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(02-17-2018 09:12 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  
(02-17-2018 11:27 AM)Old Blue Wrote:  
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(02-17-2018 11:04 AM)Old Blue Wrote:  I think when you go into a gun store and buy an AR-15 type of weapon you are displaying a certain psychological mindset. This is a weapon built to mimic combat style weapons. And your mindset isn't hunting. It's killing as many human being that you can in the shortest amount of time possible. An AR-15 is not a varmint gun, no matter what you're told. Try to focus on the here and now (mass shootings), and not the what might happen down the road.

There are literally thousands of AR15 owners who have never killed anyone


Yup.

We got junior amateur psychologist on the loose here!

Warning!!!

You're probably not buying the AR-15 as a deer hunting rifle, are you? There are plenty of better hunting rifles on the market. Hell, the AR-15 is not even a very good weapon for home defense. It is an assault weapon (assault weapon being one designed to kill many humans in the shortest amount of time possible). It's no coincidence these types of weapons are almost exclusively used for mass shootings today. I honestly can't think of a single reason to own one. Please enlighten me.
Because the 2nd amendment isn't about an individuals right to hunt. It's about the fundamental right to resist oppressive government and is one of the many deterrents our founders felt were necessary to safeguard an individuals freedom.

Amazing everyone glossed over this post. This is the reason for the second amendment.

And if you don't think we need it today you're not paying attention to how our government over the last 20 or more years has been using more and more of its' govt agencies against their enemies.
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I haven't been keeping up with all these posts but if someone else has posted this then I apologize. We all know that there is a law that forbids anyone yelling "fire" in a crowded theater/arena. So why don't they enact a law that when someone posts the things that this Cruz kid posted that they be investigated and any firearms that they have be confiscated and perhaps with a year of prison. These killers are into being famous so it will be very hard for them to keep quiet about their intentions and they will post something eventually. Even Isis sympathizers post so one can't say that they'll keep quiet about their intentions. They can't. They want the infamy.
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It may be that law enforcement is already do9ng this to some degree. It's the ones that fall thru the cracks that are the problem.
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(02-18-2018 01:02 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I haven't been keeping up with all these posts but if someone else has posted this then I apologize. We all know that there is a law that forbids anyone yelling "fire" in a crowded theater/arena. So why don't they enact a law that when someone posts the things that this Cruz kid posted that they be investigated and any firearms that they have be confiscated and perhaps with a year of prison. These killers are into being famous so it will be very hard for them to keep quiet about their intentions and they will post something eventually. Even Isis sympathizers post so one can't say that they'll keep quiet about their intentions. They can't. They want the infamy.

It's already against federal law to electronically transmit threats. Had it been properly investigated there very well could have been action taken but the FBI failed to do so and there wasn't.

Here's what happens when a law enforcement agency actually does it's job:

http://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime...62089.html

Quote: The Lexington man with a history of threatening River Bluff High School students and staff, including videos about putting them in body bag, pleaded guilty Tuesday.

Christopher Glen Raines, aka “AJ Blues,” 43, pleaded guilty to unlawful communication and was sentenced to fifteen days at the Lexington County Detention Center, according to the Lexington Police Department.

Raines made a series of verbal and written threats of violence on his Facebook and Twitter pages, along with numerous videos posted on his YouTube page between Aug. 17 and Sept. 17, authorities said.

“This week’s prediction: RBHS students killed this week while committing crimes on private property,” Raines said Sept. 17, 2017 on Facebook and Twitter, according to police.

In a YouTube post, Raines shared a video of himself in his yard with a bow and arrow using explosive arrowheads, which are designed to use .357 or .38 Special ammunition, authorities said.

During these videos, police said, Raines made reference to students being put into body bags.
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(02-18-2018 12:56 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  Amazing everyone glossed over this post. This is the reason for the second amendment.

And if you don't think we need it today you're not paying attention to how our government over the last 20 or more years has been using more and more of its' govt agencies against their enemies.

I’ve posted on other boards about 2 places that have outlawed gun ownership- Venezuela and North Korea. The responses I’ve gotten from liberals is “false equivalency” because those countries have dictators. The idiots can’t see the forest for the trees.

Also I think I’ve come to the determination that for the libs “false equivalency” means your common sense argument makes my liberal talking point look stupid so Ill ignore it
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(02-18-2018 12:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 11:24 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  How about this as a suggestion. Instead of waiting for someone else to propose a solution, why don't the 2nd amendment supporters make some suggestions? If as you say, you are tired of the violence, what are your ideas? Why does the responsibility fall entirely to the gun control people?

Can you make one suggestion that could reduce gun violence?

Sure. Big government needs to get off their ass and do their job. This was preventable. This was known about before it happened.

So, instead of more constitutional infringements on the law abiding citizens, get the government to do their jobs or find people who will.

Now, maybe those who are all for gun control will offer suggestions as to how we prevent illegal aliens from killing americans.
But what about the next one? And there will be a next one. You and I both know it. It seems alot of people on this board just want to ignore what's right there in front of them. I'm guessing they have no children in High School, no skin in the game. Something needs to be done or the Republicans are going to pay a steep price. The people are sick of no action. Honestly I don't know why I'm even arguing the point. It's gonna happen whether you like it or not.
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(02-18-2018 07:14 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 12:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 11:24 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  How about this as a suggestion. Instead of waiting for someone else to propose a solution, why don't the 2nd amendment supporters make some suggestions? If as you say, you are tired of the violence, what are your ideas? Why does the responsibility fall entirely to the gun control people?

