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(02-15-2018 03:16 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
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(02-15-2018 09:26 AM)airric2255 Wrote:  Yep. There is no shame in admitting defeat that Tubby Smith isn't the right fit. If you know it isn't working, why wait?

i think thats one of the more frustrating things. if you dont think you will offer him an extension, why wait? i get the idea of waiting out year 3 to see what he can do. i understand why tubby supporters say that, but what in the world makes you think yr 3 is going to produce anything better than what is currently on the court

Barring transfers and knowing what we know today, next year you are trading Connor Vanover for Jimario Rivers.

As of now. Losing Rivers is not going to hurt. We also could add a few more pieces. Not saying the team is all of a sudden going to be great but you would think they should improve by next season. They will def be better next year.

Like how?

Is Martin really going to become a 23 ppg player? Has he hit his peak or is there still more for him?

Thornton and Davenport are what they are, same for Brewton. These guys, after years of playing basketball aren't going to have some magical summer epiphany and change.

You guys fall into the "hope" notion over the "logic" notion when it comes to this every time. Just like you folks tried to convince yourselves the JUCO kids weren't really going to be JUCO level talent and somehow become upper level D1 players (and it hasn't happened) you now expect magic growth over the summer guys who pretty much are what they are.

Vanover will be a net loss next year in a trade for Rivers. Rivers doesn't do a whole lot, but he can guard multiple positions and can get up and down the court. Vanover is averaging 8 and 6 in high school, Rivers is actually averaging 7 and 4 in D1.

I think you are wrong on at least two out of Davenport, Parks, Thornton and Brewton. Jucos typically do a lot better their second season of D1 ball. We need to hope that a couple of our players can channel their inner Grice or Massie.
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(02-16-2018 01:24 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 03:16 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 11:20 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 10:33 AM)airric2255 Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 09:52 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  i think thats one of the more frustrating things. if you dont think you will offer him an extension, why wait? i get the idea of waiting out year 3 to see what he can do. i understand why tubby supporters say that, but what in the world makes you think yr 3 is going to produce anything better than what is currently on the court

Barring transfers and knowing what we know today, next year you are trading Connor Vanover for Jimario Rivers.

As of now. Losing Rivers is not going to hurt. We also could add a few more pieces. Not saying the team is all of a sudden going to be great but you would think they should improve by next season. They will def be better next year.

Like how?

Is Martin really going to become a 23 ppg player? Has he hit his peak or is there still more for him?

Thornton and Davenport are what they are, same for Brewton. These guys, after years of playing basketball aren't going to have some magical summer epiphany and change.

You guys fall into the "hope" notion over the "logic" notion when it comes to this every time. Just like you folks tried to convince yourselves the JUCO kids weren't really going to be JUCO level talent and somehow become upper level D1 players (and it hasn't happened) you now expect magic growth over the summer guys who pretty much are what they are.

Vanover will be a net loss next year in a trade for Rivers. Rivers doesn't do a whole lot, but he can guard multiple positions and can get up and down the court. Vanover is averaging 8 and 6 in high school, Rivers is actually averaging 7 and 4 in D1.

I think you are wrong on at least two out of Davenport, Parks, Thornton and Brewton. Jucos typically do a lot better their second season of D1 ball. We need to hope that a couple of our players can channel their inner Grice or Massie.

You are not allowed to have hope. Only cold hard facts...
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(02-16-2018 01:24 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 03:16 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 11:20 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 10:33 AM)airric2255 Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 09:52 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  i think thats one of the more frustrating things. if you dont think you will offer him an extension, why wait? i get the idea of waiting out year 3 to see what he can do. i understand why tubby supporters say that, but what in the world makes you think yr 3 is going to produce anything better than what is currently on the court

Barring transfers and knowing what we know today, next year you are trading Connor Vanover for Jimario Rivers.

As of now. Losing Rivers is not going to hurt. We also could add a few more pieces. Not saying the team is all of a sudden going to be great but you would think they should improve by next season. They will def be better next year.

