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(02-21-2018 07:37 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  How many of you are losing sleep over UNC?

People can't help but notice the perceived difference in treatment between UNC in this situation and, let's say, ODU with the Donte Hill situation. With us there is an oddly rigid enforcement of rules and with UNC it appears to be the opposite.

Dude. They generate money. We do not, compared to them. It is simple. The bottom line is the dollars. Accept it and move on, there is nothing we can do about it. Corruption exists at the top of most large organizations.

I'm not losing any sleep over them. The decision was made and it's done with. They got away with it in the name of winning at all costs. Good for them.

we're like the hourly workers in the company, ALL of the rules strictly apply to us. UNC is like the Assistant manager that goes out on yachting trips and golf outings with the Manager (NCAA), and as a result of that ALL of the rules do not strictly apply to them...In the case of Louisville, maybe that Assistant manager has been a bit of a dick lately and needed to be made an example of, you know because if they just didn't enforce the rules at all at the management level everyone could claim illegitimacy in regards to the NCAA, but they've got something to point at and say hey I don't know what you're talkin about, we enforce the rules, look at UL

At the end of the day, the NCAA is corrupt, and we know that... Hopefully they'll eventually go out, Enron style

(02-21-2018 07:37 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  How many of you are losing sleep over UNC?

Everyone at the Norfolk Divsion of NC State.

If the NCAA was serious about cheating, they should make all of the schools implicated in today's report ineligible for next month's tournament. Think about that, a tournament without the following: USC, Texas, South Carolina, Utah, NC State, Seton Hall, LSU, Marlyand, Kentucky, Washington, Wichita State, Xavier, Clemson, Kansas, Virginia, Duke, Michigan State, Alabama, UNC, Vanderbilt, Iowa State, Creighton

https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-feder...38484.html

Here's the thing, maybe paying players is the way to go (although, that will certainly harm midmajors). But, rules are rules. Time to enforce them.

(02-23-2018 12:25 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  If the NCAA was serious about cheating, they should make all of the schools implicated in today's report ineligible for next month's tournament. Think about that, a tournament without the following: USC, Texas, South Carolina, Utah, NC State, Seton Hall, LSU, Marlyand, Kentucky, Washington, Wichita State, Xavier, Clemson, Kansas, Virginia, Duke, Michigan State, Alabama, UNC, Vanderbilt, Iowa State, Creighton

https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-feder...38484.html

Here's the thing, maybe paying players is the way to go (although, that will certainly harm midmajors). But, rules are rules. Time to enforce them.

And every one of those schools will sue the NCAA and they'll still get to compete while the legal proceedings take place.

Is there somewhere the full list is available? I missed that on the Yahoo story

(02-23-2018 01:15 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Is there somewhere the full list is available? I missed that on the Yahoo story

It's all in there. I'll quote the relevant parts:

Quote:Among the largest listed loans:

Dennis Smith, who would go on to play at North Carolina State in 2016-17, received $43,500 according to the documents. Another document headed “Pina,” for ASM agent Stephen Pina, says Smith received a total of $73,500 in loans, and includes notes about “options to recoup the money” when Smith did not sign with ASM.
Isaiah Whitehead, at the time a freshman at Seton Hall, received $26,136 according to the documents. The “Pina” document says Whitehead received $37,657 and was “setting up payment plan.” Whitehead signed with ASM but later left the agency for Roc Nation.
Tim Quarterman, at the time a junior at LSU, received at least $16,000 according to the balance sheet.
Diamond Stone, at the time a freshman at Maryland, received $14,303 according to the documents.
A listing that refers to “BAM” for $12,000 is later identified in the documents as Edrice “Bam” Adebayo, who would go on to play at Kentucky in 2016-17. He did not sign with ASM. There’s a later reference to Adebayo that says he received $36,500. “Bad loan,” reads the document.
Markelle Fultz, who would go on to play at Washington and become the No. 1 pick in the 2017 draft, received $10,000 according to the documents. He did not sign with ASM.

