(02-21-2018 12:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:52 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:48 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:05 AM)Tulanefan32 Wrote:  And if you stick up for these kids on this board you get bullied. It’s sickening what these crazy people are saying about school shooting survivors on this board. Some are even calling them actors, what kind of sick twisted world do we live in where children are attacked and harassed and bullied. This is what happens when you allow Trump to spew his hate, more follow his lead.

If you can't take this, log off. Don't come here crying.

Dude, stop with the childishness please. If you don't like his opinion, ignore it. Don't pretend like nobody on the right has never said they were sickened by anything on this board.

That goes for you too. You want to tell everyone what to do but we can't express our opinion. Go piss up a rope.

Again...ridiculous. Never said anyone here can't express an opinion.

Ya basically did. You're not the moral police. If a person comes here trolling and then whines because he's being bullied, they don't need to be here.

(02-21-2018 12:54 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:52 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:48 PM)gdunn Wrote:  If you can't take this, log off. Don't come here crying.

Dude, stop with the childishness please. If you don't like his opinion, ignore it. Don't pretend like nobody on the right has never said they were sickened by anything on this board.

That goes for you too. You want to tell everyone what to do but we can't express our opinion. Go piss up a rope.

Again...ridiculous. Never said anyone here can't express an opinion.

Ya basically did. You're not the moral police. If a person comes here trolling and then whines because he's being bullied, they don't need to be here.

I can handle whatever you throw at me, I’m just pointing out your hypocrisy. Anybody who disagrees with your closeminded views is therefore a troll and treated as such.

(02-21-2018 12:59 PM)Tulanefan32 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:54 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:52 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dude, stop with the childishness please. If you don't like his opinion, ignore it. Don't pretend like nobody on the right has never said they were sickened by anything on this board.

That goes for you too. You want to tell everyone what to do but we can't express our opinion. Go piss up a rope.

Again...ridiculous. Never said anyone here can't express an opinion.

Ya basically did. You're not the moral police. If a person comes here trolling and then whines because he's being bullied, they don't need to be here.

I can handle whatever you throw at me, I’m just pointing out your hypocrisy. Anybody who disagrees with your closeminded views is therefore a troll and treated as such.

“Closeminded”. Rich irony.

(02-21-2018 12:54 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:46 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  My comments weren't solely directed toward you, but it's foolish to think that the parents pushed the kids into doing any of this, and even more foolish to say that the parents shouldn't let them.

It's only foolish if you somehow know that no parent has said "you should do this"... And FFS if you think that what these kids are doing is good for their long term emotional state after going through what they did....

Then you are nobody to call me foolish.

Quote:Isn't one of the complaints about kids today that they're all coddled by their parents?

This is not mom and dad calling the school because someone hurt their feelings. This is the type of trauma that scars emotionally mature adults for life, imagine what it can do to an adolocent!

*adolescent*

There's some kind of disconnect you've got here - assuming no one is forcing them (and I realize that is an assumption, but a relatively safe one, I feel, because of all the additional work the kids are doing on their own) - why exactly do you feel that them going on camera is so dangerous to their emotional well-being? Why do their parents need to "protect" them from saying anything in public? Kids that age have literally grown up saying EVERYTHING in public.

I'm not disputing that this is an incredibly traumatic event that they've been through, but what is so horrible about them giving their opinions? What's terrible about them going to the Florida state house to show their support for an issue they believe in? What's damaging about them organizing a protest with their friends over something horrible that happened?

To be clear, I am not saying that their efforts should REPLACE counseling, nor am I saying that they shouldn't have their moments in private with their families to break down.

They should be cautioned from giving their opinion till they've gained the knowledge to form an opinion worth sharing.

(02-21-2018 01:43 PM)Paul M Wrote:  They should be cautioned from giving their opinion till they've gained the knowledge to form an opinion worth sharing.

What utter BS. I guess no one should ever be allowed on the news unless they have a PhD in the topic or event being discussed.

Sadly, these kids have more knowledge about a school shooting than any of us care to have. They are fully within their "range of knowledge" to speak about it & give their opinion if they so choose.

(02-21-2018 01:43 PM)Paul M Wrote:  They should be cautioned from giving their opinion till they've gained the knowledge to form an opinion worth sharing.

They are tying to become famous, that is their intent and banning guns.

(02-21-2018 01:07 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  why exactly do you feel that them going on camera is so dangerous to their emotional well-being?

*1* Because like all teens, they think they can single handily change the world, they cant.. *2* When they setp into the public fray they will catch flack, as we have seen.

I'm not saying they have no voice or place, I'm saying that in the immediate wake it's a bad idea to let them treat "activism" like consoling... Because it's not..

Quote:Why do their parents need to "protect" them from saying anything in public? Kids that age have literally grown up saying EVERYTHING in public.

Straw man, never said kids should not say things in public, I said *RIGHT AFTER IT HAPPENS* that consoling should come first, PR second.

