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(02-20-2018 01:15 PM)Cotten Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:22 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:13 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:07 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 04:51 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Assistant coaches contracts have to be up this year. Even if they were 2-year deals - rare, but not unheard of - they would be up this year. No way they're longer than 2 years.

Tubby has control over staff - as indicated from the Keelon situation. But it's never "total control". If a staff member does something that puts the university at risk legally, financially, or in image, then the university will have a way to force a change. So that's the angle that needs to be taken. If that route is taken, and Tubby refuses, then a settlement would need to be negotiated for Tubby.

You can fire an assistant for any reason including for reasons based on performance. Everybody employed by the university including Rudd and Bowen have performance reviews at the end of every year. To suggest that anyone is untouchable is ridiculous.

I can't say with 100% certainty that Tubby has total control but my opinion is a lot more plausible than yours and unlike you, I won't state it as absolute fact without knowing for sure.

So you go out of your way to piss off the head coach? Sure makes the job appealing for the next guy. Also, you complain about the effort of Tubby now, wait until you fire his son.

There are only two professional ways to remove him.

1. Fire him and pay his contract

2. Try to negotiate a better deal to pay him off. This might be possible, it’s obvious he isn’t really enjoying this job. Maybe cut him a check for half and let him go away unrestricted.

I agree with both of your solutions, but we aren't talking about that. We are talking about whether or not it is doable to fire Saul. I am 99% sure that it is.

I posted this in another thread. Tubby isn't going to walk away from $9 million, but he might walk away from $1-3 million if he gets to resign with dignity. Tubby could talk about Georgia, Tulsa, Kentucky, Minnesota and Texas Tech; say that he still has gas in the tank and say that it wasn't a good fit here, and he will probably still be able to get a job somewhere.

If he risks getting fired he probably won't work again.

There's also a good chance that he could put together tournament team next year if he adds a couple of JUCOs who can shoot the 3 and play defense. That's sort of his MO...scrappy teams they win enough games against quality opponents to squeak into the tournament. A tournament appearance would be the perfect springboard for him to move onto greener pastures and we get out from under that albatross contract scott free.

I believe this too. A PG and some decent 3 point shooting and we’d be an incredibly better team this year. Even just average 3 point shooting would have made the difference in several games.

We always seem to be a poor 3 point shooting team, but this team takes it to a new level. It’s really hard to compete without 3 pointers. The last check I believe we were 342nd in 3 point shooting, hitting just over 29%. It’s really bad, but what makes it worse is that teams don’t respect our 3 point shooting (wonder why?) and leave us with wide open shots. We still miss.

We’ve got some decent pieces and some real scrappy players, but a couple of pieces away from being on the bubble. But without those pieces, we’ll be around a 18-19 win team again next year.

I really like these guys, but they need help in a few places to get over the hump.

(02-20-2018 05:25 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:15 PM)Cotten Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:22 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:13 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:07 AM)Stammers Wrote:  You can fire an assistant for any reason including for reasons based on performance. Everybody employed by the university including Rudd and Bowen have performance reviews at the end of every year. To suggest that anyone is untouchable is ridiculous.

I can't say with 100% certainty that Tubby has total control but my opinion is a lot more plausible than yours and unlike you, I won't state it as absolute fact without knowing for sure.

So you go out of your way to piss off the head coach? Sure makes the job appealing for the next guy. Also, you complain about the effort of Tubby now, wait until you fire his son.

There are only two professional ways to remove him.

1. Fire him and pay his contract

2. Try to negotiate a better deal to pay him off. This might be possible, it’s obvious he isn’t really enjoying this job. Maybe cut him a check for half and let him go away unrestricted.

I agree with both of your solutions, but we aren't talking about that. We are talking about whether or not it is doable to fire Saul. I am 99% sure that it is.

I posted this in another thread. Tubby isn't going to walk away from $9 million, but he might walk away from $1-3 million if he gets to resign with dignity. Tubby could talk about Georgia, Tulsa, Kentucky, Minnesota and Texas Tech; say that he still has gas in the tank and say that it wasn't a good fit here, and he will probably still be able to get a job somewhere.

