Does the administration have the guts to admit the Tubby hire has been a colossal failure and make a change?

They know it was mistake, we know it was a mistake and my 4-year-old daughter knows it was mistake.

The question is now whether they will find a way to eat the remaining $9 million on Tubby's contract so they can bring in someone else. It could be a matter of getting creative and causing so much friction with Tubby that he walks away or it could mean begging the big money boosters to make it happen.

Either way, we'll know in about two-three months if they have the guts.

I've no doubt the leadership team and boosters are already discussing various possibilities to financially extricate themselves from the current quagmire. I've never met a successful businessperson who doesn't explore all options when it comes to making big financial decisions.

TS's contract still has $9 million remaining for the next 3 years. The boosters know all too well that the program is going nowhere fast. They're the ones who have to come up with the big bucks to settle up with TS while structuring a new deal for the next coach.

Finding a quality head coach with who has the fire in the belly AND amazing leadership skills to excite both recruits and fans is the X factor...get a guy with the charisma/persona of a Kirk or Calipari and we'll be back to the races, folks.

NOPE.

They’re not going to eat $10M 2 years into the hire and admit to everyone that they blew the hire.

Guts? smh. I suspect if you presented a $5 million check for the buy out, the administrations 'guts' would not come into play.

No

(02-12-2018 10:57 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Guts? smh. I suspect if you presented a $5 million check for the buy out, the administrations 'guts' would not come into play.

Correct. I said guts. I did not stutter.

Someone is responsible for giving Tubby the ridiculous contract he was given. And now it will take guts to admit what we all already know and find a way out of the situation. Or, the administration sticks to the public narrative that everything is OK and they let this continue and don't fix the mistake they made.

No

(02-12-2018 10:54 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  NOPE.

They’re not going to eat $10M 2 years into the hire and admit to everyone that they blew the hire.

That's what I fear. They'll tell everyone that things are fine and that Tubby has the program moving in the right direction.

(02-12-2018 10:54 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  NOPE.

They’re not going to eat $10M 2 years into the hire and admit to everyone that they blew the hire.

I agree with this.

(02-12-2018 10:57 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Guts? smh. I suspect if you presented a $5 million check for the buy out, the administrations 'guts' would not come into play.

By the way, this has nothing to do with me or anyone else on this board coming up with money to buy out Tubby. We didn't make the mistake of giving him his contract in the first place.

It takes guts to admit a big mistake and to find a way out of a bad situation.

(02-12-2018 11:13 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 10:57 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Guts? smh. I suspect if you presented a $5 million check for the buy out, the administrations 'guts' would not come into play.

By the way, this has nothing to do with me or anyone else on this board coming up with money to buy out Tubby. We didn't make the mistake of giving him his contract in the first place.

It takes guts to admit a big mistake and to find a way out of a bad situation.

This has noting to do with 'guts', it has everything to do with money.

If anyone, either member or non member of this board comes up with a big chunk of money to help buy out Tubby, guts will not come into play. Those that put the money up to fund his contract did so hoping he was the answer. They made a mistake. Maybe they got bad advice or maybe they ignored advice and forced their hand or maybe.... It's water under the bridge.

The best, most successful entities must have some form of self-accountability and the desire, self-motivation and purpose with which to follow through. Although this is a slight tangent, all you have to do is look at Nike. Nike busted onto the scene and became the top brand in the world. It found an unprecedented system of success void of any form of regulation or accountability. As such, Nike became synonymous with sweatshops, bad practices, lack of oversight and as a result, the brand suffered in massive ways. This is really no different than what is happening at Memphis, and to be fair, at many other places. The difference is that Phil Knight had the courage, balls, wherewithal and aptitude to know that the only way to fix it...and to rebuild trust and faith in his brand...was to publicly admit that Nike made these mistakes and to pledge that change would happen immediately. All of which he followed through on. And all of which has allowed Nike not just to overcome the issues that nearly destroyed the brand...but to become the strongest brand worldwide, and one that advocates good causes. A brand that people admire, respect and flock to.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-nike-...lem-2013-5

Memphis leaders could follow a proven model by admitting their mistakes...and fixing them. Pretty easy formula so long as those in charge have the courage to make it happen.

They already know they made a bad hire. The firing issue is strictly a business decision, fear has nothing to do with it. Which costs the financiers/UM more, keeping Tubby for another year or dumping him after this year?

The people making the decision have access to the real numbers, including considerations about how the inflation rate affects the value of Tubby's buyout if deferred over 6 or 4 years, etc. We have brilliant, successful businessmen on our BOR and among our boosters who are advising our president. Let them figure this out, most of you can't balance your own damn checkbook.

(02-12-2018 01:01 PM)Cotten Wrote:  They already know they made a bad hire. The firing issue is strictly a business decision, fear has nothing to do with it. Which costs the financiers/UM more, keeping Tubby for another year or dumping him after this year?

The people making the decision have access to the real numbers, including considerations about how the inflation rate affects the value of Tubby's buyout if deferred over 6 or 4 years, etc. We have brilliant, successful businessmen on our BOR and among our boosters who are advising our president. Let them figure this out, most of you can't balance your own damn checkbook.

Agreed on all accounts. I am looking at this from a branding and marketing perspective and the bottom line is that the Memphis brand is crumbling so rapidly that it is beyond time to make a change. From the standpoint of branding, if we do not step up and step in now, it will be astronomically more costly longterm to repair and improve the brand from its currently public and national perception, which is weak, poor, incompetent and lacks passion, purpose, discipline and desire to achieve. We are laughed at, mocked and ridiculed. Memphis is a tribe and we need a leader. It doesn't take dollars to fix this.

IMO, Tubby will not be the coach here next year...

(02-12-2018 10:31 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Does the administration have the guts to admit the Tubby hire has been a colossal failure and make a change?

They know it was mistake, we know it was a mistake and my 4-year-old daughter knows it was mistake.

The question is now whether they will find a way to eat the remaining $9 million on Tubby's contract so they can bring in someone else. It could be a matter of getting creative and causing so much friction with Tubby that he walks away or it could mean begging the big money boosters to make it happen.

Either way, we'll know in about two-three months if they have the guts.

No they #DON'T have the guts and also #DON'T have the #MONEY...Tom Bowen has already come out and said as much and Calkins has written a column this weekend quoting him, those of us still holding out hope for a change will be severly disappointed. He'll get a year three...all that remains to be is what level the opening attendance will be for the first games next year.

One thing they could try on the friction level is telling him to can his son and maybe if they do that he'll refuse and they'll be able to fire him for cause. I doubt he's stupid enough to do that but you can give it a try.

They cannot hide the fact that "they blew the hire". The record speaks for itself.

Well the Admin can deny it was a mistake. It's pretty easy.

They just say...Tubby needs more time to 'rebuild' the program.

But I'm standing with the fans who say this is his last season.

(02-12-2018 10:31 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Does the administration have the guts to admit the Tubby hire has been a colossal failure and make a change?

They know it was mistake, we know it was a mistake and my 4-year-old daughter knows it was mistake.

The question is now whether they will find a way to eat the remaining $9 million on Tubby's contract so they can bring in someone else. It could be a matter of getting creative and causing so much friction with Tubby that he walks away or it could mean begging the big money boosters to make it happen.

Either way, we'll know in about two-three months if they have the guts.

I say no. Tubby Time again next year. Will make the NIT with a senior laden team and then Tubby and staff will get a raise and an extension before all the wheels fall off in year 4.

lordy...stop saying that.