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OT-Notre Dame President Blasts NCAA
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This is crap, the NCAA has no credibility after not punishing North Carolina. They are a joke
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(02-14-2018 09:40 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  This is crap, the NCAA has no credibility after not punishing North Carolina. They are a joke

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Unfortunately the NCAAs hand were tied with UNC. Different situations. UNC deserved the death penalty, but it couldn't be enforced.
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(02-14-2018 12:50 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Unfortunately the NCAAs hand were tied with UNC. Different situations. UNC deserved the death penalty, but it couldn't be enforced.

No they just made up a bs excuse as to why they wouldn't punish them. They could have done something if they wanted. Its absolute crap.
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If you really think the NCAA cares about student athletes and integrity... then you are going to get worked up pretty easily. Players get paid. Players get fake grades. It happens everywhere. Is it right? No. Do I approve? No. Do I lose sleep over it? No. Do I make a post that nobody really cares about on a message board in the corner of the internet universe that very few people will ever see? ...Yes.
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(02-14-2018 12:50 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Unfortunately the NCAAs hand were tied with UNC. Different situations. UNC deserved the death penalty, but it couldn't be enforced.

In order to maintain their integrity the NCAA needed to dole out a punishment to UNC that fit the offense, and then take the loss in court if it came to that. At least then they would acknowledge the offense and display their condemnation of it They took the easy way out and this was always the obvious consequence of that.
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(02-14-2018 01:17 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 12:50 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Unfortunately the NCAAs hand were tied with UNC. Different situations. UNC deserved the death penalty, but it couldn't be enforced.

In order to maintain their integrity the NCAA needed to dole out a punishment to UNC that fit the offense, and then take the loss in court if it came to that. At least then they would acknowledge the offense and display their condemnation of it They took the easy way out and this was always the obvious consequence of that.

They actually did acknowledge the offense, but stated pretty that their hands were tied.
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(02-14-2018 01:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 01:17 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 12:50 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Unfortunately the NCAAs hand were tied with UNC. Different situations. UNC deserved the death penalty, but it couldn't be enforced.

In order to maintain their integrity the NCAA needed to dole out a punishment to UNC that fit the offense, and then take the loss in court if it came to that. At least then they would acknowledge the offense and display their condemnation of it They took the easy way out and this was always the obvious consequence of that.

They actually did acknowledge the offense, but stated pretty that their hands were tied.

And by doing so reinforced the idea that they have no control over anything relating to academics. They should NEVER have conceded that. That genie can't be put back in the bottle.
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(02-14-2018 01:36 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 01:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 01:17 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 12:50 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Unfortunately the NCAAs hand were tied with UNC. Different situations. UNC deserved the death penalty, but it couldn't be enforced.

In order to maintain their integrity the NCAA needed to dole out a punishment to UNC that fit the offense, and then take the loss in court if it came to that. At least then they would acknowledge the offense and display their condemnation of it They took the easy way out and this was always the obvious consequence of that.

They actually did acknowledge the offense, but stated pretty that their hands were tied.

And by doing so reinforced the idea that they have no control over anything relating to academics. They should NEVER have conceded that. That genie can't be put back in the bottle.

Well, they do have some control. But, its an athletic association its ties into accreditation and whether the general student body have access to the classes. You want the NCAA to go through and decide which classes should be accredited? How would they even do so?
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The NCAA is nothing more than a shell company set up by the P5 to create the false impression of fairness and provide cover for the top P5s to do whatever and cheat however they darn well please and get away with it. Its a complete joke of an organization.
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(02-14-2018 02:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 01:36 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 01:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 01:17 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 12:50 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Unfortunately the NCAAs hand were tied with UNC. Different situations. UNC deserved the death penalty, but it couldn't be enforced.

In order to maintain their integrity the NCAA needed to dole out a punishment to UNC that fit the offense, and then take the loss in court if it came to that. At least then they would acknowledge the offense and display their condemnation of it They took the easy way out and this was always the obvious consequence of that.

They actually did acknowledge the offense, but stated pretty that their hands were tied.

And by doing so reinforced the idea that they have no control over anything relating to academics. They should NEVER have conceded that. That genie can't be put back in the bottle.

Well, they do have some control. But, its an athletic association its ties into accreditation and whether the general student body have access to the classes. You want the NCAA to go through and decide which classes should be accredited? How would they even do so?