If he risks getting fired he probably won't work again.

There's also a good chance that he could put together tournament team next year if he adds a couple of JUCOs who can shoot the 3 and play defense. That's sort of his MO...scrappy teams they win enough games against quality opponents to squeak into the tournament. A tournament appearance would be the perfect springboard for him to move onto greener pastures and we get out from under that albatross contract scott free.

I believe this too. A PG and some decent 3 point shooting and we’d be an incredibly better team this year. Even just average 3 point shooting would have made the difference in several games.

We always seem to be a poor 3 point shooting team, but this team takes it to a new level. It’s really hard to compete without 3 pointers. The last check I believe we were 342nd in 3 point shooting, hitting just over 29%. It’s really bad, but what makes it worse is that teams don’t respect our 3 point shooting (wonder why?) and leave us with wide open shots. We still miss.

We’ve got some decent pieces and some real scrappy players, but a couple of pieces away from being on the bubble. But without those pieces, we’ll be around a 18-19 win team again next year.

I really like these guys, but they need help in a few places to get over the hump.

It is a shame we don't have a point guard, our team would be exponentially better with a good point guard with Martin off of the ball. I would kill for an Antonio Burks or even a Willie Kemp type point guard.

(02-20-2018 05:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 05:25 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:15 PM)Cotten Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:22 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:13 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  So you go out of your way to piss off the head coach? Sure makes the job appealing for the next guy. Also, you complain about the effort of Tubby now, wait until you fire his son.

There are only two professional ways to remove him.

1. Fire him and pay his contract

2. Try to negotiate a better deal to pay him off. This might be possible, it’s obvious he isn’t really enjoying this job. Maybe cut him a check for half and let him go away unrestricted.

I agree with both of your solutions, but we aren't talking about that. We are talking about whether or not it is doable to fire Saul. I am 99% sure that it is.

I posted this in another thread. Tubby isn't going to walk away from $9 million, but he might walk away from $1-3 million if he gets to resign with dignity. Tubby could talk about Georgia, Tulsa, Kentucky, Minnesota and Texas Tech; say that he still has gas in the tank and say that it wasn't a good fit here, and he will probably still be able to get a job somewhere.

If he risks getting fired he probably won't work again.

There's also a good chance that he could put together tournament team next year if he adds a couple of JUCOs who can shoot the 3 and play defense. That's sort of his MO...scrappy teams they win enough games against quality opponents to squeak into the tournament. A tournament appearance would be the perfect springboard for him to move onto greener pastures and we get out from under that albatross contract scott free.

I believe this too. A PG and some decent 3 point shooting and we’d be an incredibly better team this year. Even just average 3 point shooting would have made the difference in several games.

We always seem to be a poor 3 point shooting team, but this team takes it to a new level. It’s really hard to compete without 3 pointers. The last check I believe we were 342nd in 3 point shooting, hitting just over 29%. It’s really bad, but what makes it worse is that teams don’t respect our 3 point shooting (wonder why?) and leave us with wide open shots. We still miss.

We’ve got some decent pieces and some real scrappy players, but a couple of pieces away from being on the bubble. But without those pieces, we’ll be around a 18-19 win team again next year.

I really like these guys, but they need help in a few places to get over the hump.

It is a shame we don't have a point guard, our team would be exponentially better with a good point guard with Martin off of the ball. I would kill for an Antonio Burks or even a Willie Kemp type point guard.

On that, I agree! Wow, it is possible. Add some 3 point shooting and our record, while not great, would be better. Hard to win when you hit 29% from 3.

(02-20-2018 05:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 05:25 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:15 PM)Cotten Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:22 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:13 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  So you go out of your way to piss off the head coach? Sure makes the job appealing for the next guy. Also, you complain about the effort of Tubby now, wait until you fire his son.

There are only two professional ways to remove him.

1. Fire him and pay his contract

2. Try to negotiate a better deal to pay him off. This might be possible, it’s obvious he isn’t really enjoying this job. Maybe cut him a check for half and let him go away unrestricted.

