(02-17-2018 04:00 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 03:42 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 03:34 PM)Tigx Wrote:  MTiger, I admire your patience, but you cannot make it simple enough for Stammers to comprehend. The ignore feature is your friend.

Only used it once in my life, and that only for a few weeks. You'll never guess who.

Funny. Have only used it twice. CUSA and him.

Quote:Funny. Have only used it twice. CUSA and 12 times with him.

FIFY

Why does everyone say our schedule is weaker this year...

Based on RPI I think it is about the same or better than last year.

(02-17-2018 05:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Why does everyone say our schedule is weaker this year...

Based on RPI I think it is about the same or better than last year.

Kenpom says last year's overall SOS 101st w/ and ooc of 283.

This year's is 117th w/ an ooc of 317.

I'm guessing the overall is still a work in progress w/ the remaining four games to go.

We're splitting hairs on the schedule. It's weak by any measurement & has been trend since JP became coach & could set the schedule.

(02-18-2018 08:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  We're splitting hairs on the schedule. It's weak by any measurement & has been trend since JP became coach & could set the schedule.

Just simply responding to the previous question as to "why?" nothing more, nothing less.

(02-18-2018 08:53 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 05:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Why does everyone say our schedule is weaker this year...

Based on RPI I think it is about the same or better than last year.

Kenpom says last year's overall SOS 101st w/ and ooc of 283.

This year's is 117th w/ an ooc of 317.

I'm guessing the overall is still a work in progress w/ the remaining four games to go.

RPI...

Last year was in the 140's and this year is projected to be 110. So there is that...

Seems like last year everyone was touting our RPI when these discussions went on...I guess because last year our RPI was worse than our kenpom.

Hey I am with you Tubby is not getting the job done but so many people are throwing facts out there that fit their stories and ignoring others that do not...And people just accept it...Sad actually.

The schedule deal has gone unchallenged for so long many accept it as a fact.

Based on the RPI stats above I could state the schedule is much better than last years...But that is just as silly as the statement that currently gets parroted here.

(02-18-2018 09:02 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 08:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  We're splitting hairs on the schedule. It's weak by any measurement & has been trend since JP became coach & could set the schedule.

Just simply responding to the previous question as to "why?" nothing more, nothing less.

Is the schedule much worse like keeps getting parroted by people here?

It is just a talking point that people keep repeating and everyone just thinks it is true.

(02-18-2018 09:35 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 09:02 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 08:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  We're splitting hairs on the schedule. It's weak by any measurement & has been trend since JP became coach & could set the schedule.

Just simply responding to the previous question as to "why?" nothing more, nothing less.

Is the schedule much worse like keeps getting parroted by people here?

It is just a talking point that people keep repeating and everyone just thinks it is true.

Comparing last year to this year's schedule is splitting hairs. Go back and look at Calipari's schedules, especially OOC versus most of JP's schedules (those he orchestrated once he was coach for a couple of seasons) versus everything since Calipari - dramatic difference. But this year's schedule was projected preseason to be slightly stronger than last year.

All I know is some things don't change no matter what the numbers say.

We were the Gamecocks worse loss last year...and now we're Temple's.

We might get to be Houston's worse loss, though.

Tubby will get the program back to where it needs to be. He inherited a dysfunctional mess, which meant parting ways with a father/son arrangement which is still undermining the program. He’ll get the blue collar kids needed to lay the foundation and then find the 4-5 star kids to compliment them.

(02-18-2018 01:44 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Tubby will get the program back to where it needs to be. He inherited a dysfunctional mess, which meant parting ways with a father/son arrangement which is still undermining the program. He’ll get the blue collar kids needed to lay the foundation and then find the 4-5 star kids to compliment them.

And you know this how exactly? Not trying or wanting to argue, just a fair question. Also, when will the program be back where it needs to be? And when will we get four and five star guys? I’d love for all of what you said to happen, but how long do WE have to wait?

(02-17-2018 03:27 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 03:13 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 02:20 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 01:25 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 10:09 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  You haven't proven anything. You've tried to use empiracle evidence to give credence to your speculation of what happened like most others have done. The fact is, unless you're the player, you don't know whether quitting on the team did or did not take place. The thing I haven't seen anyone point out is that you don't usually see players quit trying to get their shots. You usually see them quit on defense. And one look at the opponents' margins of victory in the last two games would make it a hard sell that we were giving it everything on defense.

You have proven even less.

- Our players were exhausted
- Tubby's teams always play like crap at the end of the season
- SMU was a much better team than us
- Maybe the team quit against UCF; I don't blame them
- Markel, Randall and Clergeot really really quit

Tubby 2013
- Get off to a 15-1 start and are ranked #8
- Limp in at 5-11 before the NCAA Tournament
- Lose last 3 Big Ten games to under .500 Purdue and Nebraska and Illinois at the buzzer

Did Tubby's 2013 team quit or is Tubby a **** coach whose teams always play like crap at the end of the season?

One difference between you and me has always been that I don't make the type of inane claims that you do -- like I have PROVEN what someone was thinking. And you'll notice that I am also going to refrain from calling you a dimwit. That's another difference between us.

