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RE: Trump budget aims to jump-start construction, cut red tape
(02-13-2018 10:44 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
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(02-12-2018 11:16 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Pretty simple reasoning... The federal government will give you this much money but you need to pony up the rest for this highway that resides in your state...

Very few states have that kind of money. This isn't going to work unless taxes are raised.

Again.... This is not at all odd or extreme..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Blue...Minnesota)

"The line's cost totaled $715.3 million, with $334.3 million coming from the federal government"

On many projects states are already paying more than 50% of the cost, and in many cases when you're talking roads and bridges the states are already spending a ton of money.

Has anyone ever noticed how rapidly state projects are completed compared to federal projects? The feds allow cost over runs and deadline extensions while the states apparently have stricter accountability standards.


Cause a lot of State contracts are farmed out to private Cos., with deadlines and severe penalties for overruns or delays.

Gets schit done, on time, in good order and if/when it’s on budget or even below budget it’s further incentivized by bonuses.

Gets that ass a shakin when there’s skin in the game.

When it’s your baby blue shirt, short sleeved guy in a bad knit tie pulling down a regular check each week by trying to justify his existence with red tape, we see roads take decades, not months.

The cost savings there alone could be enormous.

Call Trump all the names one would like, this kinda schit he knows about.
Likely better than these legislators writing the laws and the bureaucrats “interpreting” them.

Exactly right.
02-13-2018 10:46 AM
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RE: Trump budget aims to jump-start construction, cut red tape
A lot of misinformation in this thread.

Federal transportation money is pervasive throughout the entire system. You can get 80% federal funding to replace an existing bridge on some BFE gravel road. It doesn't have to be an interstate. Most states, counties and townships fund their bridges that way.

You can get federal funding to redo an intersection. Look up CMAQ funds for example.

Once there is a single federal dollar in a project, the whole project, design and construction, has to follow the federal process. It is burdensome.

Even if you don't have federal money in a project, you might still be talking to the Army Corps or Fish and Wildlife to get permits.

I'm not justifying it. Heck, I don't agree with it. But this IS today.
02-13-2018 10:57 AM
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Trump budget aims to jump-start construction, cut red tape
(02-13-2018 10:57 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  A lot of misinformation in this thread.

Federal transportation money is pervasive throughout the entire system. You can get 80% federal funding to replace an existing bridge on some BFE gravel road. It doesn't have to be an interstate. Most states, counties and townships fund their bridges that way.

You can get federal funding to redo an intersection. Look up CMAQ funds for example.

Once there is a single federal dollar in a project, the whole project, design and construction, has to follow the federal process. It is burdensome.

Even if you don't have federal money in a project, you might still be talking to the Army Corps or Fish and Wildlife to get permits.

I'm not justifying it. Heck, I don't agree with it. But this IS today.


Don’t disagree with any of what you’ve said.

But, local(sic) MANAGEMENT, oversight, planning, incentivizing can move things along a lot faster and more efficiently than top down. I’ve got a number of good friends doing quite well, by doing good work, on time and on budget.

They have to follow all the rules and regulations, of course, but decentralizing and privatizing the actual work, that’s when you see 8 guys working, not 2 working and 6 guys holding down shovels...
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RE: Trump budget aims to jump-start construction, cut red tape
(02-13-2018 11:14 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 10:57 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  A lot of misinformation in this thread.

Federal transportation money is pervasive throughout the entire system. You can get 80% federal funding to replace an existing bridge on some BFE gravel road. It doesn't have to be an interstate. Most states, counties and townships fund their bridges that way.

You can get federal funding to redo an intersection. Look up CMAQ funds for example.

Once there is a single federal dollar in a project, the whole project, design and construction, has to follow the federal process. It is burdensome.

Even if you don't have federal money in a project, you might still be talking to the Army Corps or Fish and Wildlife to get permits.

I'm not justifying it. Heck, I don't agree with it. But this IS today.


Don’t disagree with any of what you’ve said.

But, local(sic) MANAGEMENT, oversight, planning, incentivizing can move things along a lot faster and more efficiently than top down. I’ve got a number of good friends doing quite well, by doing good work, on time and on budget.