I agree with both of your solutions, but we aren't talking about that. We are talking about whether or not it is doable to fire Saul. I am 99% sure that it is.

I posted this in another thread. Tubby isn't going to walk away from $9 million, but he might walk away from $1-3 million if he gets to resign with dignity. Tubby could talk about Georgia, Tulsa, Kentucky, Minnesota and Texas Tech; say that he still has gas in the tank and say that it wasn't a good fit here, and he will probably still be able to get a job somewhere.

If he risks getting fired he probably won't work again.

There's also a good chance that he could put together tournament team next year if he adds a couple of JUCOs who can shoot the 3 and play defense. That's sort of his MO...scrappy teams they win enough games against quality opponents to squeak into the tournament. A tournament appearance would be the perfect springboard for him to move onto greener pastures and we get out from under that albatross contract scott free.

I believe this too. A PG and some decent 3 point shooting and we’d be an incredibly better team this year. Even just average 3 point shooting would have made the difference in several games.

We always seem to be a poor 3 point shooting team, but this team takes it to a new level. It’s really hard to compete without 3 pointers. The last check I believe we were 342nd in 3 point shooting, hitting just over 29%. It’s really bad, but what makes it worse is that teams don’t respect our 3 point shooting (wonder why?) and leave us with wide open shots. We still miss.

We’ve got some decent pieces and some real scrappy players, but a couple of pieces away from being on the bubble. But without those pieces, we’ll be around a 18-19 win team again next year.

I really like these guys, but they need help in a few places to get over the hump.

It is a shame we don't have a point guard, our team would be exponentially better with a good point guard with Martin off of the ball. I would kill for an Antonio Burks or even a Willie Kemp type point guard.

I waited and waited for him to land a good point guard and he couldn’t do it.
He pulled off what I considered the impossible. He got no help for Martin.

(02-20-2018 08:40 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 05:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 05:25 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:15 PM)Cotten Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:22 AM)Stammers Wrote:  I agree with both of your solutions, but we aren't talking about that. We are talking about whether or not it is doable to fire Saul. I am 99% sure that it is.

I posted this in another thread. Tubby isn't going to walk away from $9 million, but he might walk away from $1-3 million if he gets to resign with dignity. Tubby could talk about Georgia, Tulsa, Kentucky, Minnesota and Texas Tech; say that he still has gas in the tank and say that it wasn't a good fit here, and he will probably still be able to get a job somewhere.

If he risks getting fired he probably won't work again.

There's also a good chance that he could put together tournament team next year if he adds a couple of JUCOs who can shoot the 3 and play defense. That's sort of his MO...scrappy teams they win enough games against quality opponents to squeak into the tournament. A tournament appearance would be the perfect springboard for him to move onto greener pastures and we get out from under that albatross contract scott free.

I believe this too. A PG and some decent 3 point shooting and we’d be an incredibly better team this year. Even just average 3 point shooting would have made the difference in several games.

We always seem to be a poor 3 point shooting team, but this team takes it to a new level. It’s really hard to compete without 3 pointers. The last check I believe we were 342nd in 3 point shooting, hitting just over 29%. It’s really bad, but what makes it worse is that teams don’t respect our 3 point shooting (wonder why?) and leave us with wide open shots. We still miss.

We’ve got some decent pieces and some real scrappy players, but a couple of pieces away from being on the bubble. But without those pieces, we’ll be around a 18-19 win team again next year.

I really like these guys, but they need help in a few places to get over the hump.

It is a shame we don't have a point guard, our team would be exponentially better with a good point guard with Martin off of the ball. I would kill for an Antonio Burks or even a Willie Kemp type point guard.

I waited and waited for him to land a good point guard and he couldn’t do it.
He pulled off what I considered the impossible. He got no help for Martin.

Willie Kemp would be the best player on this squad.

(02-20-2018 08:27 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  There have been terrfic ideas discussed in this thread, but I believe there is still a shortage of hard facts.

