(02-19-2018 03:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 02:54 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 01:47 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 10:03 AM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:33 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  He has 1/6th the qualifications...

Blind Resume

A) NBA Allstar and a 3 year High School Coach with connections to recruits.

B) Multiple National Coach of the year awards and a gazillion years as a college coach and a national championship

And how is B working out for us?

You see that is the deal...

You never know how it is going to work out but if I was the hiring manager looking to hire I would pick B pretty much every time (Obviously we are talking about before he got to Memphis and stunk it up).

Let's say we could have Kelvin Sampson or Penny next year...Who do you take? All money and extenuating circumstances aside.

Sampson wanted the job when josh left. I think Tubby and Sampson are good friends, I wonder if he wouldn’t want to take over after Tubby?

I’d go with Penny if he told me he could bring the players.

If he guaranteed, with some sort of proof, that he could deliver the players I think that evens the playing field somewhat but Penny is such a huge risk. Penny is a much bigger risk than Josh was

OMG! Yea right....Joshies qualifications as a video coordinator had him poised and prime to take the reigns @ MEMPHIS....Surely, you're kidding,RIGHT????

Please say soo, Look at what's happening to GT....He's a dayum disgrace....I have BETTER qualifications than Josh....He was just THE ONLY one linked to Cal that Cal would allow Memphis to poach....Memphis felt we would be better if we had someone linked to Cal, because of the way Cal left us high and dry and the LEVEL of success Cal was able to bring here....WE Were HOPEFUL that Joshie could bring ANY semblance @ALL......FAIL! EPIC FAIL

(02-19-2018 10:19 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 10:03 AM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:33 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 12:35 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 06:49 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  Anything less than 500k would be a insult and show no confidence from the admin. He would have his work cut out for him to get this program climbing. A couple of his recruits alone is worth 500k. Just ask a shoe company if they are. Lol

You insult Penny one time with an offer like that, it’s over for life. In his mind, is he 1/6 the coach Tubby is or does he have 1/6 the value of Tubby?

He has 1/6th the qualifications...

Blind Resume

A) NBA Allstar and a 3 year High School Coach with connections to recruits.

B) Multiple National Coach of the year awards and a gazillion years as a college coach and a national championship

And how is B working out for us?

I want to Drain the Tubb. But the more important question still lingers....who to hire? This is a legitimate point. Many seem to think Penny is a Slam Dunk. I WANT THAT TO BE TRUE. But if you're hiring for the position of HC at MEMPHIS, what indicates to you that he will be?

(02-19-2018 03:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:00 PM)tiger ron Wrote:  I say give Penny a 5 year contract that is back loaded. That way if we pay Tubby off in 6 years it will not be a financial hardship. We would start drawing enough fans where we can receive our Grizzly payment of $600,000per year by having a minimum attendance requirement fulfilled. Keep the buyout low because I don't expect anyone will try to hire him away. Pay him $750,000 the first year with incentives and increase it by $250,000 each year.

A backloaded contract is still guaranteed money that must be paid if it doesn't work out

If he makes it to the backloaded part that means he's been successful and tubby is almost off the books by then. By your logic let tubby coach the 5yrs and see how far he can drag the program down while averaging 4 to 6k attendance and losing 600k? No way the administration let's that happen. They simply cant.

(02-19-2018 03:53 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:00 PM)tiger ron Wrote:  I say give Penny a 5 year contract that is back loaded. That way if we pay Tubby off in 6 years it will not be a financial hardship. We would start drawing enough fans where we can receive our Grizzly payment of $600,000per year by having a minimum attendance requirement fulfilled. Keep the buyout low because I don't expect anyone will try to hire him away. Pay him $750,000 the first year with incentives and increase it by $250,000 each year.

A backloaded contract is still guaranteed money that must be paid if it doesn't work out

If he makes it to the backloaded part that means he's been successful and tubby is almost off the books by then. By your logic let tubby coach the 5yrs and see how far he can drag the program down while averaging 4 to 6k attendance and losing 600k? No way the administration let's that happen. They simply cant.

$10 million says they will...

(02-19-2018 03:53 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:00 PM)tiger ron Wrote:  I say give Penny a 5 year contract that is back loaded. That way if we pay Tubby off in 6 years it will not be a financial hardship. We would start drawing enough fans where we can receive our Grizzly payment of $600,000per year by having a minimum attendance requirement fulfilled. Keep the buyout low because I don't expect anyone will try to hire him away. Pay him $750,000 the first year with incentives and increase it by $250,000 each year.

