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(02-16-2018 10:34 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Broome gets a higher percentage of his minutes against lesser competition? That could explain it. I haven't done the breakdown though.


actually if you wanna run it through the top conference opponents.

home vs full strength smu, at full strength ucf, home vs temple (hate to add it but top 100 kenpom in this conference puts you in there), home vs houston, at houston.

in those 5 games broome is + 42 to jenifers +22.


(left out at temple cause broome didn't play, jenifer was +9 that game though)
 
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(02-16-2018 10:38 AM)jarr Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 10:31 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You just have to be a friend or a relative or something.

Rath,

Since you've pointed out all of Broomes deficiencies, can you explain exactly what Jennifer is bringing to the table? Maybe someone with a better basketball mind can explain to me, but I just don't see it. He usually passes the ball right after he crosses half court and then hides in the corner. Is his defense really that much superior? That stats don't seem to say so, and Broome is way more active as far as steals and creating TO's go.

Jennifer doesn’t bring nearly as much as we would want but he is normally solid on the ball - he is arguably our best on the ball defender and doesn’t make many mistakes on offense or defense. He does not blow assignments which force guys like Gary and Evans into bad spots.

Say for example I blow my assignment....somebody else up stream has to pick up the slack. Often that leads to backside help fouls or leaving their own man to help which leads to breakdowns that should never have happened. Fans may complain about the foul or the man left open but many never see why it happened to begin with and it’s not a stat. Broome regular hangs people out to dry. Some of that is mental mistakes when he gets lost...some is physical...he fails to keep his man in front of him or since he weighs about 150 lbs soaking wet he gets picked by a stern look. The staff has seen enough of it and yanks him if the matchup is bad.

Last nights matchup was bad for Cane which forced us to use Evans to death. Broome couldn’t stay with his guy in their motion and he can’t create against that type of in your face physical D.

Huggins used to say I don’t care if Herb Jones scores 20 points if his guy scores more he doesn’t play.
 
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I guess I'm naive or block headed but why do we fret about our point guard scoring more points when we have 4 guys on the floor that score at a great clip? I mean, there's only so many Allen Iverson's out there in college ball. I know that is an extreme example but when I've watched JJ on the floor the dude is a quick bowling ball. I don't mean that as a negative - he's built strong with quicks and he can stay with his man, fight through screens/traffic, grab a board, etc. He is a bit short so if we nit pick that is an issue at times on the perimeter. When Mick lets the game flow, there is no one on our team better at pushing the ball up the floor and passing it where it needs to be. I don't think he's asked to score first either by the Staff. I still like Broome and he has upside but in these critical games I would rather see JJ more at the point. Bring Cane off the pine even as a 2 guard to spell others. Again, the "system" has worked to a clip of 23-3 until last night's slip.
 
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Remember when Broome was our best player in practice last year? Yeah...
 
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(02-16-2018 11:45 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I guess I'm naive or block headed but why do we fret about our point guard scoring more points when we have 4 guys on the floor that score at a great clip?

i dont think its about scoring points at all. the offense flows better with broome and he has a really high assist rate. his ability to penetrate and force the defense to help opens up a lot for our offense.


vs when jenifer is in the defense sags off him completely. last night he went in the corner and stood there all game. the guy guarding him just sank in and clogged the middle even more.
 
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(02-16-2018 11:51 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  Remember when Broome was our best player in practice last year? Yeah...

remember when everyone talked about how unique a scoring threat Kyle Washington was in his transfer year? Remember all the people that were incredibly skeptical.

It works both ways.
 
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(02-16-2018 11:57 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 11:51 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  Remember when Broome was our best player in practice last year? Yeah...

remember when everyone talked about how unique a scoring threat Kyle Washington was in his transfer year? Remember all the people that were incredibly skeptical.

It works both ways.

I think Kyle is a different story. He was already a D1 player and had proved himself. I don’t remember many doubters. But Broome follows the same path as many previous untested legends such as Adam H.
 
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(02-16-2018 11:51 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  Remember when Broome was our best player in practice last year? Yeah...

The guy who sits out a transfer year is like the backup QB. Failsafe solution to what ails us.
 
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(02-16-2018 11:59 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 11:57 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 11:51 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  Remember when Broome was our best player in practice last year? Yeah...

remember when everyone talked about how unique a scoring threat Kyle Washington was in his transfer year? Remember all the people that were incredibly skeptical.

It works both ways.

I think Kyle is a different story. He was already a D1 player and had proved himself. I don’t remember many doubters. But Broome follows the same path as many previous untested legends such as Adam H.

Yeah, I don’t recall questions about whether Washington was a high major player talent. Question on him was primarily would he play in the paint or did he want to float out to the peremiter.
 
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(02-16-2018 06:56 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  If Evans is going to play 35+ (which I'm fine with)... he cannot play pg the entire time. I thought we over played that last night.

Bingo

Evans was exhausted last night and it affected his play

Jenifer was struggling bringing the ball up the court and getting UC in the offense.

If he can't do something as simple as that he should never leave the bench.
He got torched on defense last night
 
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(02-16-2018 10:10 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Ha! He was dreadful on d those games. Coaches learned a bit from those He’s not a high major player.

