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RE: College Football has largest attendance drop in 34 years
(02-13-2018 11:20 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 05:05 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 04:51 PM)MU88 Wrote:  All sports are having attendance issues. New stadiums and arenas are being built smaller. Remodels involve decreasing seating capacity. Lots of reasons. Too many sports. Too pricey. Technological improvements. Fans disconnect with teams/athletes. But, I think the number one reason is the changes in the interests of youth. My kids play all sorts of sports, but they don't watch any. The boy may watch Lebron. The girl may watch a bit of the Olympics, volleyball or figure skating. But, unless I drag them to a game, they would never go. I would expect attendance to continue to drop and our kids grow up.

I started taking my kids when they were four and two (their Grandmother was appreciative too). They went to every game with us through high school.
Now I buy tickets for my daughter and her family....I get to see my Grandchildren and watch Carolina football all on the same day...it's like being in the Southern part of Heaven...which it is.

Except Fedora is there and not Mack Brown?

You could get Mack Brown if you wanted. I'm sure he'd love to get back into coaching at the P5 level.
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RE: College Football has largest attendance drop in 34 years
(02-13-2018 09:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 03:01 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  So, an inherently flawed playoff structure only rewards four teams, and, basically, only four teams from major conferences.

There is no incentive to go to games if you have half of FBS basically kept at bay from the championship, and, if you are a major, the season may end after just one loss, but definitely two.

Problem with this theory is the CFP gives the G5 schools more access and exposure than any previous system.

Your snipped section on kickoff times resonated more.

You're not wrong. I think it's perception. The marketing hasn't exactly helped. The BCS bowls were a cluster that included the championship; these were the favored/legacy bowls. The playoff is about four teams. The NY6 may be every non-title BCS bowl...they aren't marketed that way.

With respect to G5 access, it's still just one spot. Only now, yes, it's guaranteed, but, again, it's this also-ran NY6 "prize." I'd counter that the committee is kind of like protection to the playoff that the BCS didn't have repelling non-majors from those games. Utah and Boise could have been snubbed a BCS title appearance, but not a BCS game. The committee can definitely determine access by rank, practically picking and choosing who goes where.

The whole thing is convoluted, and, I'd wager there's fatigue and apathy over that, too. CFB doesn't feel genuine the way other sports are. Someone referenced professional wrestling in another post or thread...yeah, that's not an operation CFB should want to be near. Lecture us or bowl us over with stats all one wants on the major/non-major schism in college football, and its traditions, legacies, "business practices," etc.; still looks and feels a bit rigged and inauthentic.

And from a sheer competitive standpoint, nothing looks right about undefeated teams sitting out of any playoff.
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RE: College Football has largest attendance drop in 34 years
i think a lot more people just prefer to watch it on tv now.
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(02-13-2018 05:17 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The younger generations don't go to live events, they live on and through their phones. as those 55 and older die so will the crowd size. That is why the NFL has been shrinking stadium size when they rebuild

I don't necessarily disagree with you that the younger generation doesn't go to live events, but the question is why?

Earlier in this thread it was stated that the total cost of attendance at a Rutgers game was between $300 to $400. That is a car payment for many young people.

So while it is easy to surmise that young people are not going games, I believe the best answer is yes because they are too expensive. This does not even factor in the alternative methods of TV which are easier and better if you are more interested in watching the game and less in the communal experience
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Not certain if anyone has said this, but the constant shifting of kickoff times to serve TV has to be hurting attendance. At one time, you could count on a Saturday afternoon game time that would allow time for tailgating beforehand and plenty of drive time to get home afterwards. Now, you don't know until two weeks ahead whether a game is at noon or 8 pm. It makes it difficult to plan attending well in advance if you have to travel to get there.

Price is definitely a factor as well. However, some of that is intentional. In the old days, teams, pro and college, added more and more seats to increase revenues. Today, they raise ticket prices (including focusing on adding premium seats and premium amenities to go with the higher prices). This will chase away the marginal fan who may have attended a game at $15 at ticket, but won't at $50. However, if done carefully, should increase total revenue.

The decline in total attendance, therefore, may not be a significant concern in isolation. A more significant concern would be any demographic shift that may be occurring, i.e., loss of younger fans. If kids and students are not attending, where will attendance and viewership be in the future? I read an interesting article about the Cubs several years ago that suggest their showing of afternoon games on free TV built a huge following among younger fans that they still benefit from today. Engaging younger fans may not maximize revenues today, but it is key to ensuring the future success of any sport.
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(02-14-2018 09:55 AM)orangefan Wrote:  Not certain if anyone has said this, but the constant shifting of kickoff times to serve TV has to be hurting attendance. At one time, you could count on a Saturday afternoon game time that would allow time for tailgating beforehand and plenty of drive time to get home afterwards. Now, you don't know until two weeks ahead whether a game is at noon or 8 pm. It makes it difficult to plan attending well in advance if you have to travel to get there.