A backloaded contract is still guaranteed money that must be paid if it doesn't work out

If he makes it to the backloaded part that means he's been successful and tubby is almost off the books by then. By your logic let tubby coach the 5yrs and see how far he can drag the program down while averaging 4 to 6k attendance and losing 600k? No way the administration let's that happen. They simply cant.

No if your CONTRACT is backloaded and the total Contract is say worth 12 Million and you only pay 3 Million in the first 3 years. You still owe 9Million if you want to fire him

(02-19-2018 03:43 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 02:54 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 01:47 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 10:03 AM)Tigergary Wrote:  And how is B working out for us?

You see that is the deal...

You never know how it is going to work out but if I was the hiring manager looking to hire I would pick B pretty much every time (Obviously we are talking about before he got to Memphis and stunk it up).

Let's say we could have Kelvin Sampson or Penny next year...Who do you take? All money and extenuating circumstances aside.

Sampson wanted the job when josh left. I think Tubby and Sampson are good friends, I wonder if he wouldn’t want to take over after Tubby?

I’d go with Penny if he told me he could bring the players.

If he guaranteed, with some sort of proof, that he could deliver the players I think that evens the playing field somewhat but Penny is such a huge risk. Penny is a much bigger risk than Josh was

OMG! Yea right....Joshies qualifications as a video coordinator had him poised and prime to take the reigns @ MEMPHIS....Surely, you're kidding,RIGHT????

Please say soo, Look at what's happening to GT....He's a dayum disgrace....I have BETTER qualifications than Josh....He was just THE ONLY one linked to Cal that Cal would allow Memphis to poach....Memphis felt we would be better if we had someone linked to Cal, because of the way Cal left us high and dry and the LEVEL of success Cal was able to bring here....WE Were HOPEFUL that Joshie could bring ANY semblance @ALL......FAIL! EPIC FAIL

Josh was an assistant college coach twice as long as Penny has been a high school coach...And Josh was a big risk...Now Penny is an even larger one.

Penny is a huge unknown...He may be able to walk on water as a coach but there is no proof of that.

(02-19-2018 04:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:53 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:00 PM)tiger ron Wrote:  I say give Penny a 5 year contract that is back loaded. That way if we pay Tubby off in 6 years it will not be a financial hardship. We would start drawing enough fans where we can receive our Grizzly payment of $600,000per year by having a minimum attendance requirement fulfilled. Keep the buyout low because I don't expect anyone will try to hire him away. Pay him $750,000 the first year with incentives and increase it by $250,000 each year.

A backloaded contract is still guaranteed money that must be paid if it doesn't work out

If he makes it to the backloaded part that means he's been successful and tubby is almost off the books by then. By your logic let tubby coach the 5yrs and see how far he can drag the program down while averaging 4 to 6k attendance and losing 600k? No way the administration let's that happen. They simply cant.

No if your CONTRACT is backloaded and the total Contract is say worth 12 Million and you only pay 3 Million in the first 3 years. You still owe 9Million if you want to fire him

You do realize a CONTRACT can be worded to appease the parties involved right? Yes you're signing a 12 million dollar contract if this and this and that happens but if say after year 3 we decide to part ways then your buyout is not the full 12mil. Which is why one of my original questions was if anyone knew anything about his agent.

(02-19-2018 04:11 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 04:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:53 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:00 PM)tiger ron Wrote:  I say give Penny a 5 year contract that is back loaded. That way if we pay Tubby off in 6 years it will not be a financial hardship. We would start drawing enough fans where we can receive our Grizzly payment of $600,000per year by having a minimum attendance requirement fulfilled. Keep the buyout low because I don't expect anyone will try to hire him away. Pay him $750,000 the first year with incentives and increase it by $250,000 each year.

A backloaded contract is still guaranteed money that must be paid if it doesn't work out

If he makes it to the backloaded part that means he's been successful and tubby is almost off the books by then. By your logic let tubby coach the 5yrs and see how far he can drag the program down while averaging 4 to 6k attendance and losing 600k? No way the administration let's that happen. They simply cant.

