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RE: Possible Steps on Getting Rid of Tubby - Your Input
(02-22-2018 04:57 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (02-19-2018 10:23 PM)Cotten Wrote: You can't manufacture "cause," either there is or there isn't. DUI, staff affairs, calling hookers on your university cell phone, sex on a restaurant table outside of wedlock, hiring hookers for visiting recruits, major NCAA infractions, abusive behavior towards students or staff, etc. all work fine. But it usually doesn't end well for an employer who puts together a flimsy cause case for firing someone with a guaranteed contract.
We're talking about an AC, not the HC, contract. The AC contract is an probably an annual agreement. MORE THAN LIKELY, Tubby has control over staff, but their pay and annual contract still have to be approved by the University. Sometimes, universities don't agree to AC contracts. So Tubby could still have "control" but the university could at the same time play hardball on the next renewal of staff contracts.
It's true that there are all sorts of ways an employer can make an employee's life unpleasant if they want to get rid of them. But to me, there is also a right/wrong way to do things. If they want Tubby to change his staff, imo, they should shoot straight and tell him he won't make it to year 4 if he chooses to keep his staff intact.
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Tiger87
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RE: Possible Steps on Getting Rid of Tubby - Your Input
(02-22-2018 05:06 PM)Stammers Wrote: (02-22-2018 05:02 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (02-20-2018 01:07 AM)Stammers Wrote: (02-19-2018 04:51 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: Assistant coaches contracts have to be up this year. Even if they were 2-year deals - rare, but not unheard of - they would be up this year. No way they're longer than 2 years.
Tubby has control over staff - as indicated from the Keelon situation. But it's never "total control". If a staff member does something that puts the university at risk legally, financially, or in image, then the university will have a way to force a change. So that's the angle that needs to be taken. If that route is taken, and Tubby refuses, then a settlement would need to be negotiated for Tubby.
You can fire an assistant for any reason including for reasons based on performance. Everybody employed by the university including Rudd and Bowen have performance reviews at the end of every year. To suggest that anyone is untouchable is ridiculous.
I can't say with 100% certainty that Tubby has total control but my opinion is a lot more plausible than yours and unlike you, I won't state it as absolute fact without knowing for sure.
That's precious. You patronizing about someone else posting. Most of what is stated on here is opinion. We are not always expected to qualify each post as such. In my opinion.
You sometimes make good points about basketball and the program. At the same time, you've proven over and over that you have no credibility when it comes to American contractual law or finance, so there's that.
So then wtf are you talking about? You are the one that said for sure that they can't.
Link?
The question is what are you talking about? I said Tubby had control. The evidence for this is the movement of Keelon, hiring of his son, and 99% of all other coaching contracts in America.
But I also said it's never 100% control, and there would be a way to force him to not renew Saul, or negotiate a settlement.
I never said "they can't". But you piped in and tried to pick an argument (again) for which you didn't have the facts and were, frankly, ill-equipped to handle.
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RE: Possible Steps on Getting Rid of Tubby - Your Input
(02-22-2018 06:08 PM)Cotten Wrote: (02-22-2018 04:57 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (02-19-2018 10:23 PM)Cotten Wrote: You can't manufacture "cause," either there is or there isn't. DUI, staff affairs, calling hookers on your university cell phone, sex on a restaurant table outside of wedlock, hiring hookers for visiting recruits, major NCAA infractions, abusive behavior towards students or staff, etc. all work fine. But it usually doesn't end well for an employer who puts together a flimsy cause case for firing someone with a guaranteed contract.
We're talking about an AC, not the HC, contract. The AC contract is an probably an annual agreement. MORE THAN LIKELY, Tubby has control over staff, but their pay and annual contract still have to be approved by the University. Sometimes, universities don't agree to AC contracts. So Tubby could still have "control" but the university could at the same time play hardball on the next renewal of staff contracts.