An enterprising reporter (I am calling you out Mark G.) should provide facts related but not limited to:

1. Penny’s interest in the head coaching job. IMO, anything short of a Shermanesque denial from Penny is tantamount to his wish to take the position.

2. Is it legal for the administration to fire Saul and take other steps to make Tubby uncomfortable?

3. Does the six year payoff option exist?

Update:
1. I think it is safe to state that Penny is interested in our HC job.
2. Remains unknown
3. Squid (and other posters) say the six year payoff option exists. I will put it in the fact column unless someone objects.

(02-20-2018 07:49 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 05:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 05:25 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:15 PM)Cotten Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:22 AM)Stammers Wrote:  I agree with both of your solutions, but we aren't talking about that. We are talking about whether or not it is doable to fire Saul. I am 99% sure that it is.

I posted this in another thread. Tubby isn't going to walk away from $9 million, but he might walk away from $1-3 million if he gets to resign with dignity. Tubby could talk about Georgia, Tulsa, Kentucky, Minnesota and Texas Tech; say that he still has gas in the tank and say that it wasn't a good fit here, and he will probably still be able to get a job somewhere.

If he risks getting fired he probably won't work again.

There's also a good chance that he could put together tournament team next year if he adds a couple of JUCOs who can shoot the 3 and play defense. That's sort of his MO...scrappy teams they win enough games against quality opponents to squeak into the tournament. A tournament appearance would be the perfect springboard for him to move onto greener pastures and we get out from under that albatross contract scott free.

I believe this too. A PG and some decent 3 point shooting and we’d be an incredibly better team this year. Even just average 3 point shooting would have made the difference in several games.

We always seem to be a poor 3 point shooting team, but this team takes it to a new level. It’s really hard to compete without 3 pointers. The last check I believe we were 342nd in 3 point shooting, hitting just over 29%. It’s really bad, but what makes it worse is that teams don’t respect our 3 point shooting (wonder why?) and leave us with wide open shots. We still miss.

We’ve got some decent pieces and some real scrappy players, but a couple of pieces away from being on the bubble. But without those pieces, we’ll be around a 18-19 win team again next year.

I really like these guys, but they need help in a few places to get over the hump.

It is a shame we don't have a point guard, our team would be exponentially better with a good point guard with Martin off of the ball. I would kill for an Antonio Burks or even a Willie Kemp type point guard.

On that, I agree! Wow, it is possible. Add some 3 point shooting and our record, while not great, would be better. Hard to win when you hit 29% from 3.

I think that the 3 point shooting for everyone would improve if you had a point guard that could get into the lane.

(02-21-2018 08:40 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 07:49 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 05:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 05:25 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:15 PM)Cotten Wrote:  There's also a good chance that he could put together tournament team next year if he adds a couple of JUCOs who can shoot the 3 and play defense. That's sort of his MO...scrappy teams they win enough games against quality opponents to squeak into the tournament. A tournament appearance would be the perfect springboard for him to move onto greener pastures and we get out from under that albatross contract scott free.

I believe this too. A PG and some decent 3 point shooting and we’d be an incredibly better team this year. Even just average 3 point shooting would have made the difference in several games.

We always seem to be a poor 3 point shooting team, but this team takes it to a new level. It’s really hard to compete without 3 pointers. The last check I believe we were 342nd in 3 point shooting, hitting just over 29%. It’s really bad, but what makes it worse is that teams don’t respect our 3 point shooting (wonder why?) and leave us with wide open shots. We still miss.

We’ve got some decent pieces and some real scrappy players, but a couple of pieces away from being on the bubble. But without those pieces, we’ll be around a 18-19 win team again next year.

I really like these guys, but they need help in a few places to get over the hump.

It is a shame we don't have a point guard, our team would be exponentially better with a good point guard with Martin off of the ball. I would kill for an Antonio Burks or even a Willie Kemp type point guard.

On that, I agree! Wow, it is possible. Add some 3 point shooting and our record, while not great, would be better. Hard to win when you hit 29% from 3.

I think that the 3 point shooting for everyone would improve if you had a point guard that could get into the lane.