Your claims are exactly that. My claims are backed up by 12 years of Tubby in 3 very different environments. Actually, you can go back 14 years and make the same claims with them being historically factual. Tubby's 2007 team at Kentucky finished 4-5 before the NCAA Tournament and his 2006 team finished 3-3 beforehand.

Me
- 14 year sample size
- 4 completely different environments
- Identical or near identical results for 14 years

You
- Gibberish
- Because I said so

Talk about inane.

Let me make this very simple for you. I said you did not PROVE anything one way or the other about whether the players quit, because that is literally impossible to do. It involves the thoughts in the players minds and cannot BE proven, empirically or any other way, without a direct admission from the players. THAT'S the reason I took issue with your inane claim.

I couldn't care less about your inability to differentiate between C-USA/AAC and Big XII/B1G basketball competition, which was your original starting point months ago with this same argument about how Josh was a better coach than Tubby because he did better in conference (or using your terminology, during the last _____ games of the season.)

Since we have nearly two years of data since the circumstances have been switched between Josh and Tubby (tough league vs lesser league), let's see how well your argument holds water, now.

Tubby in the American: 16-16
Josh in the ACC: 12-20

Oh my.

#Snicker

Drops mic

(02-18-2018 02:11 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 03:27 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 03:13 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 02:20 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 01:25 PM)Stammers Wrote:  You have proven even less.

- Our players were exhausted
- Tubby's teams always play like crap at the end of the season
- SMU was a much better team than us
- Maybe the team quit against UCF; I don't blame them
- Markel, Randall and Clergeot really really quit

Tubby 2013
- Get off to a 15-1 start and are ranked #8
- Limp in at 5-11 before the NCAA Tournament
- Lose last 3 Big Ten games to under .500 Purdue and Nebraska and Illinois at the buzzer

Did Tubby's 2013 team quit or is Tubby a **** coach whose teams always play like crap at the end of the season?

One difference between you and me has always been that I don't make the type of inane claims that you do -- like I have PROVEN what someone was thinking. And you'll notice that I am also going to refrain from calling you a dimwit. That's another difference between us.

Your claims are exactly that. My claims are backed up by 12 years of Tubby in 3 very different environments. Actually, you can go back 14 years and make the same claims with them being historically factual. Tubby's 2007 team at Kentucky finished 4-5 before the NCAA Tournament and his 2006 team finished 3-3 beforehand.

Me
- 14 year sample size
- 4 completely different environments
- Identical or near identical results for 14 years

You
- Gibberish
- Because I said so

Talk about inane.

Let me make this very simple for you. I said you did not PROVE anything one way or the other about whether the players quit, because that is literally impossible to do. It involves the thoughts in the players minds and cannot BE proven, empirically or any other way, without a direct admission from the players. THAT'S the reason I took issue with your inane claim.

I couldn't care less about your inability to differentiate between C-USA/AAC and Big XII/B1G basketball competition, which was your original starting point months ago with this same argument about how Josh was a better coach than Tubby because he did better in conference (or using your terminology, during the last _____ games of the season.)

Since we have nearly two years of data since the circumstances have been switched between Josh and Tubby (tough league vs lesser league), let's see how well your argument holds water, now.

Tubby in the American: 16-16
Josh in the ACC: 12-20

Oh my.

#Snicker

Drops mic

I haven’t read the back and forth. But looking at those records one has to admit that both records suck. One sucks more but the comp is tougher. Both won’t be at the job long term.

(02-18-2018 08:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  We're splitting hairs on the schedule. It's weak by any measurement & has been trend since JP became coach & could set the schedule.

How many years was the home OOC schedule good when Cal was here?

(02-18-2018 03:33 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 02:11 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 03:27 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I couldn't care less about your inability to differentiate between C-USA/AAC and Big XII/B1G basketball competition, which was your original starting point months ago with this same argument about how Josh was a better coach than Tubby because he did better in conference (or using your terminology, during the last _____ games of the season.)

Since we have nearly two years of data since the circumstances have been switched between Josh and Tubby (tough league vs lesser league), let's see how well your argument holds water, now.

Tubby in the American: 16-16
Josh in the ACC: 12-20

Oh my.

#Snicker

Drops mic

I haven’t read the back and forth. But looking at those records one has to admit that both records suck. One sucks more but the comp is tougher. Both won’t be at the job long term.

You see, Joe, you get it, and all you did was skim.

(02-18-2018 02:11 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 03:27 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 03:13 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 02:20 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 01:25 PM)Stammers Wrote:  You have proven even less.

- Our players were exhausted
- Tubby's teams always play like crap at the end of the season
- SMU was a much better team than us
- Maybe the team quit against UCF; I don't blame them
- Markel, Randall and Clergeot really really quit

Tubby 2013
- Get off to a 15-1 start and are ranked #8
- Limp in at 5-11 before the NCAA Tournament
- Lose last 3 Big Ten games to under .500 Purdue and Nebraska and Illinois at the buzzer

Did Tubby's 2013 team quit or is Tubby a **** coach whose teams always play like crap at the end of the season?