Quote:Several players, families of players or handlers received more than $1,000 in payments from ASM Sports before turning professional:

Current USC player Bennie Boatwright and/or his father, Bennie Sr. (According to documents, they received at least $2,000.)
Current USC player Chimezie Metu and/or adviser, Johnnie Parker. (According to documents, they received $2,000.)
Current Texas player Eric Davis. (According to documents, he received $1,500.)
Current South Carolina player Brian Bowen, who was ensnared in the initial federal investigation and started his career at Louisville last fall until the school withheld him from competition. His father, Brian Sr., also received money, according to the documents. (Dawkins’ expense reports also list more than $1,500 in plane tickets for Bowen, his father and his mother. He and his family received at least $7,000 in benefits, according to the documents.)
Former Utah star Kyle Kuzma received at least $9,500 while in school, according to the documents.
Former South Carolina player P.J. Dozier received at least $6,115 while in school, according to the documents.
Former Xavier player Edmond Sumner and/or his father, Ernest. Documents show they received at least $7,000 in advances while Edmond was in school.
Former Wichita State player Fred VanVleet. Documents show he received at least $1,000.
Former Clemson player Jaron Blossomgame received a payment by Venmo while in school for $1,100 according to the documents.
Apples Jones, the mother of former Kansas player Josh Jackson, received $2,700 according to documents.
Among those receiving hundreds of dollars in advances, according to Dawkins’ expense reports:

The mother of current Michigan State player Miles Bridges.

Quote:Among the players and/or families who are listed as meeting with or having meals with Dawkins:

Current Alabama player Collin Sexton.
Current Duke player Wendell Carter.
Current Kentucky player Kevin Knox.
Former North Carolina player Tony Bradley.
Former Creighton player Justin Patton.
Former Texas player Prince Ibeh.
Former Notre Dame player Demetrius Jackson.
Former Vanderbilt player Wade Baldwin.
Former Virginia player Malcolm Brogdon.
Former Iowa State player Monte Morris.

(02-22-2018 04:04 PM)jasdf Wrote:  Dude. They generate money. We do not, compared to them. It is simple. The bottom line is the dollars.

But why is that? Because the NCAA and television have anointed them one of the elite. I guarantee you, if ODU had every basketball game on national television, was written about in all the sports magazines, had the same amount of the television and NCAA money and was allowed to cheat like UNC does, within 10 years ODU would be one of the darlings of college hoops nationally and bringing in a ton of money too.

(02-23-2018 01:51 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 04:04 PM)jasdf Wrote:  Dude. They generate money. We do not, compared to them. It is simple. The bottom line is the dollars.

But why is that? Because the NCAA and television have anointed them one of the elite. I guarantee you, if ODU had every basketball game on national television, was written about in all the sports magazines, had the same amount of the television and NCAA money and was allowed to cheat like UNC does, within 10 years ODU would be one of the darlings of college hoops nationally and bringing in a ton of money too.

This is why:



You can put every ODU game on national television, write all about us, give us the money and allow us to cheat.....

for over 100 years and yes we might be where they are right now

(02-23-2018 01:28 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 01:15 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Is there somewhere the full list is available? I missed that on the Yahoo story

It's all in there. I'll quote the relevant parts:

Quote:Among the largest listed loans:

Dennis Smith, who would go on to play at North Carolina State in 2016-17, received $43,500 according to the documents. Another document headed “Pina,” for ASM agent Stephen Pina, says Smith received a total of $73,500 in loans, and includes notes about “options to recoup the money” when Smith did not sign with ASM.
Isaiah Whitehead, at the time a freshman at Seton Hall, received $26,136 according to the documents. The “Pina” document says Whitehead received $37,657 and was “setting up payment plan.” Whitehead signed with ASM but later left the agency for Roc Nation.
Tim Quarterman, at the time a junior at LSU, received at least $16,000 according to the balance sheet.
Diamond Stone, at the time a freshman at Maryland, received $14,303 according to the documents.
A listing that refers to “BAM” for $12,000 is later identified in the documents as Edrice “Bam” Adebayo, who would go on to play at Kentucky in 2016-17. He did not sign with ASM. There’s a later reference to Adebayo that says he received $36,500. “Bad loan,” reads the document.
Markelle Fultz, who would go on to play at Washington and become the No. 1 pick in the 2017 draft, received $10,000 according to the documents. He did not sign with ASM.