It would. It’s much easier to shoot when your body is already square to the basket. But, unless they really improve their individual shots, it still won’t be where it needs to be.

Still need shooters..

(02-21-2018 08:40 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 07:49 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 05:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 05:25 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:15 PM)Cotten Wrote:  There's also a good chance that he could put together tournament team next year if he adds a couple of JUCOs who can shoot the 3 and play defense. That's sort of his MO...scrappy teams they win enough games against quality opponents to squeak into the tournament. A tournament appearance would be the perfect springboard for him to move onto greener pastures and we get out from under that albatross contract scott free.

I believe this too. A PG and some decent 3 point shooting and we’d be an incredibly better team this year. Even just average 3 point shooting would have made the difference in several games.

We always seem to be a poor 3 point shooting team, but this team takes it to a new level. It’s really hard to compete without 3 pointers. The last check I believe we were 342nd in 3 point shooting, hitting just over 29%. It’s really bad, but what makes it worse is that teams don’t respect our 3 point shooting (wonder why?) and leave us with wide open shots. We still miss.

We’ve got some decent pieces and some real scrappy players, but a couple of pieces away from being on the bubble. But without those pieces, we’ll be around a 18-19 win team again next year.

I really like these guys, but they need help in a few places to get over the hump.

It is a shame we don't have a point guard, our team would be exponentially better with a good point guard with Martin off of the ball. I would kill for an Antonio Burks or even a Willie Kemp type point guard.

On that, I agree! Wow, it is possible. Add some 3 point shooting and our record, while not great, would be better. Hard to win when you hit 29% from 3.

I think that the 3 point shooting for everyone would improve if you had a point guard that could get into the lane.

Oh, by the way, I finally saw Tyler Harris play yesterday. District final against Bartlett. Cordova won a close one. Harris was obviously the focus for Bartlett, doubled, boxed, etc. Gotta say I was incredibly impressed! Oh, Tubby was watching too..

He’d really be a good player for us. Not a savior like some want to say, but one of those key pieces we need. He’d help with shooting too and take some heat off Martin.

I will say, he’s even smaller in person than I thought. Probably 5-9? But, man, can this kid play..

(02-21-2018 08:55 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 08:40 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 07:49 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 05:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 05:25 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  I believe this too. A PG and some decent 3 point shooting and we’d be an incredibly better team this year. Even just average 3 point shooting would have made the difference in several games.

We always seem to be a poor 3 point shooting team, but this team takes it to a new level. It’s really hard to compete without 3 pointers. The last check I believe we were 342nd in 3 point shooting, hitting just over 29%. It’s really bad, but what makes it worse is that teams don’t respect our 3 point shooting (wonder why?) and leave us with wide open shots. We still miss.

We’ve got some decent pieces and some real scrappy players, but a couple of pieces away from being on the bubble. But without those pieces, we’ll be around a 18-19 win team again next year.

I really like these guys, but they need help in a few places to get over the hump.

It is a shame we don't have a point guard, our team would be exponentially better with a good point guard with Martin off of the ball. I would kill for an Antonio Burks or even a Willie Kemp type point guard.

On that, I agree! Wow, it is possible. Add some 3 point shooting and our record, while not great, would be better. Hard to win when you hit 29% from 3.

I think that the 3 point shooting for everyone would improve if you had a point guard that could get into the lane.

It would. It’s much easier to shoot when your body is already square to the basket. But, unless they really improve their individual shots, it still won’t be where it needs to be.

Still need shooters..

You are right.

We are getting a ton of open looks now...Creating open looks isn't the problem people who can consistently knock them down is the issue. If we had consistent shooters Martin would have easier scoring opportunities in the paint and Parks wont have someone in his lap everytime he takes a dribble but it aint like Parks is going to kick it out though.

lol

sorry.

I just had an image of Parks kicking it out.

(02-20-2018 01:10 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 10:23 PM)Cotten Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 04:51 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Assistant coaches contracts have to be up this year. Even if they were 2-year deals - rare, but not unheard of - they would be up this year. No way they're longer than 2 years.