Like how?

Is Martin really going to become a 23 ppg player? Has he hit his peak or is there still more for him?

Thornton and Davenport are what they are, same for Brewton. These guys, after years of playing basketball aren't going to have some magical summer epiphany and change.

You guys fall into the "hope" notion over the "logic" notion when it comes to this every time. Just like you folks tried to convince yourselves the JUCO kids weren't really going to be JUCO level talent and somehow become upper level D1 players (and it hasn't happened) you now expect magic growth over the summer guys who pretty much are what they are.

Vanover will be a net loss next year in a trade for Rivers. Rivers doesn't do a whole lot, but he can guard multiple positions and can get up and down the court. Vanover is averaging 8 and 6 in high school, Rivers is actually averaging 7 and 4 in D1.

I think you are wrong on at least two out of Davenport, Parks, Thornton and Brewton. Jucos typically do a lot better their second season of D1 ball. We need to hope that a couple of our players can channel their inner Grice or Massie.

That's the conventional thought, but the practical reality is they really don't.

Last three two-year JUCOs of note at Memphis:

Geron Johnson:
2012-13: 29 mpg. 44% fg, 35% 3pt. 10.4 ppg, 3.5 apg, 4.6 rpg
2013-14: 28 mpg. 41% fg. 26% 3pt. 8.9 ppg, 3.5 apg, 4.9 rpg.

Trahson Burrell:
2014-15: 24 mpg. 45% fg. 29% 3pt. 9.1 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 2 apg.
2015-16: 24 mpg: 43% fg. 32% 3pt. 10.0 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 3 apg.

Jimario Rivers:
2016-17: 22 mpg. 57% fg. 6.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1 apg.
2017-17: 24 mpg. 46% fg. 6.7 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2 apg.

As you can note, there is little separation between their junior and senior years. They are pretty much what they are.

Grice was suspended for most of his first year. Massie's numbers went way up, but his playing time also increased by 50%. Sneed's numbers actually declined from his 1st to 2nd season. Waki's playing time and production went down as better talent came into the program.
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I'm not saying they won't improve, just that it would unusual to see Davenport go from 13 & 6 to 17 & 9 or Thornton go from 5 & 4 to 10 & 6.
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(02-16-2018 09:04 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 01:24 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 03:16 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 11:20 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 10:33 AM)airric2255 Wrote:  Barring transfers and knowing what we know today, next year you are trading Connor Vanover for Jimario Rivers.

As of now. Losing Rivers is not going to hurt. We also could add a few more pieces. Not saying the team is all of a sudden going to be great but you would think they should improve by next season. They will def be better next year.

Like how?

Is Martin really going to become a 23 ppg player? Has he hit his peak or is there still more for him?

Thornton and Davenport are what they are, same for Brewton. These guys, after years of playing basketball aren't going to have some magical summer epiphany and change.

You guys fall into the "hope" notion over the "logic" notion when it comes to this every time. Just like you folks tried to convince yourselves the JUCO kids weren't really going to be JUCO level talent and somehow become upper level D1 players (and it hasn't happened) you now expect magic growth over the summer guys who pretty much are what they are.

Vanover will be a net loss next year in a trade for Rivers. Rivers doesn't do a whole lot, but he can guard multiple positions and can get up and down the court. Vanover is averaging 8 and 6 in high school, Rivers is actually averaging 7 and 4 in D1.

I think you are wrong on at least two out of Davenport, Parks, Thornton and Brewton. Jucos typically do a lot better their second season of D1 ball. We need to hope that a couple of our players can channel their inner Grice or Massie.

You are not allowed to have hope. Only cold hard facts...

Hey, I can HOPE I win the lottery, but the FACTS are that the chances are slim.

If we're on a fairytale board, we might as well talk about how Memphis will win the NCAAt this year.