(02-21-2018 01:51 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:46 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:43 PM)Paul M Wrote:  They should be cautioned from giving their opinion till they've gained the knowledge to form an opinion worth sharing.

What utter BS. I guess no one should ever be allowed on the news unless they have a PhD in the topic or event being discussed.

Sadly, these kids have more knowledge about a school shooting than any of us care to have. They are fully within their "range of knowledge" to speak about it & give their opinion if they so choose.

Ridiculous statement.

The leader (the one with the FBI dad) vlogged in the library the whole time while on lockdown, and then was escorted out after it was over. His experience holds not a little bit, but ZERO value in the gun debate.

So we shouldn't listen to a kid who wants to talk and was in the school because he wasn't actually shot at? Makes a lot of sense.

(02-21-2018 01:56 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:51 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:46 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:43 PM)Paul M Wrote:  They should be cautioned from giving their opinion till they've gained the knowledge to form an opinion worth sharing.

What utter BS. I guess no one should ever be allowed on the news unless they have a PhD in the topic or event being discussed.

Sadly, these kids have more knowledge about a school shooting than any of us care to have. They are fully within their "range of knowledge" to speak about it & give their opinion if they so choose.

Ridiculous statement.

The leader (the one with the FBI dad) vlogged in the library the whole time while on lockdown, and then was escorted out after it was over. His experience holds not a little bit, but ZERO value in the gun debate.

So we shouldn't listen to a kid who wants to talk and was in the school because he wasn't actually shot at? Makes a lot of sense.

He can have his opinion and you're free to listen, but we won't be obligated to value it more than anyone else's.

Just like how kimmel gets up there and cries about his experience in the health care system doesn't make him an expert on health care, experiencing a shooting doesn't make you an expert on guns.

(02-21-2018 01:46 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:43 PM)Paul M Wrote:  They should be cautioned from giving their opinion till they've gained the knowledge to form an opinion worth sharing.

What utter BS. I guess no one should ever be allowed on the news unless they have a PhD in the topic or event being discussed.

Sadly, these kids have more knowledge about a school shooting than any of us care to have. They are fully within their "range of knowledge" to speak about it & give their opinion if they so choose.

Any where you see I said they can't give their naive opinions?

(02-21-2018 01:48 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:07 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  why exactly do you feel that them going on camera is so dangerous to their emotional well-being?

*1* Because like all teens, they think they can single handily change the world, they cant.. *2* When they setp into the public fray they will catch flack, as we have seen.

I'm not saying they have no voice or place, I'm saying that in the immediate wake it's a bad idea to let them treat "activism" like consoling... Because it's not..

Again, who says that's all they're doing to be consoled? If they waited 6 months, some would still think they're being opportunistic or pushed.

(02-21-2018 01:48 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

Quote:Why do their parents need to "protect" them from saying anything in public? Kids that age have literally grown up saying EVERYTHING in public.

Straw man, never said kids should not say things in public, I said *RIGHT AFTER IT HAPPENS* that consoling should come first, PR second.

Again, there is no "proper" timeline. As long as these kids are getting counseling for what they've gone through, no one should have an issue with what they're doing.

As a citizen of Florida, I imagine there is a zero percent chance the kids accomplish any of their goals at the state house. It's a publicity stunt. Don't see the legislature doing anything of substance as a result of it.

(02-21-2018 01:59 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:46 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:43 PM)Paul M Wrote:  They should be cautioned from giving their opinion till they've gained the knowledge to form an opinion worth sharing.

What utter BS. I guess no one should ever be allowed on the news unless they have a PhD in the topic or event being discussed.

Sadly, these kids have more knowledge about a school shooting than any of us care to have. They are fully within their "range of knowledge" to speak about it & give their opinion if they so choose.

Any where you see I said they can't give their naive opinions?

What makes you think they haven't been cautioned? Their opinions are just as valid as anyone else's.

(02-21-2018 01:57 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:56 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:51 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:46 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:43 PM)Paul M Wrote:  They should be cautioned from giving their opinion till they've gained the knowledge to form an opinion worth sharing.

What utter BS. I guess no one should ever be allowed on the news unless they have a PhD in the topic or event being discussed.

Sadly, these kids have more knowledge about a school shooting than any of us care to have. They are fully within their "range of knowledge" to speak about it & give their opinion if they so choose.

Ridiculous statement.

The leader (the one with the FBI dad) vlogged in the library the whole time while on lockdown, and then was escorted out after it was over. His experience holds not a little bit, but ZERO value in the gun debate.

So we shouldn't listen to a kid who wants to talk and was in the school because he wasn't actually shot at? Makes a lot of sense.

He can have his opinion and you're free to listen, but we won't be obligated to value it more than anyone else's.

Just like how kimmel gets up there and cries about his experience in the health care system doesn't make him an expert on health care, experiencing a shooting doesn't make you an expert on guns.

So ignore it - don't belittle the kids or the parents for letting them speak if their opinion means nothing to you.