Dudes from Arkansas pine bluff, etc scored double figures against UC. Someone has to score. Doesn’t mean they can play for UC.

We may need some smarter fans. Lol

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Admit it Broome snubbed you for an autograph or dated your daughter
 
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I don’t disagree with any of that. But it’s not like there are a ton of other great options burning a hole in our pocket.

We committed the cardinal sin of failing to recruit a quality PG to follow up Jennifer’s freshman year and we were left scrambling for what to replace Troy with. Hello Sacred Heart. Option they chose was a mistake, IMO. Next year could be a real treat if Evans declares.
 
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(02-16-2018 01:16 PM)HoopsJunky Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 10:10 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Ha! He was dreadful on d those games. Coaches learned a bit from those He’s not a high major player.

Dudes from Arkansas pine bluff, etc scored double figures against UC. Someone has to score. Doesn’t mean they can play for UC.

We may need some smarter fans. Lol

Rath

Admit it Broome snubbed you for an autograph or dated your daughter

Ha! Actually I really like him in the couple times I have met him. Super nice. His parents did a great job. On the court he plays hard and never pouts and seems to be a team player. He just has some limitations in a structured offense and defense especially at a higher competition level that force you to pick and choose when you can use him. None of that is his fault.
 
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Rath is the same guy that relentlessly bashed Deonta Vaughn, even though he was a first team all Big East player pulling UC through its leanest years. So yeah, that's who you're dealing with...

They didn't lose last night because of Broome (and his lack of production). They lost because they were playing a good team and Cronin ALWAYS coaches scared on the road. Teams take the personality of their coach, so it wasn't a surprise to me to hear what Cronin said after the game. Paraphrasing...he said the guys came to the bench after going up 11 and said, "lets put them away." He responded by saying it would be a "rock fight." F*ck that.

The offense played with pace in the half court to start the game and this allowed them to get in rhythm jump shots and post ups that weren't doubled. Then they reverted back to running garbage sets (mainly the high post rubs) that took 10 second to get into and usually evolved into Evans running a late pick and roll with no off the ball movement.

Usually, Cronin has the better athletes and they play harder last night so they can get away with that crap on the road. But last night Houston scrapped, killed them on the glass and took it to UC's superior athletes. Maybe this is PTSD from getting his sh*t pushed in @ UConn, Pitt, GTown when the program had no talent, but it's infuriating to watch.
 
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(02-16-2018 01:54 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  Rath is the same guy that relentlessly bashed Deonta Vaughn, even though he was a first team all Big East player pulling UC through its leanest years. So yeah, that's who you're dealing with...

They didn't lose last night because of Broome (and his lack of production). They lost because they were playing a good team and Cronin ALWAYS coaches scared on the road. Teams take the personality of their coach, so it wasn't a surprise to me to hear what Cronin said after the game. Paraphrasing...he said the guys came to the bench after going up 11 and said, "lets put them away." He responded by saying it would be a "rock fight." F*ck that.

The offense played with pace in the half court to start the game and this allowed them to get in rhythm jump shots and post ups that weren't doubled. Then they reverted back to running garbage sets (mainly the high post rubs) that took 10 second to get into and usually evolved into Evans running a late pick and roll with no off the ball movement.

Usually, Cronin has the better athletes and they play harder last night so they can get away with that crap on the road. But last night Houston scrapped, killed them on the glass and took it to UC's superior athletes. Maybe this is PTSD from getting his sh*t pushed in @ UConn, Pitt, GTown when the program had no talent, but it's infuriating to watch.

We were so aggressive and confident the first two segments. He always says every game is different yet he tries to win every game the same way. This **** is not evolving.
 
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Huh? Who said they lost because of Broome? Take a pill and get a cold compress.
 
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Good Lord.

16 straight wins, a top 5 ranking, and just too much fun team to watch has repressed all of the pent up wanting to cry about the coach...it’s like a shaken up pop can. Here it comes. Pop the top and enjoy. This fan base is filled with manic depressives.
 
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(02-16-2018 02:03 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Good Lord.

16 straight wins, a top 5 ranking, and just too much fun team to watch has repressed all of the pent up wanting to cry about the coach...it’s like a shaken up pop can. Here it comes. Pop the top and enjoy. This fan base is filled with manic depressives.

You do realize it is possible to enjoy this tremendous season AND still be alarmed with the offensive play away from home (which has been an issue for years)?
 
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Are you really going off on Cronin like this just after last night? ALWAYS coaches scared on the road? PTSD for getting his **** pushed in? Get a grip, man.
 
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“UC always plays scared on the road”....lulz

Yeah, They looked terrified at UCLA. What games do some of you people watch!? And claiming PTSD from a conference they have a played in for six years is one of the dummest things I’ve read in this forum. And that’s saying something.

23-3 (12-1) and Top Ten in Feb and had won 16 in a row but we “play scared on the road”.

Here’s a newsflash for some of you people, Houston is a really good team and we played them in their house. Sampson had a great tactic it was play physical and foul and hope to get away with a lot of it and they did and it worked it was nothing more it was nothing less. They also have guys that hit shots. They waxed teams like Arkansas for good reason. They won their 20th game.

Step away from the ledge..
 
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