One difference between you and me has always been that I don't make the type of inane claims that you do -- like I have PROVEN what someone was thinking. And you'll notice that I am also going to refrain from calling you a dimwit. That's another difference between us.

Your claims are exactly that. My claims are backed up by 12 years of Tubby in 3 very different environments. Actually, you can go back 14 years and make the same claims with them being historically factual. Tubby's 2007 team at Kentucky finished 4-5 before the NCAA Tournament and his 2006 team finished 3-3 beforehand.

Me
- 14 year sample size
- 4 completely different environments
- Identical or near identical results for 14 years

You
- Gibberish
- Because I said so

Talk about inane.

Let me make this very simple for you. I said you did not PROVE anything one way or the other about whether the players quit, because that is literally impossible to do. It involves the thoughts in the players minds and cannot BE proven, empirically or any other way, without a direct admission from the players. THAT'S the reason I took issue with your inane claim.

I couldn't care less about your inability to differentiate between C-USA/AAC and Big XII/B1G basketball competition, which was your original starting point months ago with this same argument about how Josh was a better coach than Tubby because he did better in conference (or using your terminology, during the last _____ games of the season.)

Since we have nearly two years of data since the circumstances have been switched between Josh and Tubby (tough league vs lesser league), let's see how well your argument holds water, now.

Tubby in the American: 16-16
Josh in the ACC: 12-20

Oh my.

#Snicker

Drops mic

Post seasons
1 Pastner
0 Tubby

Tubby Conference Since Kentucky
80-114

Tubby In Conference Since Kentucky February - March
42-77

Quote:Since we have nearly two years of data since the circumstances have been switched between Josh and Tubby (tough league vs lesser league), let's see how well your argument holds water, now.

Getting back to your original dumb argument. Let's look at apples to apples. Pastner versus Tubby in non P5 conference play.

Pastner 81-36
Tubby 16-16

Or we can look at Pastner versus since the AAC.
Pastner 30-24
Tubby 16-16

Or we can just talk about the overall dumbness of your argument, which is that we have a laughingstock program where 5 of our sheeple celebrate seasons where we get drilled by most teams with a pulse, barely squeak by against crappy teams and depend on other teams having players missing to squeak out many of those wins.

The future is bright though. Vanover will save us.

(02-18-2018 03:54 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 03:33 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 02:11 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 03:27 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I couldn't care less about your inability to differentiate between C-USA/AAC and Big XII/B1G basketball competition, which was your original starting point months ago with this same argument about how Josh was a better coach than Tubby because he did better in conference (or using your terminology, during the last _____ games of the season.)

Since we have nearly two years of data since the circumstances have been switched between Josh and Tubby (tough league vs lesser league), let's see how well your argument holds water, now.

Tubby in the American: 16-16
Josh in the ACC: 12-20

Oh my.

#Snicker

Drops mic

I haven’t read the back and forth. But looking at those records one has to admit that both records suck. One sucks more but the comp is tougher. Both won’t be at the job long term.

You see, Joe, you get it, and all you did was skim.

Joe gets it, correct? Pastner and Tubby suck, correct?

You're making a fool of yourself. Do I need to say that in French?

(02-18-2018 05:48 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  You're making a fool of yourself. Do I need to say that in French?

Post season
1 Pastner
0 Tubby

Tubby Conference Record Since Kentucky
80-114

Tubby Conference Record Since Kentucky February - March
42-77

Tubby's February - March record pro rated to a 33 game season averages out to 12-21.

(02-18-2018 09:33 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 05:48 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  You're making a fool of yourself. Do I need to say that in French?

Post season
1 Pastner
0 Tubby

Tubby Conference Record Since Kentucky
80-114

Tubby Conference Record Since Kentucky February - March
42-77

Tubby's February - March record pro rated to a 33 game season averages out to 12-21.

Pastner sucked with good recruiting. Easy to win in C-USA, not so easy when the competition gets better.

Unlike you, I actually went to school at Memphis. I hate to say it (although we all know it), it’s an awful school academically. It’s a commuter school pooled with a bunch of other rejects.

Those that think we are so incredibly appealing to top 100 recruits, I think we are starting to see otherwise. Cal made this program a big time program. Pastner, being a really hard working recruiter, was able to continue to get good players for years based on that reputation. Unfortunately, he underachieved big time and really soured the local kids on Memphis. He got fired due to declining attendance and not doing squat in the NCAA.

They hired Tubby. In my estimation he was a C+ hire. He was coming off a really decent turnaround at TT (Big 12 Coach of the Year). He had a history of getting down programs into the NCAA by year 3, although not much after that. We were looking to be seen as a big time program and thought we had a very good shot at the Big 12. I get the decision making process, but things have gone haywire since he was hired.

We pay a top salary, but run an athletic budget in a shoestring. I don’t think the university is willing to pay out a $10 million dollar salary (even over 6 years) on the hope that the new guy will succeed where the part 2 have failed. What happens when Penny (or whoever we hire) doesn’t get it done? Are we going to pay him out after 2 years too?