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**** the NCAA- With that said our President needs to bow out and retire. Get rid of the whole lot of them, Kelly, ******* Swarbrick . This is ******.

**** the NCAA.
02-13-2018 07:57 PM
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UNC convinced the NCAA that there issue was one of accreditation which is out of the NCAAs jurisdiction

ND self reported a violation in which student athlete received improper academic benefits

Different issues from a legal standpoint but man the NCAA never misses an opportunity to look like hypocritical idiots.

If I ran a company I would hire the NCAA for PR consultation and then do the exact opposite of everything they suggest
02-13-2018 07:57 PM
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Is there any benefit to self reporting? Notre Dame has as harsh and firm expectations for student athletes as any athletic program in the country. If they can't reward integrity, but ignore actual and true wrongdoing, this is further evidence the NCAA is outdated and unnecessary.
02-13-2018 09:55 PM
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(02-13-2018 09:55 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Is there any benefit to self reporting? Notre Dame has as harsh and firm expectations for student athletes as any athletic program in the country. If they can't reward integrity, but ignore actual and true wrongdoing, this is further evidence the NCAA is outdated and unnecessary.

I think the NCAA answered that question
02-14-2018 07:29 AM
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(02-13-2018 07:57 PM)solohawks Wrote:  UNC convinced the NCAA that there issue was one of accreditation which is out of the NCAAs jurisdiction

ND self reported a violation in which student athlete received improper academic benefits

Different issues from a legal standpoint but man the NCAA never misses an opportunity to look like hypocritical idiots.

If I ran a company I would hire the NCAA for PR consultation and then do the exact opposite of everything they suggest


In the NC case I think that what constitutes a class doesn't fall under NCAA guidelines but they had emails between NC staff members talking about falsifying grades & the use of "recycled papers" to make athletes eligible so I think these two cases are somewhat similar. Both are improper academic benefits which does fall under NCAA guidelines. What the NCAA has been doing lately is ignoring some rules & creating new ones to fit their agenda. Under NCAA rules & the precedents set the ND case doesn't warrant the vacation of wins.


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02-14-2018 08:37 AM
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Moral of the story......

Self report, correct the situation, and do things the right way = Get kicked in the plumbs

Lie, cheat, skirt the rules, and do everything possible to deflect = Slap on the wrist, if that
02-14-2018 08:40 AM
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(02-13-2018 04:42 PM)TerryD Wrote:  ND self reported and cooperated.

They suspended the players immediately. No good deed....

The punishment is no big deal, though. Who really cares about "vacated wins"?

If ND would have won the NC that year, you would care. Any reference or banner or trophy related to it would have to be expunged.

And compared to what was going on at UNC; I don't get any real punishment for ND at all. The NCAA is so inconsistent.
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(02-13-2018 07:57 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  **** the NCAA- With that said our President needs to bow out and retire. Get rid of the whole lot of them, Kelly, ******* Swarbrick . This is ******.

**** the NCAA.

04-rock You should and join ACC football, also. 07-coffee3
02-14-2018 04:06 PM
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(02-13-2018 04:42 PM)TerryD Wrote:  ND self reported and cooperated.

They suspended the players immediately. No good deed....

The punishment is no big deal, though. Who really cares about "vacated wins"?

Personally, unless its really egregious, I think vacating wins is ridiculous. Vacating titles, however, should be done.
02-14-2018 06:39 PM
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Given the NCAA's non action on UNC-Chapel Hills blatant academic fraud, I don't blame ND for calling out the NCAA. UNC-Chapel Hill provided the cheating blueprint and the NCAA endorsed it.
02-17-2018 11:02 AM
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