Tubby has control over staff - as indicated from the Keelon situation. But it's never "total control". If a staff member does something that puts the university at risk legally, financially, or in image, then the university will have a way to force a change. So that's the angle that needs to be taken. If that route is taken, and Tubby refuses, then a settlement would need to be negotiated for Tubby.

You can't manufacture "cause," either there is or there isn't. DUI, staff affairs, calling hookers on your university cell phone, sex on a restaurant table outside of wedlock, hiring hookers for visiting recruits, major NCAA infractions, abusive behavior towards students or staff, etc. all work fine. But it usually doesn't end well for an employer who puts together a flimsy cause case for firing someone with a guaranteed contract.

Flimsy cause? Any type of review based on performance would produce legitimate cause in about 10 seconds. Rudd and Bowen could justifiably fire all 4 coaches after pulling up the recruiting page on Rivals or 247.

For the head coach, lousy performance isn't considered "cause." Violations of university policy and code of conduct are "cause," failing to recruit the players you want them to recruit is not. And there's no way that Tubby's contract doesn't stipulate control of his staff. Unless they violate university policy, you can't get rid of them without Tubby's ok unless you get rid of Tubby too.

(02-20-2018 02:00 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  And there's a good chance monkeys might fly out our butts here at
JUCO U

That's what Tubby does. Ekes his way in with a team full of try-hards.

(02-20-2018 01:15 PM)Cotten Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:22 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:13 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:07 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 04:51 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Assistant coaches contracts have to be up this year. Even if they were 2-year deals - rare, but not unheard of - they would be up this year. No way they're longer than 2 years.

Tubby has control over staff - as indicated from the Keelon situation. But it's never "total control". If a staff member does something that puts the university at risk legally, financially, or in image, then the university will have a way to force a change. So that's the angle that needs to be taken. If that route is taken, and Tubby refuses, then a settlement would need to be negotiated for Tubby.

You can fire an assistant for any reason including for reasons based on performance. Everybody employed by the university including Rudd and Bowen have performance reviews at the end of every year. To suggest that anyone is untouchable is ridiculous.

I can't say with 100% certainty that Tubby has total control but my opinion is a lot more plausible than yours and unlike you, I won't state it as absolute fact without knowing for sure.

So you go out of your way to piss off the head coach? Sure makes the job appealing for the next guy. Also, you complain about the effort of Tubby now, wait until you fire his son.

There are only two professional ways to remove him.

1. Fire him and pay his contract

2. Try to negotiate a better deal to pay him off. This might be possible, it’s obvious he isn’t really enjoying this job. Maybe cut him a check for half and let him go away unrestricted.

I agree with both of your solutions, but we aren't talking about that. We are talking about whether or not it is doable to fire Saul. I am 99% sure that it is.

I posted this in another thread. Tubby isn't going to walk away from $9 million, but he might walk away from $1-3 million if he gets to resign with dignity. Tubby could talk about Georgia, Tulsa, Kentucky, Minnesota and Texas Tech; say that he still has gas in the tank and say that it wasn't a good fit here, and he will probably still be able to get a job somewhere.

If he risks getting fired he probably won't work again.

There's also a good chance that he could put together tournament team next year if he adds a couple of JUCOs who can shoot the 3 and play defense. That's sort of his MO...scrappy teams they win enough games against quality opponents to squeak into the tournament. A tournament appearance would be the perfect springboard for him to move onto greener pastures and we get out from under that albatross contract scott free.

Team has way to many holes in it. Our ranking in the national stats are such that you will need more than a couple of JUCOs unless the were four or five star players who could not make the grades and went JUCO.