(02-21-2018 02:03 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:57 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:56 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:51 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:46 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  What utter BS. I guess no one should ever be allowed on the news unless they have a PhD in the topic or event being discussed.

Sadly, these kids have more knowledge about a school shooting than any of us care to have. They are fully within their "range of knowledge" to speak about it & give their opinion if they so choose.

Ridiculous statement.

The leader (the one with the FBI dad) vlogged in the library the whole time while on lockdown, and then was escorted out after it was over. His experience holds not a little bit, but ZERO value in the gun debate.

So we shouldn't listen to a kid who wants to talk and was in the school because he wasn't actually shot at? Makes a lot of sense.

He can have his opinion and you're free to listen, but we won't be obligated to value it more than anyone else's.

Just like how kimmel gets up there and cries about his experience in the health care system doesn't make him an expert on health care, experiencing a shooting doesn't make you an expert on guns.

So ignore it - don't belittle the kids or the parents for letting them speak if their opinion means nothing to you.

You put yourself on the stage and spout ignorance in an attempt to degrade my rights you deserve belittling.

(02-21-2018 12:59 PM)Tulanefan32 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:54 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:52 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dude, stop with the childishness please. If you don't like his opinion, ignore it. Don't pretend like nobody on the right has never said they were sickened by anything on this board.

That goes for you too. You want to tell everyone what to do but we can't express our opinion. Go piss up a rope.

Again...ridiculous. Never said anyone here can't express an opinion.

Ya basically did. You're not the moral police. If a person comes here trolling and then whines because he's being bullied, they don't need to be here.

I can handle whatever you throw at me, I’m just pointing out your hypocrisy. Anybody who disagrees with your closeminded views is therefore a troll and treated as such.

Apparently you can't. Hence the whole being bullied.

But I'm close minded? Dude you got your head so far up your ass regarding a comic book movie, white knighting, and trying to "correct white privilege" you're the definition of close mindness. And yes you troll. If you can't handle the blow back for being a troll, maybe you need to find a kid friendly message board.

(02-21-2018 02:07 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 02:03 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:57 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:56 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:51 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Ridiculous statement.

The leader (the one with the FBI dad) vlogged in the library the whole time while on lockdown, and then was escorted out after it was over. His experience holds not a little bit, but ZERO value in the gun debate.

So we shouldn't listen to a kid who wants to talk and was in the school because he wasn't actually shot at? Makes a lot of sense.

He can have his opinion and you're free to listen, but we won't be obligated to value it more than anyone else's.

Just like how kimmel gets up there and cries about his experience in the health care system doesn't make him an expert on health care, experiencing a shooting doesn't make you an expert on guns.

So ignore it - don't belittle the kids or the parents for letting them speak if their opinion means nothing to you.

You put yourself on the stage and spout ignorance in an attempt to degrade my rights you deserve belittling.

So you don't value their opinion, but you still want to belittle them anyway. Ridiculous. This place never ceases to amaze in its stupidity.

(02-21-2018 02:03 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:57 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:56 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:51 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:46 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  What utter BS. I guess no one should ever be allowed on the news unless they have a PhD in the topic or event being discussed.

Sadly, these kids have more knowledge about a school shooting than any of us care to have. They are fully within their "range of knowledge" to speak about it & give their opinion if they so choose.

Ridiculous statement.

The leader (the one with the FBI dad) vlogged in the library the whole time while on lockdown, and then was escorted out after it was over. His experience holds not a little bit, but ZERO value in the gun debate.

So we shouldn't listen to a kid who wants to talk and was in the school because he wasn't actually shot at? Makes a lot of sense.

He can have his opinion and you're free to listen, but we won't be obligated to value it more than anyone else's.

Just like how kimmel gets up there and cries about his experience in the health care system doesn't make him an expert on health care, experiencing a shooting doesn't make you an expert on guns.

So ignore it - don't belittle the kids or the parents for letting them speak if their opinion means nothing to you.

That's part of being in the public arena. It would be different if they were just grieving, but the left has seized on the opportunity to coach them on their gun control talking points, while claiming that they are immune to criticism.

It's gross, and it isn't going to work.

(02-21-2018 02:09 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 02:07 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 02:03 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:57 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:56 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  So we shouldn't listen to a kid who wants to talk and was in the school because he wasn't actually shot at? Makes a lot of sense.

He can have his opinion and you're free to listen, but we won't be obligated to value it more than anyone else's.

Just like how kimmel gets up there and cries about his experience in the health care system doesn't make him an expert on health care, experiencing a shooting doesn't make you an expert on guns.

So ignore it - don't belittle the kids or the parents for letting them speak if their opinion means nothing to you.

You put yourself on the stage and spout ignorance in an attempt to degrade my rights you deserve belittling.

So you don't value their opinion, but you still want to belittle them anyway. Ridiculous. This place never ceases to amaze in its stupidity.

just because you believe its stupid, it doesnt make it so. Stupid are the ones that show their ignorance when they dont know anything about the subject. Just because a pit crew member is in a race, doesnt mean he knows how to drive a race car.