Heck, we just need Martin to go super hot, have Johnson become the 40% knock down three guy we need. Have Nickel turn into a Junior-year level CDR, and have Thornton and Brewton continue their 40% plus 3pt shooting from the SMU game the next 14 games.
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You would think the team is going to be at its best the 2nd half of next season. That should be Tubbys best team here. He’ll have his current Jucos in their 3rd semester and playing their hearts out due to being seniors. Then all the new jucos who Tubby frantically recruited after getting snubbed by Harris and everyone else will be in their 2nd half of their Jr years. What current freshmen stay (Johnson and Enoh) will now be sophomores going onto juniors. Martin will be on his fairwell tour.. And Tubby might be coaching for his job. Could be a perfect storm for a tournament run? Okay okay for an NIT Tournament run?
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(02-16-2018 09:52 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  You would think the team is going to be at its best the 2nd half of next season. That should be Tubbys best team here. He’ll have his current Jucos in their 3rd semester and playing their hearts out due to being seniors. Then all the new jucos who Tubby frantically recruited after getting snubbed by Harris and everyone else will be in their 2nd half of their Jr years. What current freshmen stay (Johnson and Enoh) will now be sophomores going onto juniors. Martin will be on his fairwell tour.. And Tubby might be coaching for his job. Could be a perfect storm for a tournament run? Okay okay for an NIT Tournament run?

Even as the season has progressed, the thought wisdom is "the players will get up to speed" at D1 ball. But most haven't seen any major uptick in performance, numbers-wise (minus Parks, or course).

Davenport:
First 13 games: 13.4 ppg, 6.6 rpg. 48.3% FG, 39.1% 3pt.
Last 13 games: 12.5 ppg, 6.1 rpg. 51.4% FG, 29.7% 3pt.

Thornton:
First 13 games: 5.3 ppg, 3.8 rpg. 50% FG, 18.2% (2-11) 3pt.
Last 13 games: 3.7 ppg, 3.4 rpg. 42.1% FG, 41.7% (5-12) 3pt.

Brewton:
First 13 games: 8.4 ppg, 2.7 rpg. 1.9 ast. 41.7% FG, 20% (7-35) 3pt.
Last 13 games: 8.5 ppg, 2.8 rpg. 1.5 apg. 46.2% FG, 25% (6-24) 3pt.

Parks:
First 13 games: 3.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg. 45.8% FG. 14.5 mpg.
Last 13 games: 10.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg. 58.6% FG. 28.1 mpg.
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(02-15-2018 02:06 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 01:33 PM)jgardne Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 10:29 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Jason Smith, basically the only Tiger beat writer to not go on to a national gig.

Because when he was the beat writer he just wrote whatever Pastner wanted. Wolken and Parrish showed a spine when Cal or Pastner would feed them crap. At the very end Smith did finally join the dogpile onto Pastner but after it became evident how bad everything was.

Parrish and Wolken were fine reporting about making it rain, practice fights, etc etc.

Parrish wasn't getting any info from Cal. Wolken got info but was almost always very positive.

The Albert Means story took Gary national too, not just covering Memphis.
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(02-16-2018 10:50 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 09:52 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  You would think the team is going to be at its best the 2nd half of next season. That should be Tubbys best team here. He’ll have his current Jucos in their 3rd semester and playing their hearts out due to being seniors. Then all the new jucos who Tubby frantically recruited after getting snubbed by Harris and everyone else will be in their 2nd half of their Jr years. What current freshmen stay (Johnson and Enoh) will now be sophomores going onto juniors. Martin will be on his fairwell tour.. And Tubby might be coaching for his job. Could be a perfect storm for a tournament run? Okay okay for an NIT Tournament run?

Even as the season has progressed, the thought wisdom is "the players will get up to speed" at D1 ball. But most haven't seen any major uptick in performance, numbers-wise (minus Parks, or course).

Davenport:
First 13 games: 13.4 ppg, 6.6 rpg. 48.3% FG, 39.1% 3pt.
Last 13 games: 12.5 ppg, 6.1 rpg. 51.4% FG, 29.7% 3pt.

