(02-19-2018 10:29 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 10:25 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:27 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:13 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:08 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Big picture is a $10 million payout.

And for the 10 millionth time many of us have explained how to resolve that. I'm done

I hope, for your sake, that you don’t open a business. Paying $10 million over six years for a person no longer on your staff is still spending $10 million. And this for a coach that will win 19-20 games this year.

So why isn’t Bowen pulling the trigger? Is he stupid?

I think he’ll be gone next year if he doesn’t make the tourney. The payoff goes down $3 million +.

If a donor thinks it’s wise to pay him off, he’ll be gone. Not many people, including the Fred Smith’s of the world, like to give away $10 million. This could happen at big money schools, but not here. Ain’t happening....

I opened a business 20 years ago which has afforded me to pay tuition for 2 stepkids at the University! Also a small farm. Don't you ever blindly demean me by suggesting I'm not capable of handling my affairs! This board is about discussion! You sir can kiss my ass! No I don't have to pay anyone 10mil but don't belittle fellow fans for having a opinion on the direction of the program!

The next Warren Buffett I see...lol

The ultimate a hole I see. Let me guess you're successful but look down at people not as successful as you. I'd say pat yourself on the back but you probably already do in the mirror every morning.

(02-19-2018 10:45 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 10:29 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 10:25 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:27 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:13 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  And for the 10 millionth time many of us have explained how to resolve that. I'm done

I hope, for your sake, that you don’t open a business. Paying $10 million over six years for a person no longer on your staff is still spending $10 million. And this for a coach that will win 19-20 games this year.

So why isn’t Bowen pulling the trigger? Is he stupid?

I think he’ll be gone next year if he doesn’t make the tourney. The payoff goes down $3 million +.

If a donor thinks it’s wise to pay him off, he’ll be gone. Not many people, including the Fred Smith’s of the world, like to give away $10 million. This could happen at big money schools, but not here. Ain’t happening....

I opened a business 20 years ago which has afforded me to pay tuition for 2 stepkids at the University! Also a small farm. Don't you ever blindly demean me by suggesting I'm not capable of handling my affairs! This board is about discussion! You sir can kiss my ass! No I don't have to pay anyone 10mil but don't belittle fellow fans for having a opinion on the direction of the program!

The next Warren Buffett I see...lol

The ultimate a hole I see. Let me guess you're successful but look down at people not as successful as you. I'd say pat yourself on the back but you probably already do in the mirror every morning.

I’d never do such a thing.

(02-19-2018 09:13 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:08 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:03 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 08:46 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 07:41 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  One of the single dumbest posts I’ve read on this board. Including a few of my own.

how many pages we at now?

I mean, me and my loser friends like it when Memphis wins. It puts us in a good mood and we want to talk to other Tiger fans about. I guess this isn't the place for Tiger fans to come together and talk Memphis athletics...if only somewhere like that existed.

Naw yall ain't losers. Just a case of tunnel vision and incapable of reading the writing on the wall . Big picture sir. Big picture.

Big picture is a $10 million payout.

And for the 10 millionth time many of us have explained how to resolve that. I'm done

Two different people spending and getting the money so a different set of priorities between the two.

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(02-19-2018 10:56 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:13 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:08 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:03 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 08:46 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  how many pages we at now?

I mean, me and my loser friends like it when Memphis wins. It puts us in a good mood and we want to talk to other Tiger fans about. I guess this isn't the place for Tiger fans to come together and talk Memphis athletics...if only somewhere like that existed.

Naw yall ain't losers. Just a case of tunnel vision and incapable of reading the writing on the wall . Big picture sir. Big picture.

Big picture is a $10 million payout.

And for the 10 millionth time many of us have explained how to resolve that. I'm done

Two different people spending and getting the money so a different set of priorities between the two.

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That's the thing. Not doing anything doesn't cost the boosters a penny (pun intended) so there is no sense of urgency on their part to do anything. Not doing anything right now will cost the school between $10-20 million in lost ticket revenue and the 800k payout. If you fire Tubby and he takes on another job that pays $1 million, then you have a net gain by merely getting the Grizzlies money for attendance.

It is a huge risk from a coaching and operations standpoint to hire Penny. At $1 million per season it is an absolute no brainer for the first 2 seasons at least.

