(02-15-2018 12:20 PM)tigergreen Wrote: However, I do not agree that more laws wouldn't help. I'm going to try to go back & find that thread that I listed some options in so I'm not speaking off-the-cuff.
Found it - it was after the Vegas shooting, so 'bump stocks' were a hot topic, so take that into account:
-Support a crackdown on existing gun laws (certainly we can all agree on that one).
-Support a national “permit to purchase” policy.
-Support a ban on modifications like "bump stocks" (which I had never even heard of until this event) that serve no purpose other than to kill multitudes of people.
-Support across-the-board registration with fingerprints for all firearms.
-Support laws to keep those previously convicted of domestic violence and/or those with diagnosed mental health issues from getting a gun.
-Strict liability for gun owners who do not store & secure guns properly (if your gun is in your unlocked car & gets stolen, you pay.)
-Support that gun owners AND sellers be required to purchase insurance.
-Support the removal of the PLCAA, which keeps gun companies, gun shows & dealers from being able to be sued for illegal purchases.
-Support an end to ‘no questions asked’ type of gun sales (taken care of with some of the items above).
-Support improving healthcare options that provide more mental health treatment for those who need it.
The 'permit to purchase" was met with vitriol by some here, screaming about being on a list, and "omg muh guns," blah blah blah.
If we can all agree as we have earlier that the 2nd amendment is not being repealed, therefore all guns are not being taken away from you, here are the studies that showed where these things worked:
https://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-a...ernick.pdf
Missouri
REPEALED a law like this, and experienced a
14% uptick in the murder rate, and a 16% jump in the suicide by firearm rate.
After Missouri’s PTP law was repealed, the share of guns recovered from criminals that moved swiftly from a retail sale to crime involvement doubled, and the share of crime guns that originated from an in-state retail transaction doubled.
Connecticut
IMPLEMENTED a law like this, and had a
40% REDUCTION in firearm homicides (!) and a 15% reduction in firearm suicides.
There was also no "substitution effect," where criminals chose to switch to another weapon....that goes back to my earlier statement of how we have some lazy criminals in this country who aren't going to go above & beyond just to get a gun, so the "criminals will get guns one way or the other" argument is moot.
From that same study:
https://www.jhsph.edu/news/news-releases...cides.html
States with handgun purchaser licensing laws have lower rates of guns being diverted to criminals shortly after retail sale and lower rates of exporting guns to criminals in other states.
A study of guns traced to crime in 53 cities found that the PTP laws allowing police discretion were associated with 64% lower risk of guns being diverted guns to criminals within the state compared to states without such laws.
Criminals in places with PTP laws who used guns typically acquired guns that originated from states with weaker laws.
Another study found that PTP laws requiring fingerprinting of applicants were among the most effective state policies to reduce diversions of guns to criminals across state borders. PTP laws that gave law enforcement discretion in issuing permits were associated with
76% lower per capita rates of exporting guns to criminals, while PTP laws that did not allow discretion but still required fingerprinting of purchasers were associated with 45% lower rates of exporting guns to criminals in other states.