No if your CONTRACT is backloaded and the total Contract is say worth 12 Million and you only pay 3 Million in the first 3 years. You still owe 9Million if you want to fire him

You do realize a CONTRACT can be worded to appease the parties involved right? Yes you're signing a 12 million dollar contract if this and this and that happens but if say after year 3 we decide to part ways then your buyout is not the full 12mil. Which is why one of my original questions was if anyone knew anything about his agent.

Another post about spending someone else’s money.

(02-19-2018 04:11 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 04:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:53 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:00 PM)tiger ron Wrote:  I say give Penny a 5 year contract that is back loaded. That way if we pay Tubby off in 6 years it will not be a financial hardship. We would start drawing enough fans where we can receive our Grizzly payment of $600,000per year by having a minimum attendance requirement fulfilled. Keep the buyout low because I don't expect anyone will try to hire him away. Pay him $750,000 the first year with incentives and increase it by $250,000 each year.

A backloaded contract is still guaranteed money that must be paid if it doesn't work out

If he makes it to the backloaded part that means he's been successful and tubby is almost off the books by then. By your logic let tubby coach the 5yrs and see how far he can drag the program down while averaging 4 to 6k attendance and losing 600k? No way the administration let's that happen. They simply cant.

No if your CONTRACT is backloaded and the total Contract is say worth 12 Million and you only pay 3 Million in the first 3 years. You still owe 9Million if you want to fire him

You do realize a CONTRACT can be worded to appease the parties involved right? Yes you're signing a 12 million dollar contract if this and this and that happens but if say after year 3 we decide to part ways then your buyout is not the full 12mil. Which is why one of my original questions was if anyone knew anything about his agent.

The way that normally works is Penny signs a contract for 3 years for what he is worth now and if he succeeds you increase his salary. That is the norm.

Why would Penny agree to a backloaded contract that is not guaranteed. Pay me what I am worth now and in 2 years we will talk again, if I blow up and you are not ready to step to the table I will get my market value elsewhere. That is the normal cadence.

(02-19-2018 04:16 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 04:11 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 04:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:53 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  A backloaded contract is still guaranteed money that must be paid if it doesn't work out

If he makes it to the backloaded part that means he's been successful and tubby is almost off the books by then. By your logic let tubby coach the 5yrs and see how far he can drag the program down while averaging 4 to 6k attendance and losing 600k? No way the administration let's that happen. They simply cant.

No if your CONTRACT is backloaded and the total Contract is say worth 12 Million and you only pay 3 Million in the first 3 years. You still owe 9Million if you want to fire him

You do realize a CONTRACT can be worded to appease the parties involved right? Yes you're signing a 12 million dollar contract if this and this and that happens but if say after year 3 we decide to part ways then your buyout is not the full 12mil. Which is why one of my original questions was if anyone knew anything about his agent.

Another post about spending someone else’s money.

It’s a message board. And it’s fun.

I remember this board kept saying josh will return over and over. Also said nobody wanted him, and boom. So, anything is possible. And for all parties involved, it’s best to part ways. It’s a bad fit and nobody is happy.

(02-19-2018 04:18 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 04:11 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 04:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:53 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  A backloaded contract is still guaranteed money that must be paid if it doesn't work out

If he makes it to the backloaded part that means he's been successful and tubby is almost off the books by then. By your logic let tubby coach the 5yrs and see how far he can drag the program down while averaging 4 to 6k attendance and losing 600k? No way the administration let's that happen. They simply cant.

No if your CONTRACT is backloaded and the total Contract is say worth 12 Million and you only pay 3 Million in the first 3 years. You still owe 9Million if you want to fire him

You do realize a CONTRACT can be worded to appease the parties involved right? Yes you're signing a 12 million dollar contract if this and this and that happens but if say after year 3 we decide to part ways then your buyout is not the full 12mil. Which is why one of my original questions was if anyone knew anything about his agent.

The way that normally works is Penny signs a contract for 3 years for what he is worth now and if he succeeds you increase his salary. That is the norm.

Why would Penny agree to a backloaded contract that is not guaranteed. Pay me what I am worth now and in 2 years we will talk again, if I blow up and you are not ready to step to the table I will get my market value elsewhere. That is the normal cadence.

Because penny wants to be the head coach of his school.
The administration wanted tubby. Tubby got a counter offer from TT. So we gave him what he wanted.
Penny only wants to coach here. So the administration only has to say OK but here's the terms. Then you go from there.