When it gets down to the nitty gritty, two things stand out. One, how will Penny react if he has adversity on the recruiting trail? How does he react if his top 10 targets don't follow him to Memphis for some reason or another?

Two, who would he bring on as assistants? IF Penny hires one assistant that is at the same level as Pastner, Kenny Payne or Stoudamire, and another assistant with experience at the head coaching level who is good with X's and O's, he would have a fighting chance.

The main thing to consider is that hiring Penny will increase revenue from ticket sales and the Grizzlies payoff by at least $10 million next season and probably a lot more than that. That is IPF money that we can't afford to be without.

(02-20-2018 12:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 10:56 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:13 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:08 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:03 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  Naw yall ain't losers. Just a case of tunnel vision and incapable of reading the writing on the wall . Big picture sir. Big picture.

Big picture is a $10 million payout.

And for the 10 millionth time many of us have explained how to resolve that. I'm done

Two different people spending and getting the money so a different set of priorities between the two.

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That's the thing. Not doing anything doesn't cost the boosters a penny (pun intended) so there is no sense of urgency on their part to do anything. Not doing anything right now will cost the school between $10-20 million in lost ticket revenue and the 800k payout. If you fire Tubby and he takes on another job that pays $1 million, then you have a net gain by merely getting the Grizzlies money for attendance.

It is a huge risk from a coaching and operations standpoint to hire Penny. At $1 million per season it is an absolute no brainer for the first 2 seasons at least.

When it gets down to the nitty gritty, two things stand out. One, how will Penny react if he has adversity on the recruiting trail? How does he react if his top 10 targets don't follow him to Memphis for some reason or another?

Two, who would he bring on as assistants? IF Penny hires one assistant that is at the same level as Pastner, Kenny Payne or Stoudamire, and another assistant with experience at the head coaching level who is good with X's and O's, he would have a fighting chance.

The main thing to consider is that hiring Penny will increase revenue from ticket sales and the Grizzlies payoff by at least $10 million next season and probably a lot more than that. That is IPF money that we can't afford to be without.

What will happen if Penny doesn’t turn it around in 1-2 years and the fans turn on him?

(02-20-2018 01:05 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 12:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 10:56 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:13 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:08 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Big picture is a $10 million payout.

And for the 10 millionth time many of us have explained how to resolve that. I'm done

Two different people spending and getting the money so a different set of priorities between the two.

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That's the thing. Not doing anything doesn't cost the boosters a penny (pun intended) so there is no sense of urgency on their part to do anything. Not doing anything right now will cost the school between $10-20 million in lost ticket revenue and the 800k payout. If you fire Tubby and he takes on another job that pays $1 million, then you have a net gain by merely getting the Grizzlies money for attendance.

It is a huge risk from a coaching and operations standpoint to hire Penny. At $1 million per season it is an absolute no brainer for the first 2 seasons at least.

When it gets down to the nitty gritty, two things stand out. One, how will Penny react if he has adversity on the recruiting trail? How does he react if his top 10 targets don't follow him to Memphis for some reason or another?

Two, who would he bring on as assistants? IF Penny hires one assistant that is at the same level as Pastner, Kenny Payne or Stoudamire, and another assistant with experience at the head coaching level who is good with X's and O's, he would have a fighting chance.

The main thing to consider is that hiring Penny will increase revenue from ticket sales and the Grizzlies payoff by at least $10 million next season and probably a lot more than that. That is IPF money that we can't afford to be without.

What will happen if Penny doesn’t turn it around in 1-2 years and the fans turn on him?

12,000 Tickets Sold For 2 Seasons = 36 Games X $60/Ticket
$25,920,000 + $1,600,000 from Grizzlies
$27,520 Total

6,000 Tickets Sold For 2 Seasons = 36 Games X $50/Ticket
$10,800,000 Total

We are in a position where we can't afford to not give it a try. Any hire that will stop ticket sales from going into the toilet has to be made.

The 10 million is there as we woukd pay that to Tubby regardless. The new money needed would be for the next coach

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(02-20-2018 06:38 AM)fsquid Wrote:  The 10 million is there as we woukd pay that to Tubby regardless. The new money needed would be for the next coach

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Why is one sentence so hard to understand?

