(02-21-2018 10:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Finish the season with at least two straight wins (home vs. ECU and USF) then if they finish as the 6th seed in the AAC tourney, they will get ECU in the 1st game.

Just collecting wins.

Probably worst case would be 19-14. Can you can someone for going 19-14 his 2nd season?

IMO, it depends mainly on:
1. Legitimate hope for an NCAA bid next season (eg, recruiting, net quality of transfers in/out, player development, etc),
2. Willingness to hire competent AC’s and perform improved PR,
3. Availability of funds to pay off Tubby’s remaining contract,
4. Availabily of quality replacement and associated funding.

(02-21-2018 02:36 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Finish the season with at least two straight wins (home vs. ECU and USF) then if they finish as the 6th seed in the AAC tourney, they will get ECU in the 1st game.

Just collecting wins.

Probably worst case would be 19-14. Can you can someone for going 19-14 his 2nd season?

IMO, it depends mainly on:
1. Legitimate hope for an NCAA bid next season (eg, recruiting, net quality of transfers in/out, player development, etc),
2. Willingness to hire competent AC’s and perform improved PR,
3. Availability of funds to pay off Tubby’s remaining contract,
4. Availabily of quality replacement and associated funding.

See #3. Not gonna happen.

Eh...We will have a shot at the tourney next year...

And if we land Tyler and hopefully a good big we may be OK in 2 years if no one transfers.

You will have Soph Tyler, Junior Nickelberry, Junior Johnson, Senior Azab (Hopefully we can find someone better) and a sophomore "GOOD BIG"

But our frontcourt will be hurting in 2 years without question.

I'm not on board that he's 100% back next year. Heck, Josh's departure was pretty surprising. I guess if there is no movement by the NCAA title game, I'll know he's back.

I think the approximately $9-10M we owe him means he's safe regardless.

In a vacuum, 19-14 is not a fireable offense, but our strength of schedule in non-conference must be something line 1,837 out of the 350+ D1 schools. I'm surprised we didn't play an actual D3 school.

What if 2 or more transfer, we get no recruits and Tubby won't move his son out of the way.....?

(02-21-2018 02:09 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  edit: There is a downward trend. It's based on more than stats and his ridiculous quotes. Tubby's refusal to move his son into a more suitable position (in the face of horrendous recruiting results) speaks loudest to some.

This is what scares the crud out of many LONG-TIME Tiger fans like me...the current coach's horrific recruiting results and apparent unwillingness to make significant adjustments to right the ship.

Simply unacceptable!

(02-21-2018 03:31 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 02:09 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  edit: There is a downward trend. It's based on more than stats and his ridiculous quotes. Tubby's refusal to move his son into a more suitable position (in the face of horrendous recruiting results) speaks loudest to some.

This is what scares the crud out of many LONG-TIME Tiger fans like me...the current coach's horrific recruiting results and apparent unwillingness to make significant adjustments to right the ship.

Simply unacceptable!

And there is the possibility Tubby actually believes the ship is right as it stands... floats.

(02-21-2018 03:30 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  What if 2 or more transfer, we get no recruits and Tubby won't move his son out of the way.....?

Unless I'm missing something that isn't showing up publicly, firing Saul and replacing him with a good recruiter would solve at least a few issues.

I don't see Saul's value.

I'm not a program insider, but no one here has quantified his value in a positive sense yet to my memory.

I'd love to be corrected here if anyone can add to it...

(02-21-2018 03:30 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  What if 2 or more transfer, we get no recruits and Tubby won't move his son out of the way.....?

I think he’ll get another year for sure. Too much money involved in a buyout.

If he doesn’t produce an NCAA tourney team next year, he’ll most likely be canned.

Lots of what ifs, but unless he decides to step down (health, personal issues), he’ll be here next year.

I’m not on board. If he makes it through the offseason he will be gone before next season is over.

(02-21-2018 03:34 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 03:30 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  What if 2 or more transfer, we get no recruits and Tubby won't move his son out of the way.....?

Unless I'm missing something that isn't showing up publicly, firing Saul and replacing him with a good recruiter would solve at least a few issues.

I don't see Saul's value.

I'm not a program insider, but no one here has quantified his value in a positive sense yet to my memory.

I'd love to be corrected here if anyone can add to it...

Sad to say, the only guy who needs to see Saul's value is Tubby.

He's the Head Coach. He's in charge of hiring the assistants and they can't make him demote Saul.

Some one tell me I'm wrong.

So, 3 million dollars is going to make the difference?

That just seems silly.

Means the boosters are willing to get rid of Tubby for 6 million but no way they will get rid of him for 3 million more at 9 million.

I get that it is less money but if that's what the deal is, why would they not just let him finish up his losing ass 5 year tenure and then move on?