(02-19-2018 04:03 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:43 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 02:54 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 01:47 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  You see that is the deal...

You never know how it is going to work out but if I was the hiring manager looking to hire I would pick B pretty much every time (Obviously we are talking about before he got to Memphis and stunk it up).

Let's say we could have Kelvin Sampson or Penny next year...Who do you take? All money and extenuating circumstances aside.

Sampson wanted the job when josh left. I think Tubby and Sampson are good friends, I wonder if he wouldn’t want to take over after Tubby?

I’d go with Penny if he told me he could bring the players.

If he guaranteed, with some sort of proof, that he could deliver the players I think that evens the playing field somewhat but Penny is such a huge risk. Penny is a much bigger risk than Josh was

OMG! Yea right....Joshies qualifications as a video coordinator had him poised and prime to take the reigns @ MEMPHIS....Surely, you're kidding,RIGHT????

Please say soo, Look at what's happening to GT....He's a dayum disgrace....I have BETTER qualifications than Josh....He was just THE ONLY one linked to Cal that Cal would allow Memphis to poach....Memphis felt we would be better if we had someone linked to Cal, because of the way Cal left us high and dry and the LEVEL of success Cal was able to bring here....WE Were HOPEFUL that Joshie could bring ANY semblance @ALL......FAIL! EPIC FAIL

Josh was an assistant college coach twice as long as Penny has been a high school coach...And Josh was a big risk...Now Penny is an even larger one.

Penny is a huge unknown...He may be able to walk on water as a coach but there is no proof of that.

Josh was like the 3rd assistant - really just a go-getter recruiter with no experience or real knowledge of running a program or managing people. I feel much more confident in Penny than I did in Josh. Penny definitely has risk, but sometimes longtime college 1st assistants don't pan out either. But PENNY has enormous potential. If he turns out to be good, he would not be looking to go anywhere. He is one of the few potential coaches that could take us to the top and not be looking to jump to a blueblood. He would stay here and make us a blueblood.

(02-19-2018 04:03 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:43 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 02:54 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 01:47 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  You see that is the deal...

You never know how it is going to work out but if I was the hiring manager looking to hire I would pick B pretty much every time (Obviously we are talking about before he got to Memphis and stunk it up).

Let's say we could have Kelvin Sampson or Penny next year...Who do you take? All money and extenuating circumstances aside.

Sampson wanted the job when josh left. I think Tubby and Sampson are good friends, I wonder if he wouldn’t want to take over after Tubby?

I’d go with Penny if he told me he could bring the players.

If he guaranteed, with some sort of proof, that he could deliver the players I think that evens the playing field somewhat but Penny is such a huge risk. Penny is a much bigger risk than Josh was

OMG! Yea right....Joshies qualifications as a video coordinator had him poised and prime to take the reigns @ MEMPHIS....Surely, you're kidding,RIGHT????

Please say soo, Look at what's happening to GT....He's a dayum disgrace....I have BETTER qualifications than Josh....He was just THE ONLY one linked to Cal that Cal would allow Memphis to poach....Memphis felt we would be better if we had someone linked to Cal, because of the way Cal left us high and dry and the LEVEL of success Cal was able to bring here....WE Were HOPEFUL that Joshie could bring ANY semblance @ALL......FAIL! EPIC FAIL

Josh was an assistant college coach twice as long as Penny has been a high school coach...And Josh was a big risk...Now Penny is an even larger one.

Penny is a huge unknown...He may be able to walk on water as a coach but there is no proof of that.

He was a Graduate Assistant under Lute Olsen for 6 years....That's NOT an Assistant Coach.... and he served as a video coordinator that tied into recruiting because of his fathers connections to AAU

B.S. That he's more qualified than an ALLSTAR point guard that has Olympic medals expertise. Playing at THE highest level that anyone in the sport can play.... Coaching AAU and winning state Championships at the Level just before college and garnering The Best Players in the country....NOT some link through his father....Get OVER YOURself Josh is a disgrace....You want some flashcards to prove how inept he was/is






I will bet you $100 that IF Penny is blessed with this opportunity, he won't use grade school tactics such as that ^^^^^^

Make it $500....heck $1000

(02-19-2018 04:31 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 04:03 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:43 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 02:54 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Sampson wanted the job when josh left. I think Tubby and Sampson are good friends, I wonder if he wouldn’t want to take over after Tubby?