(02-20-2018 06:38 AM)fsquid Wrote:  The 10 million is there as we woukd pay that to Tubby regardless. The new money needed would be for the next coach

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I agree assuming nothing can be done to lower or eliminate the obligation. However, the six year payout concept may apply. Our generous boosters will be asked to pay for the salary of the new coach, but for budgeting purposes paying roughly the same amount overall in years five and six may make it more palatable.

(02-20-2018 12:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 10:56 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:13 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:08 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:03 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  Naw yall ain't losers. Just a case of tunnel vision and incapable of reading the writing on the wall . Big picture sir. Big picture.

Big picture is a $10 million payout.

And for the 10 millionth time many of us have explained how to resolve that. I'm done

Two different people spending and getting the money so a different set of priorities between the two.

Sent from my LG-H811 using CSNbbs mobile app

That's the thing. Not doing anything doesn't cost the boosters a penny (pun intended) so there is no sense of urgency on their part to do anything. Not doing anything right now will cost the school between $10-20 million in lost ticket revenue and the 800k payout. If you fire Tubby and he takes on another job that pays $1 million, then you have a net gain by merely getting the Grizzlies money for attendance.

It is a huge risk from a coaching and operations standpoint to hire Penny. At $1 million per season it is an absolute no brainer for the first 2 seasons at least.

When it gets down to the nitty gritty, two things stand out. One, how will Penny react if he has adversity on the recruiting trail? How does he react if his top 10 targets don't follow him to Memphis for some reason or another?

Two, who would he bring on as assistants? IF Penny hires one assistant that is at the same level as Pastner, Kenny Payne or Stoudamire, and another assistant with experience at the head coaching level who is good with X's and O's, he would have a fighting chance.

The main thing to consider is that hiring Penny will increase revenue from ticket sales and the Grizzlies payoff by at least $10 million next season and probably a lot more than that. That is IPF money that we can't afford to be without.

I like all of this. However, I wonder how many HC's would be interested in coming to assist a rookie HC who is, in essence, Memphis' science experiment. The money we would have to offer the AC's wouldn't be huge, I wouldn't think, so it might be tough to draw someone like Damon.
I'll be curious to see how Tony Madlock responds to the challenge at Ole Mrs. this spring. Missouri, Kentucky and Tennessee are his first 3 opponents as a HC (acting). He might make a fine (and affordable) lead AC for Memphis.

(02-20-2018 08:40 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 12:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 10:56 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:13 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:08 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Big picture is a $10 million payout.

And for the 10 millionth time many of us have explained how to resolve that. I'm done

Two different people spending and getting the money so a different set of priorities between the two.

Sent from my LG-H811 using CSNbbs mobile app

That's the thing. Not doing anything doesn't cost the boosters a penny (pun intended) so there is no sense of urgency on their part to do anything. Not doing anything right now will cost the school between $10-20 million in lost ticket revenue and the 800k payout. If you fire Tubby and he takes on another job that pays $1 million, then you have a net gain by merely getting the Grizzlies money for attendance.

It is a huge risk from a coaching and operations standpoint to hire Penny. At $1 million per season it is an absolute no brainer for the first 2 seasons at least.

When it gets down to the nitty gritty, two things stand out. One, how will Penny react if he has adversity on the recruiting trail? How does he react if his top 10 targets don't follow him to Memphis for some reason or another?

Two, who would he bring on as assistants? IF Penny hires one assistant that is at the same level as Pastner, Kenny Payne or Stoudamire, and another assistant with experience at the head coaching level who is good with X's and O's, he would have a fighting chance.

The main thing to consider is that hiring Penny will increase revenue from ticket sales and the Grizzlies payoff by at least $10 million next season and probably a lot more than that. That is IPF money that we can't afford to be without.

I like all of this. However, I wonder how many HC's would be interested in coming to assist a rookie HC who is, in essence, Memphis' science experiment. The money we would have to offer the AC's wouldn't be huge, I wouldn't think, so it might be tough to draw someone like Damon.
I'll be curious to see how Tony Madlock responds to the challenge at Ole Mrs. this spring. Missouri, Kentucky and Tennessee are his first 3 opponents as a HC (acting). He might make a fine (and affordable) lead AC for Memphis.