Quote:Several players, families of players or handlers received more than $1,000 in payments from ASM Sports before turning professional:

Current USC player Bennie Boatwright and/or his father, Bennie Sr. (According to documents, they received at least $2,000.)
Current USC player Chimezie Metu and/or adviser, Johnnie Parker. (According to documents, they received $2,000.)
Current Texas player Eric Davis. (According to documents, he received $1,500.)
Current South Carolina player Brian Bowen, who was ensnared in the initial federal investigation and started his career at Louisville last fall until the school withheld him from competition. His father, Brian Sr., also received money, according to the documents. (Dawkins’ expense reports also list more than $1,500 in plane tickets for Bowen, his father and his mother. He and his family received at least $7,000 in benefits, according to the documents.)
Former Utah star Kyle Kuzma received at least $9,500 while in school, according to the documents.
Former South Carolina player P.J. Dozier received at least $6,115 while in school, according to the documents.
Former Xavier player Edmond Sumner and/or his father, Ernest. Documents show they received at least $7,000 in advances while Edmond was in school.
Former Wichita State player Fred VanVleet. Documents show he received at least $1,000.
Former Clemson player Jaron Blossomgame received a payment by Venmo while in school for $1,100 according to the documents.
Apples Jones, the mother of former Kansas player Josh Jackson, received $2,700 according to documents.
Among those receiving hundreds of dollars in advances, according to Dawkins’ expense reports:

The mother of current Michigan State player Miles Bridges.

Quote:Among the players and/or families who are listed as meeting with or having meals with Dawkins:

Current Alabama player Collin Sexton.
Current Duke player Wendell Carter.
Current Kentucky player Kevin Knox.
Former North Carolina player Tony Bradley.
Former Creighton player Justin Patton.
Former Texas player Prince Ibeh.
Former Notre Dame player Demetrius Jackson.
Former Vanderbilt player Wade Baldwin.
Former Virginia player Malcolm Brogdon.
Former Iowa State player Monte Morris.

Thank you.

Dennis Smith seems to be in some hot water. That's more than some of the charges Mueller brought against Manafort.

Tony Bradley's dad tweeted the dinner was after he had declared for the draft. I'd do the same, but the timing is important as to whether there is an actual infraction.

(02-23-2018 01:07 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 12:25 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  If the NCAA was serious about cheating, they should make all of the schools implicated in today's report ineligible for next month's tournament. Think about that, a tournament without the following: USC, Texas, South Carolina, Utah, NC State, Seton Hall, LSU, Marlyand, Kentucky, Washington, Wichita State, Xavier, Clemson, Kansas, Virginia, Duke, Michigan State, Alabama, UNC, Vanderbilt, Iowa State, Creighton

https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-feder...38484.html

Here's the thing, maybe paying players is the way to go (although, that will certainly harm midmajors). But, rules are rules. Time to enforce them.

And every one of those schools will sue the NCAA and they'll still get to compete while the legal proceedings take place.

NCAA won't declare them ineligible, the hoops tourney is their cash cow. If they are serious about anything, it's making money. Time to stop this hypocrisy and devise a system of allowing agents to openly pay college players or loan them money if they want to. Or let the school's boosters pay a player above board. We can see from the yahoo report that this has been going on for years. Or as Jay Bilas says, "This has been going on for the past 100 years." If I am a college student and I have a skill that I can get paid for while I'm going to school, there is nothing wrong with that. I have to pay the taxes on the income generated. I still need to keep my grades up in order to stay in school. Why should it not be the same for a college athlete? I understand this would lead to the "rich getting richer" in terms of the Power 5 schools. But this is happening anyway.

3000 hours of wiretapping snags Arizona's Sean Miller, Michigan State, Indiana.