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RE: Interesting article on Ark State suing Miami
(02-15-2018 06:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (02-15-2018 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote: (02-15-2018 04:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (02-15-2018 04:43 PM)JRsec Wrote: (02-15-2018 04:19 PM)arkstfan Wrote: This varies by state but in Arkansas state agencies rarely hire outside counsel and then generally for complex litigation.
All of this is a new animal to College Football. Auburn played Syracuse the weekend after 9/11 at the Cuse. We didn't cancel. Auburn played the Canes in Miami during an actual Hurricane in the 70's. The wind was so bad that nobody punted and nobody passed. It was 2 hours of slopping pretty much inside the same 20-30 yards and was punctuated with an Auburn field goal for 3-0 win. But then I was in Legion Field watching Bo beat Bama when we had tornadoes around the stadium in Birmingham.
Richt was trying to buy out of this game before the season started and the Hurricane was just an excuse, and a flimsy one at that, since the game was safely miles away in Arkansas.
Only the current histrionic approach to weather and other feared crises makes this acceptable in the minds of the young folks. We went through Camille, not at the shoreline but close enough. It's rough and dangerous but models and path projections are so advanced today that if you are able and don't get out of the way of one then you're an idiot and whatever happens is your own fault. But in this case Miami was 3 days out from impact when the game would have been played and Arkansas was not in the strike zone.
But when I pointed all of this out at the time and said that they should sue, most folks around here were hyper defensive of the cancellation.
The bottom line was then, and is now, that claiming that college football players needed to evacuate their families when there was plenty of time for that to happen naturally, was a feeble and somewhat unbelievable excuse then and in retrospect even more specious, and the failure to play that game was inexcusable.
Not all modern practices are evidence of Political Correctness Run Amok or Millenial Snowflakism. E.g., in the 1970s when i was a kid and my parents loaded us in to our station wagon, we'd spend most of a long drive with both of them filling the car up with cigarette smoke while in the back seat nobody cared whether we were wearing our seat belts or not (usually not). I had great parents, raised all of us well, but in retrospect, we'd have been better off with the 2010+ values that say no smoke in the cabin and everyone buckled up.
In this case, it was obviously prudent for Miami to cancel the ball game, and if it just so happened to coincide with a natural desire on their part to bail on it anyway, chalk that up as a small island of good luck in an ocean of bad that closed their campus for 19 days.
AKST shouldn't win this, and I don't think they will. We'll see. 
I endured the haze of front seat cigarette smoke as well. We rolled the windows down in the back seat and hung our heads out the windows like hound dogs sniffing the breeze just to be able to breath.
But you are just dead wrong about the cancellation. As it turned out Miami was hardly touched. God help us if a crisis truly strikes this nation of histrionic idiots. Those who survive crises are prepared for them and keep their heads.
A lot of the hysteria today is because it drives ratings for the weather channel through the roof which spikes their ad revenue and does the same for the evening news. Then add in the gazillion gallons of water, tape, flashlights and batteries that are sold each time and the merchants buy into it as well. If not for the economic impact of a potential threat they would be treated with caution instead of hysteria and they wouldn't cancel a ball game 5 sates away. And this crap about the players getting back after a storm, if the hurricane made a direct hit they wouldn't be getting back anytime soon anyway. It's a matter of perspective.
Speaking of which, back when I could run for two miles at Mexico Beach without encountering another bungalow, and when most of Florida was still rural, and when every mother's son packed a firearm for forbearance of reptiles, and Clint Eastwood was still herding cows, we had a much safer America even without seatbelts, and with parents puffing away in the front seat, because it was a world where children played freely about the neighborhood without the fear of a pervert lurking close by, without dope being peddled at the neighborhood store's parking lot, without worrying about some internet loner kook shooting us at school, or somebody yelling a religious slogan in preparation for an assault. So for all of this 2010 Nanny State garbage how come things are so screwed up today? I'll take 1950's and 60's America over this nonsensical mess anytime. But then I've seen both and know the difference.
Tommy Lee Jones's character had it about right in "No Country for Old Men". It ended when kids quit saying "No Sir and Yes Sir" and they started coloring their hair and wearing bones in their noses. In other words Quo you can't have law and order and let every Tom, Dick and Harry do whatever the hell it is that suits them. Being a part of a safe society means there has to be a modicum of discipline and respect for that order and then out of that a great deal of respect for each other's privacy and free speech. We lived with liberals and conservatives and managed not to be polarized. In other words the Nanny State should never punish the innocent kid on a bus who stands up to a bully who is trying to steal his lunch or his money. They should just punish the bully.
The problem with this generation is that they want oodles of privileges and rights without any responsibility whatsoever. If somebody at McDonalds gives them coffee that is too hot they are too stupid to test it before pouring down their throats and then can't wait to sue for some free money when they should have learned some common sense. And the attorneys love it because the Nanny State mentality has helped to line their pockets. Gripe about the high cost of healthcare and you have to understand that liability insurance has been a leading contributor to it. Folks today thrive on excuses rather than pride themselves on honoring their word, and then they feel chided, or put upon for being a jerk, they hide behind the excuse of fear of injury to justify avoiding whatever it is they don't like.
I'll tell you right now, I don't want one of them in my foxhole when metal starts flying.
Old man rant over.
To me, 1950s values are fatally marred by the subjugation of African-Americans that existed at that time. Then again, it was during the 50s that values evolved and this subjugation began to end. That aside, I agree that cultural values back then were far superior to what we have today. I also grew up in a neighborhood in which doors were open and fear was largely absent. Yes, we did see scary movies in first grade about being aware of perverts offering us candy to get us in to cars, and so I guess that was real then. But we didn't have to worry about that plus shooters killing people in the schools, etc.
IMO, Miami did have the right to cancel the game, to me that is fully consistent with the terms of the contract with AKST. We'll just have to agree to disagree, and see what happens in court.
I'm fine with disagreeing over the contract matters. My initial reaction to the decision was a strong one and it hasn't changed.
Civil rights and women's rights are always excepted when I look back at what we had in the 50's and 60's. Advances in both of those areas were needed and thank you for pointing out that the changes started in that generation, actually 70 years prior. People tend to forget that. But when barriers are kicked down we always go to far and then it takes abuses for them to be returned and then that is usually an overreaction as well. Frankly I would have thought that we would have started to erect better social norms, but quite frankly there are too many profiting from the lack of them.
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Interesting article on Ark State suing Miami