Assist Per Game
2017-18 12.9
2016-17 15.9
2015-16 15.0
2014-15 14.4

Turnovers Per Game
2017-18 13.9
2016-17 11.5
2015-16 12.7
2014-15 13.3

Assist Turnover Ratio
2017-18 0.92
2016-17 1.38
2015-16 1.23
2014-15 1.08

Steals Per Game
2017-18 6.3
2016-17 6.9
2015-16 7.7
2014-15 7.0

FG%
2017-18 44.4
2016-17 44.2
2015-16 41.3
2014-15 43.9

3 FG%
2017-18 29.8
2016-17 29.5
2015-16 32.4
2014-15 32.8

Scoring offense
2017-18 69.9
2016-17 74.0
2015-16 76.6
2014-15 67.3

FG Defense
2017-18 42.5
2016-17 42.3
2015-16 40.0
2014-15 39.7

3pt FG Defense
2017-18 37.6
2016-17 33.7
2015-16 30.5
2014-15 30.4

Scoring defense
2017-18 70.4
2016-17 70.7
2015-16 70.3
2014-15 63.1

Scoring Margin
2017-18 -0.5
2016-17 3.3
2015-16 6.3
2014-15 4.3

Rebounding Per Game
2017-18 34.85
2016-17 36.36
2015-16 40.44
2014-15 37.34

Rebound Margin
2017-18 1.7
2016-17 0.3
2015-16 2.1
2014-15 4.2

FT%
2017-18 69.3
2016-17 68.3
2015-16 72.2
2014-15 66.6

(02-22-2018 12:20 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:15 PM)Cotten Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:22 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:13 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:07 AM)Stammers Wrote:  You can fire an assistant for any reason including for reasons based on performance. Everybody employed by the university including Rudd and Bowen have performance reviews at the end of every year. To suggest that anyone is untouchable is ridiculous.

I can't say with 100% certainty that Tubby has total control but my opinion is a lot more plausible than yours and unlike you, I won't state it as absolute fact without knowing for sure.

So you go out of your way to piss off the head coach? Sure makes the job appealing for the next guy. Also, you complain about the effort of Tubby now, wait until you fire his son.

There are only two professional ways to remove him.

1. Fire him and pay his contract

2. Try to negotiate a better deal to pay him off. This might be possible, it’s obvious he isn’t really enjoying this job. Maybe cut him a check for half and let him go away unrestricted.

I agree with both of your solutions, but we aren't talking about that. We are talking about whether or not it is doable to fire Saul. I am 99% sure that it is.

I posted this in another thread. Tubby isn't going to walk away from $9 million, but he might walk away from $1-3 million if he gets to resign with dignity. Tubby could talk about Georgia, Tulsa, Kentucky, Minnesota and Texas Tech; say that he still has gas in the tank and say that it wasn't a good fit here, and he will probably still be able to get a job somewhere.

If he risks getting fired he probably won't work again.

There's also a good chance that he could put together tournament team next year if he adds a couple of JUCOs who can shoot the 3 and play defense. That's sort of his MO...scrappy teams they win enough games against quality opponents to squeak into the tournament. A tournament appearance would be the perfect springboard for him to move onto greener pastures and we get out from under that albatross contract scott free.

Team has way to many holes in it. Our ranking in the national stats are such that you will need more than a couple of JUCOs unless the were four or five star players who could not make the grades and went JUCO.