I don't know who's out there. I'm saying that if we could get the caliber of assistant that Pastner and Stoudamire were when they were assistants or someone comparable to Payne, it would be great. Madlock's name has been brought up a lot over the years. Maybe he would be viable to a Memphian as an assistant.

(02-20-2018 10:09 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 08:40 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 12:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 10:56 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:13 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  And for the 10 millionth time many of us have explained how to resolve that. I'm done

Two different people spending and getting the money so a different set of priorities between the two.

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That's the thing. Not doing anything doesn't cost the boosters a penny (pun intended) so there is no sense of urgency on their part to do anything. Not doing anything right now will cost the school between $10-20 million in lost ticket revenue and the 800k payout. If you fire Tubby and he takes on another job that pays $1 million, then you have a net gain by merely getting the Grizzlies money for attendance.

It is a huge risk from a coaching and operations standpoint to hire Penny. At $1 million per season it is an absolute no brainer for the first 2 seasons at least.

When it gets down to the nitty gritty, two things stand out. One, how will Penny react if he has adversity on the recruiting trail? How does he react if his top 10 targets don't follow him to Memphis for some reason or another?

Two, who would he bring on as assistants? IF Penny hires one assistant that is at the same level as Pastner, Kenny Payne or Stoudamire, and another assistant with experience at the head coaching level who is good with X's and O's, he would have a fighting chance.

The main thing to consider is that hiring Penny will increase revenue from ticket sales and the Grizzlies payoff by at least $10 million next season and probably a lot more than that. That is IPF money that we can't afford to be without.

I like all of this. However, I wonder how many HC's would be interested in coming to assist a rookie HC who is, in essence, Memphis' science experiment. The money we would have to offer the AC's wouldn't be huge, I wouldn't think, so it might be tough to draw someone like Damon.
I'll be curious to see how Tony Madlock responds to the challenge at Ole Mrs. this spring. Missouri, Kentucky and Tennessee are his first 3 opponents as a HC (acting). He might make a fine (and affordable) lead AC for Memphis.

I don't know who's out there. I'm saying that if we could get the caliber of assistant that Pastner and Stoudamire were when they were assistants or someone comparable to Payne, it would be great. Madlock's name has been brought up a lot over the years. Maybe he would be viable to a Memphian as an assistant.

Agreed. Perhaps the stars will line up.

(02-19-2018 10:16 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  And they didn't have their starting PG.

How many teams did we play this year that didn't have 1 or more people out of the lineup?

It's uncanny.

It's almost like it's a part of the game these days.

(02-21-2018 06:42 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 10:16 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  And they didn't have their starting PG.

How many teams did we play this year that didn't have 1 or more people out of the lineup?

It's uncanny.

It's almost like it's a part of the game these days.

Houston has a full lineup so I heard.

When Gregg Martin was asked what he liked best about his team, he said it was the fact that he had two really good guys at each position.


So. as we all know, some of the reason teams don’t have backups is recruiting

(02-21-2018 07:03 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 06:42 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 10:16 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  And they didn't have their starting PG.

How many teams did we play this year that didn't have 1 or more people out of the lineup?

It's uncanny.

It's almost like it's a part of the game these days.

Houston has a full lineup so I heard.

When Gregg Martin was asked what he liked best about his team, he said it was the fact that he had two really good guys at each position.


So. as we all know, some of the reason teams don’t have backups is recruiting

A team full of Jucos. I thought we hated Jucos?

followed by a top-25 home win...even the miserables should be pleased

four straight Ws and a reasonable shot at 20 wins...

(02-18-2018 11:48 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  Why start another thread when you can talk the same stuff in others that are 40 deep already?

The miserables threads or the happy clapper threads?

(02-20-2018 10:09 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 08:40 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 12:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 10:56 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:13 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  And for the 10 millionth time many of us have explained how to resolve that. I'm done

Two different people spending and getting the money so a different set of priorities between the two.

Sent from my LG-H811 using CSNbbs mobile app

That's the thing. Not doing anything doesn't cost the boosters a penny (pun intended) so there is no sense of urgency on their part to do anything. Not doing anything right now will cost the school between $10-20 million in lost ticket revenue and the 800k payout. If you fire Tubby and he takes on another job that pays $1 million, then you have a net gain by merely getting the Grizzlies money for attendance.