I’d go with Penny if he told me he could bring the players.

If he guaranteed, with some sort of proof, that he could deliver the players I think that evens the playing field somewhat but Penny is such a huge risk. Penny is a much bigger risk than Josh was

OMG! Yea right....Joshies qualifications as a video coordinator had him poised and prime to take the reigns @ MEMPHIS....Surely, you're kidding,RIGHT????

Please say soo, Look at what's happening to GT....He's a dayum disgrace....I have BETTER qualifications than Josh....He was just THE ONLY one linked to Cal that Cal would allow Memphis to poach....Memphis felt we would be better if we had someone linked to Cal, because of the way Cal left us high and dry and the LEVEL of success Cal was able to bring here....WE Were HOPEFUL that Joshie could bring ANY semblance @ALL......FAIL! EPIC FAIL

Josh was an assistant college coach twice as long as Penny has been a high school coach...And Josh was a big risk...Now Penny is an even larger one.

Penny is a huge unknown...He may be able to walk on water as a coach but there is no proof of that.

Josh was like the 3rd assistant - really just a go-getter recruiter with no experience or real knowledge of running a program or managing people. I feel much more confident in Penny than I did in Josh. Penny definitely has risk, but sometimes longtime college 1st assistants don't pan out either. But PENNY has enormous potential. If he turns out to be good, he would not be looking to go anywhere. He is one of the few potential coaches that could take us to the top and not be looking to jump to a blueblood. He would stay here and make us a blueblood.

(02-19-2018 04:32 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 04:03 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:43 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 02:54 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Sampson wanted the job when josh left. I think Tubby and Sampson are good friends, I wonder if he wouldn’t want to take over after Tubby?

I’d go with Penny if he told me he could bring the players.

If he guaranteed, with some sort of proof, that he could deliver the players I think that evens the playing field somewhat but Penny is such a huge risk. Penny is a much bigger risk than Josh was

OMG! Yea right....Joshies qualifications as a video coordinator had him poised and prime to take the reigns @ MEMPHIS....Surely, you're kidding,RIGHT????

Please say soo, Look at what's happening to GT....He's a dayum disgrace....I have BETTER qualifications than Josh....He was just THE ONLY one linked to Cal that Cal would allow Memphis to poach....Memphis felt we would be better if we had someone linked to Cal, because of the way Cal left us high and dry and the LEVEL of success Cal was able to bring here....WE Were HOPEFUL that Joshie could bring ANY semblance @ALL......FAIL! EPIC FAIL

Josh was an assistant college coach twice as long as Penny has been a high school coach...And Josh was a big risk...Now Penny is an even larger one.

Penny is a huge unknown...He may be able to walk on water as a coach but there is no proof of that.

He was a Graduate Assistant under Lute Olsen for 6 years....That's NOT an Assistant Coach.... and he served as a video coordinator that tied into recruiting because of his fathers connections to AAU

B.S. That he's more qualified than an ALLSTAR point guard that has Olympic medals expertise. Playing at THE highest level that anyone in the sport can play.... Coaching AAU and winning state Championships at the Level just before college and garnering The Best Players in the country....NOT some link through his father....Get OVER YOURself Josh is a disgrace....You want some flashcards to prove how inept he was/is






I will bet you $100 that IF Penny is blessed with this opportunity, he won't use grade school tactics such as that ^^^^^^

Make it $500....heck $1000

Why lie when it is so easy to verify.

Graduate assistant 2000-2002

Assistant 2002-2008...But hey whatever floats your boat.

Penny is working on his 3rd year as a High School coach.

If Penny is leveraging his players to get this job how is that any different that what Lawson did accept Lawson at least had the humility to accept an assistant coach position?

We aren’t firing a coach in his second year who wins 20+ games. I hate it, but it’s the truth

(02-19-2018 04:33 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 04:31 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 04:03 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:43 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  If he guaranteed, with some sort of proof, that he could deliver the players I think that evens the playing field somewhat but Penny is such a huge risk. Penny is a much bigger risk than Josh was

OMG! Yea right....Joshies qualifications as a video coordinator had him poised and prime to take the reigns @ MEMPHIS....Surely, you're kidding,RIGHT????