Assist Per Game
2017-18 12.9
2016-17 15.9
2015-16 15.0
2014-15 14.4

Turnovers Per Game
2017-18 13.9
2016-17 11.5
2015-16 12.7
2014-15 13.3

Assist Turnover Ratio
2017-18 0.92
2016-17 1.38
2015-16 1.23
2014-15 1.08

Steals Per Game
2017-18 6.3
2016-17 6.9
2015-16 7.7
2014-15 7.0

FG%
2017-18 44.4
2016-17 44.2
2015-16 41.3
2014-15 43.9

3 FG%
2017-18 29.8
2016-17 29.5
2015-16 32.4
2014-15 32.8

Scoring offense
2017-18 69.9
2016-17 74.0
2015-16 76.6
2014-15 67.3

FG Defense
2017-18 42.5
2016-17 42.3
2015-16 40.0
2014-15 39.7

3pt FG Defense
2017-18 37.6
2016-17 33.7
2015-16 30.5
2014-15 30.4

Scoring defense
2017-18 70.4
2016-17 70.7
2015-16 70.3
2014-15 63.1

Scoring Margin
2017-18 -0.5
2016-17 3.3
2015-16 6.3
2014-15 4.3

Rebounding Per Game
2017-18 34.85
2016-17 36.36
2015-16 40.44
2014-15 37.34

Rebound Margin
2017-18 1.7
2016-17 0.3
2015-16 2.1
2014-15 4.2

FT%
2017-18 69.3
2016-17 68.3
2015-16 72.2
2014-15 66.6

You can only play 5 at a time so 1 player can make a big difference. And we’re not talking about winning a NC, we’re talking about winning 24-or-so games, and possibly squeaking into the tournament if a couple of those W’s are against the right teams.

(02-21-2018 11:31 PM)Cotten Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:00 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  And there's a good chance monkeys might fly out our butts here at
JUCO U

That's what Tubby does. Ekes his way in with a team full of try-hards.

Try-hards are great. I love some try-hards. The problem comes when there's not enough talent within or around the try-hards.

(02-19-2018 10:23 PM)Cotten Wrote:  You can't manufacture "cause," either there is or there isn't. DUI, staff affairs, calling hookers on your university cell phone, sex on a restaurant table outside of wedlock, hiring hookers for visiting recruits, major NCAA infractions, abusive behavior towards students or staff, etc. all work fine. But it usually doesn't end well for an employer who puts together a flimsy cause case for firing someone with a guaranteed contract.

We're talking about an AC, not the HC, contract. The AC contract is an probably an annual agreement. MORE THAN LIKELY, Tubby has control over staff, but their pay and annual contract still have to be approved by the University. Sometimes, universities don't agree to AC contracts. So Tubby could still have "control" but the university could at the same time play hardball on the next renewal of staff contracts.

(02-20-2018 01:07 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 04:51 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Assistant coaches contracts have to be up this year. Even if they were 2-year deals - rare, but not unheard of - they would be up this year. No way they're longer than 2 years.

Tubby has control over staff - as indicated from the Keelon situation. But it's never "total control". If a staff member does something that puts the university at risk legally, financially, or in image, then the university will have a way to force a change. So that's the angle that needs to be taken. If that route is taken, and Tubby refuses, then a settlement would need to be negotiated for Tubby.

You can fire an assistant for any reason including for reasons based on performance. Everybody employed by the university including Rudd and Bowen have performance reviews at the end of every year. To suggest that anyone is untouchable is ridiculous.

I can't say with 100% certainty that Tubby has total control but my opinion is a lot more plausible than yours and unlike you, I won't state it as absolute fact without knowing for sure.

That's precious. You patronizing about someone else posting. Most of what is stated on here is opinion. We are not always expected to qualify each post as such. In my opinion.

You sometimes make good points about basketball and the program. At the same time, you've proven over and over that you have no credibility when it comes to American contractual law or finance, so there's that.

(02-22-2018 05:02 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:07 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 04:51 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Assistant coaches contracts have to be up this year. Even if they were 2-year deals - rare, but not unheard of - they would be up this year. No way they're longer than 2 years.

Tubby has control over staff - as indicated from the Keelon situation. But it's never "total control". If a staff member does something that puts the university at risk legally, financially, or in image, then the university will have a way to force a change. So that's the angle that needs to be taken. If that route is taken, and Tubby refuses, then a settlement would need to be negotiated for Tubby.

You can fire an assistant for any reason including for reasons based on performance. Everybody employed by the university including Rudd and Bowen have performance reviews at the end of every year. To suggest that anyone is untouchable is ridiculous.

I can't say with 100% certainty that Tubby has total control but my opinion is a lot more plausible than yours and unlike you, I won't state it as absolute fact without knowing for sure.

That's precious. You patronizing about someone else posting. Most of what is stated on here is opinion. We are not always expected to qualify each post as such. In my opinion.

You sometimes make good points about basketball and the program. At the same time, you've proven over and over that you have no credibility when it comes to American contractual law or finance, so there's that.

So then wtf are you talking about? You are the one that said for sure that they can't.

Link?