It is a huge risk from a coaching and operations standpoint to hire Penny. At $1 million per season it is an absolute no brainer for the first 2 seasons at least.

When it gets down to the nitty gritty, two things stand out. One, how will Penny react if he has adversity on the recruiting trail? How does he react if his top 10 targets don't follow him to Memphis for some reason or another?

Two, who would he bring on as assistants? IF Penny hires one assistant that is at the same level as Pastner, Kenny Payne or Stoudamire, and another assistant with experience at the head coaching level who is good with X's and O's, he would have a fighting chance.

The main thing to consider is that hiring Penny will increase revenue from ticket sales and the Grizzlies payoff by at least $10 million next season and probably a lot more than that. That is IPF money that we can't afford to be without.

I like all of this. However, I wonder how many HC's would be interested in coming to assist a rookie HC who is, in essence, Memphis' science experiment. The money we would have to offer the AC's wouldn't be huge, I wouldn't think, so it might be tough to draw someone like Damon.
I'll be curious to see how Tony Madlock responds to the challenge at Ole Mrs. this spring. Missouri, Kentucky and Tennessee are his first 3 opponents as a HC (acting). He might make a fine (and affordable) lead AC for Memphis.

I don't know who's out there. I'm saying that if we could get the caliber of assistant that Pastner and Stoudamire were when they were assistants or someone comparable to Payne, it would be great. Madlock's name has been brought up a lot over the years. Maybe he would be viable to a Memphian as an assistant.

Is there still a 90% chance Tubby gets canned?

Wasn’t it a “must” that we finish in the top 100 RPI? (95 now)

What about Tubby never finishing over .500 in conference? (9-7, most likely 11-7)

(02-26-2018 04:55 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 10:09 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 08:40 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 12:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 10:56 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  Two different people spending and getting the money so a different set of priorities between the two.

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That's the thing. Not doing anything doesn't cost the boosters a penny (pun intended) so there is no sense of urgency on their part to do anything. Not doing anything right now will cost the school between $10-20 million in lost ticket revenue and the 800k payout. If you fire Tubby and he takes on another job that pays $1 million, then you have a net gain by merely getting the Grizzlies money for attendance.

It is a huge risk from a coaching and operations standpoint to hire Penny. At $1 million per season it is an absolute no brainer for the first 2 seasons at least.

When it gets down to the nitty gritty, two things stand out. One, how will Penny react if he has adversity on the recruiting trail? How does he react if his top 10 targets don't follow him to Memphis for some reason or another?

Two, who would he bring on as assistants? IF Penny hires one assistant that is at the same level as Pastner, Kenny Payne or Stoudamire, and another assistant with experience at the head coaching level who is good with X's and O's, he would have a fighting chance.

The main thing to consider is that hiring Penny will increase revenue from ticket sales and the Grizzlies payoff by at least $10 million next season and probably a lot more than that. That is IPF money that we can't afford to be without.

I like all of this. However, I wonder how many HC's would be interested in coming to assist a rookie HC who is, in essence, Memphis' science experiment. The money we would have to offer the AC's wouldn't be huge, I wouldn't think, so it might be tough to draw someone like Damon.
I'll be curious to see how Tony Madlock responds to the challenge at Ole Mrs. this spring. Missouri, Kentucky and Tennessee are his first 3 opponents as a HC (acting). He might make a fine (and affordable) lead AC for Memphis.

I don't know who's out there. I'm saying that if we could get the caliber of assistant that Pastner and Stoudamire were when they were assistants or someone comparable to Payne, it would be great. Madlock's name has been brought up a lot over the years. Maybe he would be viable to a Memphian as an assistant.

Is there still a 90% chance Tubby gets canned?

Wasn’t it a “must” that we finish in the top 100 RPI? (95 now)

What about Tubby never finishing over .500 in conference? (9-7, most likely 11-7)

Finish in the top 100 of the RPI and bring in a strong class and I have to grudgingly agree that Tubby should be back. Tubby has done the bare minimum and has probably managed to keep his job. I'm sure we are all looking forward to another year of this.

Good for us.