Can you make one suggestion that could reduce gun violence?

Sure. Big government needs to get off their ass and do their job. This was preventable. This was known about before it happened.

So, instead of more constitutional infringements on the law abiding citizens, get the government to do their jobs or find people who will.

Now, maybe those who are all for gun control will offer suggestions as to how we prevent illegal aliens from killing americans.
But what about the next one? And there will be a next one. You and I both know it. It seems alot of people on this board just want to ignore what's right there in front of them. I'm guessing they have no children in High School, no skin in the game. Something needs to be done or the Republicans are going to pay a steep price. The people are sick of no action. Honestly I don't know why I'm even arguing the point. It's gonna happen whether you like it or not.

I think this should fall to the local government before the Feds. He was kicked out of school for having ammunition in his back pack. As someone else pointed out, if he had been arrested then, maybe this wouldn't have happened.
I find a certain amount of irony in blaming Big Govt. on a decidedly conservative board that usually argues for less big govt.
Do you want big govt when it suits you, or do you want smaller big Govt?
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(02-18-2018 09:29 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 09:16 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 09:13 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  
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(02-18-2018 08:51 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  *Sigh*

Apply your exact test to the dooshbag shooter in Fl and get back to us, I'm not gonna do it for you.

Tell the legal, law-abiding gun owners where these "seven relatively painless steps" would have changed a thing.

He was of age, in a ROTC program at some point, no priors, no reports from counselors etc.

I've said, repeatedly, that the ball was dropped. PLENTY of signs/signals etc., along the way. But until someone puts them dots all together... We got, what? Restrict ammo laws?

Really?!?
Doesn't really matter if it works. It matters that something is being done. It matters that action is being taken. There is a rumbling in the distance about the ease of getting weapons. I hear it, I and possibly several other politically astute people on this board. Give a little now, or give alot more later. Take action, take the issue off of the table. Or get ready for a slaughter in the mid-term elections.

Kneejerk reactions based on misconceptions and ignorance. Give a little now and wait for the next incident when they will say more is needed. All the while doing nothing that will prevent this from happening again.

Yep, logic based off of emotion is usually illogical.

"Government" dropped the ball on this one, be that local police, FBI, and the high school for not calling the cops when he brought ammo to school. 39 police calls/runs to his house over a few years.


Yup.

“Government”, that bloated enemy sooo many put such great faith in, failed at all levels here.

Local, state , federal.

Only folks I see trying to do something positive is that poor family that took him in back in November.

Now, even their rather modest lives are torn apart.

So, let’s pass new and more cumbersome laws...

When hand A can’t, won’t, or doesn’t know what hand B is doing or saying, we end up with a situation like this.

And who is, or will be, held accountable? Other than the shooter himself? Who at the local Miami FBI field office has been fired so far?

I’ll give you a hint- it starts with N.
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RE: Given what we know today
(02-18-2018 07:14 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 12:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 11:24 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  How about this as a suggestion. Instead of waiting for someone else to propose a solution, why don't the 2nd amendment supporters make some suggestions? If as you say, you are tired of the violence, what are your ideas? Why does the responsibility fall entirely to the gun control people?

Can you make one suggestion that could reduce gun violence?

Sure. Big government needs to get off their ass and do their job. This was preventable. This was known about before it happened.

So, instead of more constitutional infringements on the law abiding citizens, get the government to do their jobs or find people who will.

Now, maybe those who are all for gun control will offer suggestions as to how we prevent illegal aliens from killing americans.
But what about the next one? And there will be a next one. You and I both know it. It seems alot of people on this board just want to ignore what's right there in front of them. I'm guessing they have no children in High School, no skin in the game. Something needs to be done or the Republicans are going to pay a steep price. The people are sick of no action. Honestly I don't know why I'm even arguing the point. It's gonna happen whether you like it or not.

The next one will happen whether you like it or not and whether you pass gun laws or not.

People on this board want to solve the problem, not just saying, "something needs to be done." And they don't want the cure to be worse than the disease. 2nd amendment supporters are thinking beyond next week.
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(02-18-2018 07:21 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 07:14 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 12:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 11:24 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  How about this as a suggestion. Instead of waiting for someone else to propose a solution, why don't the 2nd amendment supporters make some suggestions? If as you say, you are tired of the violence, what are your ideas? Why does the responsibility fall entirely to the gun control people?

Can you make one suggestion that could reduce gun violence?

Sure. Big government needs to get off their ass and do their job. This was preventable. This was known about before it happened.

So, instead of more constitutional infringements on the law abiding citizens, get the government to do their jobs or find people who will.

Now, maybe those who are all for gun control will offer suggestions as to how we prevent illegal aliens from killing americans.
But what about the next one? And there will be a next one. You and I both know it. It seems alot of people on this board just want to ignore what's right there in front of them. I'm guessing they have no children in High School, no skin in the game. Something needs to be done or the Republicans are going to pay a steep price. The people are sick of no action. Honestly I don't know why I'm even arguing the point. It's gonna happen whether you like it or not.

I think this should fall to the local government before the Feds. He was kicked out of school for having ammunition in his back pack. As someone else pointed out, if he had been arrested then, maybe this wouldn't have happened.
I find a certain amount of irony in blaming Big Govt. on a decidedly conservative board that usually argues for less big govt.
Do you want big govt when it suits you, or do you want smaller big Govt?

Wait.....so wanting the federal government to do it's damn job as charged is desiring big government?

You might be more ignorant than I originally thought.
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