Please say soo, Look at what's happening to GT....He's a dayum disgrace....I have BETTER qualifications than Josh....He was just THE ONLY one linked to Cal that Cal would allow Memphis to poach....Memphis felt we would be better if we had someone linked to Cal, because of the way Cal left us high and dry and the LEVEL of success Cal was able to bring here....WE Were HOPEFUL that Joshie could bring ANY semblance @ALL......FAIL! EPIC FAIL

Josh was an assistant college coach twice as long as Penny has been a high school coach...And Josh was a big risk...Now Penny is an even larger one.

Penny is a huge unknown...He may be able to walk on water as a coach but there is no proof of that.

Josh was like the 3rd assistant - really just a go-getter recruiter with no experience or real knowledge of running a program or managing people. I feel much more confident in Penny than I did in Josh. Penny definitely has risk, but sometimes longtime college 1st assistants don't pan out either. But PENNY has enormous potential. If he turns out to be good, he would not be looking to go anywhere. He is one of the few potential coaches that could take us to the top and not be looking to jump to a blueblood. He would stay here and make us a blueblood.

BIG KUDOS to this post!!!! And thank you for using that awesome arse word!!!! ENORMOUS.....

Have to be delic8 with this....It's difficult for some to recognize potential in something....Every can't invest in fixer uppers and make more profit....some need the help of an opportunity that puts everything in perspective for them....Ofcourse, that removes the bulk of the profit, but it makes them feel safer about their choices...That's why ther's CEO's and employees and all that's in between

(02-19-2018 04:37 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 04:32 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 04:03 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:43 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  If he guaranteed, with some sort of proof, that he could deliver the players I think that evens the playing field somewhat but Penny is such a huge risk. Penny is a much bigger risk than Josh was

OMG! Yea right....Joshies qualifications as a video coordinator had him poised and prime to take the reigns @ MEMPHIS....Surely, you're kidding,RIGHT????

Please say soo, Look at what's happening to GT....He's a dayum disgrace....I have BETTER qualifications than Josh....He was just THE ONLY one linked to Cal that Cal would allow Memphis to poach....Memphis felt we would be better if we had someone linked to Cal, because of the way Cal left us high and dry and the LEVEL of success Cal was able to bring here....WE Were HOPEFUL that Joshie could bring ANY semblance @ALL......FAIL! EPIC FAIL

Josh was an assistant college coach twice as long as Penny has been a high school coach...And Josh was a big risk...Now Penny is an even larger one.

Penny is a huge unknown...He may be able to walk on water as a coach but there is no proof of that.

He was a Graduate Assistant under Lute Olsen for 6 years....That's NOT an Assistant Coach.... and he served as a video coordinator that tied into recruiting because of his fathers connections to AAU

B.S. That he's more qualified than an ALLSTAR point guard that has Olympic medals expertise. Playing at THE highest level that anyone in the sport can play.... Coaching AAU and winning state Championships at the Level just before college and garnering The Best Players in the country....NOT some link through his father....Get OVER YOURself Josh is a disgrace....You want some flashcards to prove how inept he was/is






I will bet you $100 that IF Penny is blessed with this opportunity, he won't use grade school tactics such as that ^^^^^^

Make it $500....heck $1000

Why lie when it is so easy to verify.

Graduate assistant 2000-2002

Assistant 2002-2008...But hey whatever floats your boat.

Penny is working on his 3rd year as a High School coach.

If Penny is leveraging his players to get this job how is that any different that what Lawson did accept Lawson at least had the humility to accept an assistant coach position?

Clearly you’re bothered by Penny. None of it bothers me one bit. I want players. If Penny can bring them and we don’t do it and someone else does. We will regret it hugely.

(02-19-2018 04:40 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  We aren’t firing a coach in his second year who wins 20+ games. I hate it, but it’s the truth

agreed. granted we dont know the 20+ win stat yet, but point is still there. hard to fire that guy.

(02-19-2018 04:40 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  We aren’t firing a coach in his second year who wins 20+ games. I hate it, but it’s the truth

I agree, but unsure we get to 20 w/o winning 2 games in the AAC tournament. The coaching and product on the floor is not the problem. The problems are:

1. Recruiting
2. Fan Support (season tickets sold and actual attendance)

These 2 are the lifeblood of the program and the Memphis basketball program has to make money. It really is that simple. If we roll with Coach Smith and that same staff into 2018-2019, especially if they add JUCO's to Vanover (regardless of whether they are good or not), it is going to be U-G-L-Y!