You want schools to be able to funnel kids into non educational classes instead of making the effort to live of to their mission of educating them? Academic integrity IS part of the NCAA's mission, and if the rules are not on the books to enforce it, then they need to write those rules immediately. In the mean time, not ceding their authority without any fight at all would have been a good start.
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Well, lets just hope that nothing like this happens at ODU. The NCAA won't hesitate to throw the book at us.
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(02-14-2018 03:22 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 02:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 01:36 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 01:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 01:17 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  In order to maintain their integrity the NCAA needed to dole out a punishment to UNC that fit the offense, and then take the loss in court if it came to that. At least then they would acknowledge the offense and display their condemnation of it They took the easy way out and this was always the obvious consequence of that.

They actually did acknowledge the offense, but stated pretty that their hands were tied.

And by doing so reinforced the idea that they have no control over anything relating to academics. They should NEVER have conceded that. That genie can't be put back in the bottle.

Well, they do have some control. But, its an athletic association its ties into accreditation and whether the general student body have access to the classes. You want the NCAA to go through and decide which classes should be accredited? How would they even do so?

You want schools to be able to funnel kids into non educational classes instead of making the effort to live of to their mission of educating them? Academic integrity IS part of the NCAA's mission, and if the rules are not on the books to enforce it, then they need to write those rules immediately. In the mean time, not ceding their authority without any fight at all would have been a good start.


Do I want them to funnel kids to non educational classes? No.

The NCAA cannot punish UNC for academics unless the classes violated its' own academic code. Their hands were tied. They cannot enforce this.

I believe the NCAA spent something like 20 million dollars so Im not sure I'm comforatable saying they didn't fight.

I would love for the NCAA to punish cheaters like Kentucky, UNC, Duke, etc.
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(02-14-2018 03:46 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 03:22 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 02:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 01:36 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 01:20 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  They actually did acknowledge the offense, but stated pretty that their hands were tied.

And by doing so reinforced the idea that they have no control over anything relating to academics. They should NEVER have conceded that. That genie can't be put back in the bottle.

Well, they do have some control. But, its an athletic association its ties into accreditation and whether the general student body have access to the classes. You want the NCAA to go through and decide which classes should be accredited? How would they even do so?

You want schools to be able to funnel kids into non educational classes instead of making the effort to live of to their mission of educating them? Academic integrity IS part of the NCAA's mission, and if the rules are not on the books to enforce it, then they need to write those rules immediately. In the mean time, not ceding their authority without any fight at all would have been a good start.


Do I want them to funnel kids to non educational classes? No.

The NCAA cannot punish UNC for academics unless the classes violated its' own academic code. Their hands were tied. They cannot enforce this.

I believe the NCAA spent something like 20 million dollars so Im not sure I'm comforatable saying they didn't fight.

I would love for the NCAA to punish cheaters like Kentucky, UNC, Duke, etc.

Should have slapped them with lack of institutional control and called it a day. Like I said, they may have lost in court, but at least they would have shown that they are willing to fight for something.
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(02-14-2018 03:37 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  Well, lets just hope that nothing like this happens at ODU. The NCAA won't hesitate to throw the book at us.

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(02-14-2018 02:56 PM)monarx Wrote:  The NCAA is nothing more than a shell company set up by the P5 to create the false impression of fairness and provide cover for the top P5s to do whatever and cheat however they darn well please and get away with it. Its a complete joke of an organization.

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(02-14-2018 02:56 PM)monarx Wrote:  The NCAA is nothing more than a shell company set up by the P5 to create the false impression of fairness and provide cover for the top P5s to do whatever and cheat however they darn well please and get away with it. Its a complete joke of an organization.

While I dont agree with much that the NCAA does, why would they then penalyze Notre Dame? Or Louisville? Or Syracuse?
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(02-14-2018 08:25 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 02:56 PM)monarx Wrote:  The NCAA is nothing more than a shell company set up by the P5 to create the false impression of fairness and provide cover for the top P5s to do whatever and cheat however they darn well please and get away with it. Its a complete joke of an organization.

While I dont agree with much that the NCAA does, why would they then penalyze Notre Dame? Or Louisville? Or Syracuse?
I think the biggest beef is that they are inconsistent. Enforcing the rules for seemingly minor infractions and then totally looking the other way other times.

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