Thornton:
First 13 games: 5.3 ppg, 3.8 rpg. 50% FG, 18.2% (2-11) 3pt.
Last 13 games: 3.7 ppg, 3.4 rpg. 42.1% FG, 41.7% (5-12) 3pt.

Brewton:
First 13 games: 8.4 ppg, 2.7 rpg. 1.9 ast. 41.7% FG, 20% (7-35) 3pt.
Last 13 games: 8.5 ppg, 2.8 rpg. 1.5 apg. 46.2% FG, 25% (6-24) 3pt.

Parks:
First 13 games: 3.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg. 45.8% FG. 14.5 mpg.
Last 13 games: 10.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg. 58.6% FG. 28.1 mpg.
Why wouldn't you lost minutes per game for everyone

And most would say putting up the same or better numbers against better competition is IMPROVEMENT...
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(02-16-2018 10:50 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 09:52 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  You would think the team is going to be at its best the 2nd half of next season. That should be Tubbys best team here. He’ll have his current Jucos in their 3rd semester and playing their hearts out due to being seniors. Then all the new jucos who Tubby frantically recruited after getting snubbed by Harris and everyone else will be in their 2nd half of their Jr years. What current freshmen stay (Johnson and Enoh) will now be sophomores going onto juniors. Martin will be on his fairwell tour.. And Tubby might be coaching for his job. Could be a perfect storm for a tournament run? Okay okay for an NIT Tournament run?

Even as the season has progressed, the thought wisdom is "the players will get up to speed" at D1 ball. But most haven't seen any major uptick in performance, numbers-wise (minus Parks, or course).

Davenport:
First 13 games: 13.4 ppg, 6.6 rpg. 48.3% FG, 39.1% 3pt.
Last 13 games: 12.5 ppg, 6.1 rpg. 51.4% FG, 29.7% 3pt.

Thornton:
First 13 games: 5.3 ppg, 3.8 rpg. 50% FG, 18.2% (2-11) 3pt.
Last 13 games: 3.7 ppg, 3.4 rpg. 42.1% FG, 41.7% (5-12) 3pt.

Brewton:
First 13 games: 8.4 ppg, 2.7 rpg. 1.9 ast. 41.7% FG, 20% (7-35) 3pt.
Last 13 games: 8.5 ppg, 2.8 rpg. 1.5 apg. 46.2% FG, 25% (6-24) 3pt.

Parks:
First 13 games: 3.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg. 45.8% FG. 14.5 mpg.
Last 13 games: 10.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg. 58.6% FG. 28.1 mpg.

Thornton is a shooter. He can bust a trey!
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(02-16-2018 12:26 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 10:50 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 09:52 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  You would think the team is going to be at its best the 2nd half of next season. That should be Tubbys best team here. He’ll have his current Jucos in their 3rd semester and playing their hearts out due to being seniors. Then all the new jucos who Tubby frantically recruited after getting snubbed by Harris and everyone else will be in their 2nd half of their Jr years. What current freshmen stay (Johnson and Enoh) will now be sophomores going onto juniors. Martin will be on his fairwell tour.. And Tubby might be coaching for his job. Could be a perfect storm for a tournament run? Okay okay for an NIT Tournament run?

Even as the season has progressed, the thought wisdom is "the players will get up to speed" at D1 ball. But most haven't seen any major uptick in performance, numbers-wise (minus Parks, or course).

Davenport:
First 13 games: 13.4 ppg, 6.6 rpg. 48.3% FG, 39.1% 3pt.
Last 13 games: 12.5 ppg, 6.1 rpg. 51.4% FG, 29.7% 3pt.

Thornton:
First 13 games: 5.3 ppg, 3.8 rpg. 50% FG, 18.2% (2-11) 3pt.
Last 13 games: 3.7 ppg, 3.4 rpg. 42.1% FG, 41.7% (5-12) 3pt.

