that there's no moral high ground when it comes to JUCO's. Rice can and does recruit JUCO's and there's nothing wrong with that.

We do ? In football ?

A semi-frequent poster (in bursts) on here, who is now a lawyer, and who was on the offensive line of the CUSA conference championship team, arrived from the JUCO ranks.

1 in 10 years.

Rice's most successful coach brings in JUCO's and transfers aplenty.

Up and coming WBB uses transfers.

Coincidence?

I think we can agree that there are probably some things that the football program should be doing that it hasn't been doing.

Let's keep it apples to apples.

baseball and women's basketball are not football.

In football, most JC students are not going to academically qualified for Rice. That's because for most of them, if they had been academically qualifed, they would have been at a four year school instead. And those four year schools are where our transfers come from. so they have qualified, and then must show a transcript that shows good academic standing.

No problem in my mind with taking the people from JC who are qualified. I just wonder if they are they as plentiful as some say, or as rare as others say. But I do know the kids who have a choice between LSU and Blinn always go to LSU.

In baseball, the kids least academically oriented go pro, not JC. In truth, I think a baseballer who goes JC instead of pro shows he cares at least a little bit about getting a degree. In football and basketball, not as likely. Not zero, but less.

Transfers I have no problem with. Nobody transfers to Rice from Pepperdine or Michigan because they are failing in the classroom. Fine, go after them. JC, it depends on the sport and the individual, and I think in football, while there may be a few more individuals capable of doing Rice work than what we have now, is that really the best usage of our limited recruiting time and dollars?