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RE: NCAA Basketball Scandal - unintended consequences
(02-16-2018 01:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 10:16 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I keep waiting for the latest scandal that rocks collegiate athletics to the core to finally overhaul the system, and re-examine the need and necessity of the NCAA. It wasn't Penn State. It wasn't Miami. It wasn't Baylor. It wasn't Louisville. It isn't Michigan State. From the response by Notre Dame, it's possible their punishment may cause the necessary spark (encouraging other schools/programs to follow their lead). Perhaps it is this FBI investigation? Perhaps it a plethora of schools need to be given the severe discipline in order to get the rest to fall in line.

I honestly don't know what will happen next, but change does need to be made. It is getting out of control.

Problem is, what do we replace the NCAA with? There needs to be an umbrella, governing organization for intercollegiate athletics, and i think if we tore the NCAA down and rebuilt a new organization from scratch, it would ... end up looking a lot like the NCAA. 07-coffee3

Exactly. The NCAA is NOTHING. The rules exist because the SCHOOLS propose and adopt the rules. Move everyone to the NAIA and the same thing happens.
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RE: NCAA Basketball Scandal - unintended consequences
(02-17-2018 06:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 01:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 10:16 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I keep waiting for the latest scandal that rocks collegiate athletics to the core to finally overhaul the system, and re-examine the need and necessity of the NCAA. It wasn't Penn State. It wasn't Miami. It wasn't Baylor. It wasn't Louisville. It isn't Michigan State. From the response by Notre Dame, it's possible their punishment may cause the necessary spark (encouraging other schools/programs to follow their lead). Perhaps it is this FBI investigation? Perhaps it a plethora of schools need to be given the severe discipline in order to get the rest to fall in line.

I honestly don't know what will happen next, but change does need to be made. It is getting out of control.

Problem is, what do we replace the NCAA with? There needs to be an umbrella, governing organization for intercollegiate athletics, and i think if we tore the NCAA down and rebuilt a new organization from scratch, it would ... end up looking a lot like the NCAA. 07-coffee3

Exactly. The NCAA is NOTHING. The rules exist because the SCHOOLS propose and adopt the rules. Move everyone to the NAIA and the same thing happens.

Yeah, if the NCAA is this bad now, I'm not sure what can make it better. You can have it gutted or place more restrictions or oversight upon an organization, institutional oversight is still going to be a part of this, and that's probably the core weakness.

Athletics are the tip of the iceberg, but is a good place to spot so many of the problems within higher education. Mainly, how upper levels of administration disconnect themselves from operations. Someone in another thread likened college presidents to CEO's...CEO's do things, college presidents have been called figureheads for quite some time. They're not good for the real work. These current issues are indicating nobody else is good for anything, either. How does one fix that?
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RE: NCAA Basketball Scandal - unintended consequences
(02-16-2018 01:38 PM)chess Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 01:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 10:16 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I keep waiting for the latest scandal that rocks collegiate athletics to the core to finally overhaul the system, and re-examine the need and necessity of the NCAA. It wasn't Penn State. It wasn't Miami. It wasn't Baylor. It wasn't Louisville. It isn't Michigan State. From the response by Notre Dame, it's possible their punishment may cause the necessary spark (encouraging other schools/programs to follow their lead). Perhaps it is this FBI investigation? Perhaps it a plethora of schools need to be given the severe discipline in order to get the rest to fall in line.

I honestly don't know what will happen next, but change does need to be made. It is getting out of control.

Problem is, what do we replace the NCAA with? There needs to be an umbrella, governing organization for intercollegiate athletics, and i think if we tore the NCAA down and rebuilt a new organization from scratch, it would ... end up looking a lot like the NCAA. 07-coffee3

No, there doesn't need to be a replacement. The Big Ten can determine what is best for their members. The SEC and Big Ten could make an agreement to have their members play each other. The ACC and Pac 12 could choose a different criteria for their members.

So if e.g. the B1G made a rule allowing its schools to openly pay players, recruit year-round, etc. while the PAC sticks to basically the NCAA rules on stuff like that we have now, that this would facilitate competition between the conferences?

I don't think so. The B1G would end up playing games only among itself, and even its fans don't want that.
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