I would rather see the projects under local control. But you have to cut off the drug of federal money. Then the states need to raise taxes to make up for the difference. That is a difficult argument, because the local politicians are typically gutless.

There is no reason to send taxes to Washington, have 20% or whatever skimmed off for handling, and then us be happy 80% is returned to a state. It is stupid.

JMUDunk Wrote:They have to follow all the rules and regulations, of course, but decentralizing and privatizing the actual work, that’s when you see 8 guys working, not 2 working and 6 guys holding down shovels...

That really has nothing to do with the present conversation. Private contractors already build the vast majority of public works projects. If they have 2 guys working and 6 holding down shovels, the owner is losing money and won't be in business for long.
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RE: Trump budget aims to jump-start construction, cut red tape
(02-13-2018 10:57 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  A lot of misinformation in this thread.

Federal transportation money is pervasive throughout the entire system. You can get 80% federal funding to replace an existing bridge on some BFE gravel road. It doesn't have to be an interstate. Most states, counties and townships fund their bridges that way.

You can get federal funding to redo an intersection. Look up CMAQ funds for example.

Once there is a single federal dollar in a project, the whole project, design and construction, has to follow the federal process. It is burdensome.

Even if you don't have federal money in a project, you might still be talking to the Army Corps or Fish and Wildlife to get permits.

I'm not justifying it. Heck, I don't agree with it. But this IS today.
Well at least someone knows road construction. My experience with it is zero. I was using what little knowledge I had with it and was assuming.
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(02-13-2018 10:17 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
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(02-13-2018 07:01 AM)gdunn Wrote:  A. Owning a Tesla is not a must, it's a luxury.
B. What physician is going to make you purchase a Fitbit? Those are not 100% accurate on anything they tell you in the paperwork. Plus you still have to keep up with your diet.

Your argument is still invalid.

No its not. Tesla is not the only company doing this. They all are either doing this now or soon will. As far as the Fitbit. It won't be your doctor. It will be your healthcare provider that will encourage you to have a device that monitors your health. This will allow us to move from Sickcare. Which we have now. To actual healthcare.


Yea, fk that.

Then it’ll be another layer of bureaucratic nightmare staring down our every decision.

If I decide to have two over easy with peppered bacon and cheese grits, fk em, I’m havin it.

Not everyone is cut out for organic vanilla yogurt and green chai ever day...

Not the point. Monitoring your health will actually make it easier for you to have that peppered bacon and cheese grits. But it will also warn you if you are about to have a heart attack because of it. Which is good to know.
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RE: Trump budget aims to jump-start construction, cut red tape
(02-13-2018 08:28 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Higgs is still upset about net neutrality.

I'm game for it. If Spectrum wants to cut me a deal because I'm getting their slowest speed, go for it.

Still not a utility.

Then you are a fool. It's not about speed as much as its about access.
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(02-13-2018 12:47 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 08:28 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Higgs is still upset about net neutrality.

I'm game for it. If Spectrum wants to cut me a deal because I'm getting their slowest speed, go for it.

Still not a utility.

Then you are a fool. It's not about speed as much as its about access.

Yea. Access. When it hit fiber stopped being pulled a few miles from my parents. This week in the local paper thanks to the repeal, they're looking at picking up where they left off. Seems no net neutrality means more people get access.
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RE: Trump budget aims to jump-start construction, cut red tape
(02-13-2018 12:47 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 08:28 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Higgs is still upset about net neutrality.

I'm game for it. If Spectrum wants to cut me a deal because I'm getting their slowest speed, go for it.

Still not a utility.

Then you are a fool. It's not about speed as much as its about access.

I'm a fool. Says the hand that says you can't live without internet.
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(02-13-2018 12:51 PM)gdunn Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 12:47 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 08:28 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Higgs is still upset about net neutrality.

I'm game for it. If Spectrum wants to cut me a deal because I'm getting their slowest speed, go for it.

Still not a utility.

Then you are a fool. It's not about speed as much as its about access.

I'm a fool. Says the hand that says you can't live without internet.

That's not why your being a fool. I understand your point. But cheering that a company can limit what you have access to is why.
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