Brewton:
First 13 games: 8.4 ppg, 2.7 rpg. 1.9 ast. 41.7% FG, 20% (7-35) 3pt.
Last 13 games: 8.5 ppg, 2.8 rpg. 1.5 apg. 46.2% FG, 25% (6-24) 3pt.

Parks:
First 13 games: 3.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg. 45.8% FG. 14.5 mpg.
Last 13 games: 10.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg. 58.6% FG. 28.1 mpg.
Why wouldn't you lost minutes per game for everyone

And most would say putting up the same or better numbers against better competition is IMPROVEMENT...

Because there was a huge difference for Parks--nearly double the minutes.

So you have the "learning curve" early in the season and you get the "tougher competition" in conference.
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(02-16-2018 03:43 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 12:26 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 10:50 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 09:52 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  You would think the team is going to be at its best the 2nd half of next season. That should be Tubbys best team here. He’ll have his current Jucos in their 3rd semester and playing their hearts out due to being seniors. Then all the new jucos who Tubby frantically recruited after getting snubbed by Harris and everyone else will be in their 2nd half of their Jr years. What current freshmen stay (Johnson and Enoh) will now be sophomores going onto juniors. Martin will be on his fairwell tour.. And Tubby might be coaching for his job. Could be a perfect storm for a tournament run? Okay okay for an NIT Tournament run?

Even as the season has progressed, the thought wisdom is "the players will get up to speed" at D1 ball. But most haven't seen any major uptick in performance, numbers-wise (minus Parks, or course).

Davenport:
First 13 games: 13.4 ppg, 6.6 rpg. 48.3% FG, 39.1% 3pt.
Last 13 games: 12.5 ppg, 6.1 rpg. 51.4% FG, 29.7% 3pt.

Thornton:
First 13 games: 5.3 ppg, 3.8 rpg. 50% FG, 18.2% (2-11) 3pt.
Last 13 games: 3.7 ppg, 3.4 rpg. 42.1% FG, 41.7% (5-12) 3pt.

Brewton:
First 13 games: 8.4 ppg, 2.7 rpg. 1.9 ast. 41.7% FG, 20% (7-35) 3pt.
Last 13 games: 8.5 ppg, 2.8 rpg. 1.5 apg. 46.2% FG, 25% (6-24) 3pt.

Parks:
First 13 games: 3.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg. 45.8% FG. 14.5 mpg.
Last 13 games: 10.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg. 58.6% FG. 28.1 mpg.
Why wouldn't you lost minutes per game for everyone

And most would say putting up the same or better numbers against better competition is IMPROVEMENT...

Because there was a huge difference for Parks--nearly double the minutes.

So you have the "learning curve" early in the season and you get the "tougher competition" in conference.

So you admit there is improvement...

Putting up the same numbers against better comp...

And Davenport is much improved in conference than he was out of conference in less minutes.
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(02-16-2018 08:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
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(02-16-2018 12:26 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 10:50 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 09:52 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  You would think the team is going to be at its best the 2nd half of next season. That should be Tubbys best team here. He’ll have his current Jucos in their 3rd semester and playing their hearts out due to being seniors. Then all the new jucos who Tubby frantically recruited after getting snubbed by Harris and everyone else will be in their 2nd half of their Jr years. What current freshmen stay (Johnson and Enoh) will now be sophomores going onto juniors. Martin will be on his fairwell tour.. And Tubby might be coaching for his job. Could be a perfect storm for a tournament run? Okay okay for an NIT Tournament run?

Even as the season has progressed, the thought wisdom is "the players will get up to speed" at D1 ball. But most haven't seen any major uptick in performance, numbers-wise (minus Parks, or course).

Davenport:
First 13 games: 13.4 ppg, 6.6 rpg. 48.3% FG, 39.1% 3pt.
Last 13 games: 12.5 ppg, 6.1 rpg. 51.4% FG, 29.7% 3pt.