It's true that there are all sorts of ways an employer can make an employee's life unpleasant if they want to get rid of them. But to me, there is also a right/wrong way to do things. If they want Tubby to change his staff, imo, they should shoot straight and tell him he won't make it to year 4 if he chooses to keep his staff intact.
Why should he care if he makes it to year 4 if he is going to get paid for 5 years either way? Tubby does not care one ounce for anything at Memphis except the money our brilliant admin decided to pay him over 5 years. He's not going to walk away from the money regardless of how horribly that he does his job.
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RE: Possible Steps on Getting Rid of Tubby - Your Input
(02-22-2018 06:08 PM)Cotten Wrote: (02-22-2018 04:57 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (02-19-2018 10:23 PM)Cotten Wrote: You can't manufacture "cause," either there is or there isn't. DUI, staff affairs, calling hookers on your university cell phone, sex on a restaurant table outside of wedlock, hiring hookers for visiting recruits, major NCAA infractions, abusive behavior towards students or staff, etc. all work fine. But it usually doesn't end well for an employer who puts together a flimsy cause case for firing someone with a guaranteed contract.
We're talking about an AC, not the HC, contract. The AC contract is an probably an annual agreement. MORE THAN LIKELY, Tubby has control over staff, but their pay and annual contract still have to be approved by the University. Sometimes, universities don't agree to AC contracts. So Tubby could still have "control" but the university could at the same time play hardball on the next renewal of staff contracts.
It's true that there are all sorts of ways an employer can make an employee's life unpleasant if they want to get rid of them. But to me, there is also a right/wrong way to do things. If they want Tubby to change his staff, imo, they should shoot straight and tell him he won't make it to year 4 if he chooses to keep his staff intact.
We're saying similar things. I was never talking about manufacturing cause. I was talking about the fact that his staff is putting the university image and financials at risk. So a change has to be made, or settlement is negotiated. That's the approach to try to control the situation.
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Cotten
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RE: Possible Steps on Getting Rid of Tubby - Your Input
(02-22-2018 06:18 PM)SpiderMan79x Wrote: (02-22-2018 06:08 PM)Cotten Wrote: (02-22-2018 04:57 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: (02-19-2018 10:23 PM)Cotten Wrote: You can't manufacture "cause," either there is or there isn't. DUI, staff affairs, calling hookers on your university cell phone, sex on a restaurant table outside of wedlock, hiring hookers for visiting recruits, major NCAA infractions, abusive behavior towards students or staff, etc. all work fine. But it usually doesn't end well for an employer who puts together a flimsy cause case for firing someone with a guaranteed contract.
We're talking about an AC, not the HC, contract. The AC contract is an probably an annual agreement. MORE THAN LIKELY, Tubby has control over staff, but their pay and annual contract still have to be approved by the University. Sometimes, universities don't agree to AC contracts. So Tubby could still have "control" but the university could at the same time play hardball on the next renewal of staff contracts.
It's true that there are all sorts of ways an employer can make an employee's life unpleasant if they want to get rid of them. But to me, there is also a right/wrong way to do things. If they want Tubby to change his staff, imo, they should shoot straight and tell him he won't make it to year 4 if he chooses to keep his staff intact.
Why should he care if he makes it to year 4 if he is going to get paid for 5 years either way? Tubby does not care one ounce for anything at Memphis except the money our brilliant admin decided to pay him over 5 years. He's not going to walk away from the money regardless of how horribly that he does his job.
I don't believe that for 1 second. To have even the modest amount of success he has had at Memphis thus far requires too much work and shouldering of too much pressure to say he doesn't care. It requires a Herculean effort to win games with the talent on our roster. Hardly any of these kids started the season prepared to compete at the level they do now.
Tubby does things his way. We knew or should have known this when we hired him. And the way he does things is not a good fit at Memphis. That doesn't mean he's bad at what he does or he doesn't care. It just means that his approach to running a program does not jibe with the way most Tiger fans believe the program should be run.
(This post was last modified: 02-22-2018 06:33 PM by Cotten.)
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