Price is definitely a factor as well. However, some of that is intentional. In the old days, teams, pro and college, added more and more seats to increase revenues. Today, they raise ticket prices (including focusing on adding premium seats and premium amenities to go with the higher prices). This will chase away the marginal fan who may have attended a game at $15 at ticket, but won't at $50. However, if done carefully, should increase total revenue.

The decline in total attendance, therefore, may not be a significant concern in isolation. A more significant concern would be any demographic shift that may be occurring, i.e., loss of younger fans. If kids and students are not attending, where will attendance and viewership be in the future? I read an interesting article about the Cubs several years ago that suggest their showing of afternoon games on free TV built a huge following among younger fans that they still benefit from today. Engaging younger fans may not maximize revenues today, but it is key to ensuring the future success of any sport.

The tyranny of TV kickoff times is also killing early season attendance down here. Imagine a noon game in late August or early September in Houston. It's brutal. When I went up to aTm for one a couple of years ago they were pulling people out on stretchers.
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(02-13-2018 05:17 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The younger generations don't go to live events, they live on and through their phones. as those 55 and older die so will the crowd size. That is why the NFL has been shrinking stadium size when they rebuild
No, they shrink stadium size because they can raise ticket prices. They want to reduce supply.
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(02-14-2018 09:59 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 09:55 AM)orangefan Wrote:  Not certain if anyone has said this, but the constant shifting of kickoff times to serve TV has to be hurting attendance. At one time, you could count on a Saturday afternoon game time that would allow time for tailgating beforehand and plenty of drive time to get home afterwards. Now, you don't know until two weeks ahead whether a game is at noon or 8 pm. It makes it difficult to plan attending well in advance if you have to travel to get there.

Price is definitely a factor as well. However, some of that is intentional. In the old days, teams, pro and college, added more and more seats to increase revenues. Today, they raise ticket prices (including focusing on adding premium seats and premium amenities to go with the higher prices). This will chase away the marginal fan who may have attended a game at $15 at ticket, but won't at $50. However, if done carefully, should increase total revenue.

The decline in total attendance, therefore, may not be a significant concern in isolation. A more significant concern would be any demographic shift that may be occurring, i.e., loss of younger fans. If kids and students are not attending, where will attendance and viewership be in the future? I read an interesting article about the Cubs several years ago that suggest their showing of afternoon games on free TV built a huge following among younger fans that they still benefit from today. Engaging younger fans may not maximize revenues today, but it is key to ensuring the future success of any sport.

The tyranny of TV kickoff times is also killing early season attendance down here. Imagine a noon game in late August or early September in Houston. It's brutal. When I went up to aTm for one a couple of years ago they were pulling people out on stretchers.

Conversely, put games in the northeast and midwest on at 3:30 or 8 consistently from mid-October on. Yeah, **** that.

There is a big drop between the quality of the pro and college venues. "Just because the pro's do it" doesn't fly when you're on bleachers, in the cold, with terrible sightlines, or don't have the posh amenities you'll find at a pro game. It makes a compelling case to stay in the parking lot and keep on tailgating.
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The reasons are: Television

1.TV—why watch the game at the game when you can watch it on tv?

2. TV—have you seen how nice the tv’s are now?

3. TV—have you seen how cheap the tv’s are now?

4. TV—have you seen the times of day/night that the games are being forced to start at lately? Average families can’t go to a college football game late Sat night.

5. TV—have you seen the days of the week the games are being played on now? Every MAC game after September being played on Tuesday and Wednesday nights? Stupid.
Almost every college team has Thursday and Friday night games now because of, drumroll please....you guessed it! TV!

The chasing of television $ from ESPN has damn near ruined college football. It’ll get worse. Much worse.
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(02-14-2018 11:24 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The reasons are: Television

1.TV—why watch the game at the game when you can watch it on tv?

2. TV—have you seen how nice the tv’s are now?

3. TV—have you seen how cheap the tv’s are now?

4. TV—have you seen the times of day/night that the games are being forced to start at lately? Average families can’t go to a college football game late Sat night.

5. TV—have you seen the days of the week the games are being played on now? Every MAC game after September being played on Tuesday and Wednesday nights? Stupid.
Almost every college team has Thursday and Friday night games now because of, drumroll please....you guessed it! TV!

The chasing of television $ from ESPN has damn near ruined college football. It’ll get worse. Much worse.

We had to play a game this year in September at 11am. Few things are more miserable than sitting in the Houston sun and humidity on a balmy September afternoon. HD TV with free beer in an air conditioned living room is going to sound like a solid alternative to many fans. It is what it is. Start times make a huge difference. Put that same game at 7pm and you'll have a rollicking good time in a full stadium on comfortable summer like night. That rollicking nightime in stadium experience can offer something you cant find in your living room. You have to give the fans reasons to show up.
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