Thornton:
First 13 games: 5.3 ppg, 3.8 rpg. 50% FG, 18.2% (2-11) 3pt.
Last 13 games: 3.7 ppg, 3.4 rpg. 42.1% FG, 41.7% (5-12) 3pt.

Brewton:
First 13 games: 8.4 ppg, 2.7 rpg. 1.9 ast. 41.7% FG, 20% (7-35) 3pt.
Last 13 games: 8.5 ppg, 2.8 rpg. 1.5 apg. 46.2% FG, 25% (6-24) 3pt.

Parks:
First 13 games: 3.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg. 45.8% FG. 14.5 mpg.
Last 13 games: 10.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg. 58.6% FG. 28.1 mpg.
Why wouldn't you lost minutes per game for everyone

And most would say putting up the same or better numbers against better competition is IMPROVEMENT...

Because there was a huge difference for Parks--nearly double the minutes.

So you have the "learning curve" early in the season and you get the "tougher competition" in conference.

So you admit there is improvement...

Putting up the same numbers against better comp...

And Davenport is much improved in conference than he was out of conference in less minutes.

No...what I'm saying is everyone is supposed to improve as the season goes on. Period.

Why is Davenport playing fewer minutes? If he were more valuable, he would be playing more minutes, right? Maybe others have improved to make him less of a necessity? He's a complete garbageman/hustle player who was at least hitting threes on occasion, but has slipped in that department.

With the improvement of Parks and Davenport's inability to score on post plays, maybe that's why he has decreased minutes.

I dunno, but whatever.
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RE: Jason Smith on GP
Maybe Tubby doesn't like his hair.
02-17-2018 12:55 AM
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A lady that sits near us calls him "Tassel Top". The old guy behind us calls him "Carry On".

this is stuff you can't get sitting at home... 03-lol
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RE: Jason Smith on GP
(02-17-2018 02:13 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  A lady that sits near us calls him "Tassel Top". The old guy behind us calls him "Carry On".

this is stuff you can't get sitting at home... 03-lol

I keep wanting to see jeweled hairsticks in there.

poison dipped lol
02-17-2018 02:35 PM
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RE: Jason Smith on GP
(02-15-2018 03:16 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 11:20 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 10:33 AM)airric2255 Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 09:52 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 09:26 AM)airric2255 Wrote:  Yep. There is no shame in admitting defeat that Tubby Smith isn't the right fit. If you know it isn't working, why wait?

i think thats one of the more frustrating things. if you dont think you will offer him an extension, why wait? i get the idea of waiting out year 3 to see what he can do. i understand why tubby supporters say that, but what in the world makes you think yr 3 is going to produce anything better than what is currently on the court

Barring transfers and knowing what we know today, next year you are trading Connor Vanover for Jimario Rivers.

As of now. Losing Rivers is not going to hurt. We also could add a few more pieces. Not saying the team is all of a sudden going to be great but you would think they should improve by next season. They will def be better next year.

Like how?

Is Martin really going to become a 23 ppg player? Has he hit his peak or is there still more for him?

Thornton and Davenport are what they are, same for Brewton. These guys, after years of playing basketball aren't going to have some magical summer epiphany and change.

You guys fall into the "hope" notion over the "logic" notion when it comes to this every time. Just like you folks tried to convince yourselves the JUCO kids weren't really going to be JUCO level talent and somehow become upper level D1 players (and it hasn't happened) you now expect magic growth over the summer guys who pretty much are what they are.

Vanover will be a net loss next year in a trade for Rivers. Rivers doesn't do a whole lot, but he can guard multiple positions and can get up and down the court. Vanover is averaging 8 and 6 in high school, Rivers is actually averaging 7 and 4 in D1.
I would say Davenport has proven to be a solid D-1 player.

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RE: Jason Smith on GP
Yeah.

But any team with postseason aspirations shouldn't have their second best player be a "solid" D1 player.


That's all.
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