If I have cancer in my toe but can get it hacked off for 9 thousand, I'm not going to wait until it's half way up my leg and now my insurance will cover it so it's only gonna cost me 6 thousand.

yuck. get rid of that toe image.

(02-21-2018 03:48 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 03:34 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 03:30 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  What if 2 or more transfer, we get no recruits and Tubby won't move his son out of the way.....?

Unless I'm missing something that isn't showing up publicly, firing Saul and replacing him with a good recruiter would solve at least a few issues.

I don't see Saul's value.

I'm not a program insider, but no one here has quantified his value in a positive sense yet to my memory.

I'd love to be corrected here if anyone can add to it...

Sad to say, the only guy who needs to see Saul's value is Tubby.

He's the Head Coach. He's in charge of hiring the assistants and they can't make him demote Saul.

Some one tell me I'm wrong.

I've heard that people love their children unconditionally.

Makes sense now.

(02-21-2018 03:49 PM)jamammy Wrote:  So, 3 million dollars is going to make the difference?

That just seems silly.

Means the boosters are willing to get rid of Tubby for 6 million but no way they will get rid of him for 3 million more at 9 million.

I get that it is less money but if that's what the deal is, why would they not just let him finish up his losing ass 5 year tenure and then move on?

If I have cancer in my toe but can get it hacked off for 9 thousand, I'm not going to wait until it's half way up my leg and now my insurance will cover it so it's only gonna cost me 6 thousand.

Heck yeah $3 million is a dealbreaker. It’s not to me since I’m not paying it, but it sure makes a difference to those that will.

(02-21-2018 03:34 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 03:31 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 02:09 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  edit: There is a downward trend. It's based on more than stats and his ridiculous quotes. Tubby's refusal to move his son into a more suitable position (in the face of horrendous recruiting results) speaks loudest to some.

This is what scares the crud out of many LONG-TIME Tiger fans like me...the current coach's horrific recruiting results and apparent unwillingness to make significant adjustments to right the ship.

Simply unacceptable!

And there is the possibility Tubby actually believes the ship is right as it stands... floats.

On this point I totally agree...TS certainly gives every appearance of being "comfortable" with the current state of the program.

(02-21-2018 03:49 PM)jamammy Wrote:  So, 3 million dollars is going to make the difference?

That just seems silly.

Means the boosters are willing to get rid of Tubby for 6 million but no way they will get rid of him for 3 million more at 9 million.

I get that it is less money but if that's what the deal is, why would they not just let him finish up his losing ass 5 year tenure and then move on?

If I have cancer in my toe but can get it hacked off for 9 thousand, I'm not going to wait until it's half way up my leg and now my insurance will cover it so it's only gonna cost me 6 thousand.

I can fix your toe for $1000. With a hammer, chisel and butane torch.

(02-21-2018 04:01 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 03:34 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 03:31 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 02:09 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  edit: There is a downward trend. It's based on more than stats and his ridiculous quotes. Tubby's refusal to move his son into a more suitable position (in the face of horrendous recruiting results) speaks loudest to some.

This is what scares the crud out of many LONG-TIME Tiger fans like me...the current coach's horrific recruiting results and apparent unwillingness to make significant adjustments to right the ship.

Simply unacceptable!

And there is the possibility Tubby actually believes the ship is right as it stands... floats.

On this point I totally agree...TS certainly gives every appearance of being "comfortable" with the current state of the program.

They all do. He knows he’s on the hot seat...

(02-21-2018 03:54 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 03:49 PM)jamammy Wrote:  So, 3 million dollars is going to make the difference?

That just seems silly.

Means the boosters are willing to get rid of Tubby for 6 million but no way they will get rid of him for 3 million more at 9 million.

I get that it is less money but if that's what the deal is, why would they not just let him finish up his losing ass 5 year tenure and then move on?

If I have cancer in my toe but can get it hacked off for 9 thousand, I'm not going to wait until it's half way up my leg and now my insurance will cover it so it's only gonna cost me 6 thousand.

Heck yeah $3 million is a dealbreaker. It’s not to me since I’m not paying it, but it sure makes a difference to those that will.

Again, who told you this?

3 million ain't **** to these dudes.

I would assume that boosters are boosters because they want to give their money to improve the sport for a team they have affection for.

They are not blind and realize they or somebody was wrong and that Tubby needs to go.

They see a solution in one of their favorite former players and everybody is begging them to get rid of Tubby and hire Penny.

They know it can't get worse unless Tubby stays and if he does it will.

Penny would breath new life into the program and he is chomping at the bit.

Would hit the ground running.

Could even be a long term answer.

The boosters know this.

They aren't stupid.

Now, put me back on ignore and leave me alone.

Thanks.