(02-12-2018 11:18 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  I will repeat it again for the Tubby haters in the back with their fingers in their ears. While you may want to hamstring your program luckily your President and AD are smarter than that (maybe that's why they're in charge and you're not). No one worth a damn will touch this job if Tubby gets two years. Well no one who is a good coach. Tubby is there until the end of next year at least. Probably the year after that.

Probably so...hence why Memphis might "gamble" on someone without college experience like Penny.

Memphis attendance has dropped basically by 2/3 from just a few years ago...as they went from coming close to selling out the 18,000 plus seat FedEx Forum for many of their games (usually ranked Top 12 or so in Yearly Attendance), to now struggling to get 6,000 to show up for many of their games.

The need to sell tix might trump X's and 0's needs...especially if top candidates don't want to take this year....and thats where Penny could fit in (at least for 2 years).

Houston and Clyde Drexler even think this is funny.

(02-12-2018 11:31 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 11:18 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  I will repeat it again for the Tubby haters in the back with their fingers in their ears. While you may want to hamstring your program luckily your President and AD are smarter than that (maybe that's why they're in charge and you're not). No one worth a damn will touch this job if Tubby gets two years. Well no one who is a good coach. Tubby is there until the end of next year at least. Probably the year after that.

Probably so...hence why Memphis might "gamble" on someone without college experience like Penny.

Memphis attendance has dropped basically by 2/3 from just a few years ago...as they went from coming close to selling out the 18,000 plus seat FedEx Forum for many of their games (usually ranked Top 12 or so in Yearly Attendance), to now struggling to get 6,000 to show up for many of their games.

The need to sell tix might trump X's and 0's needs...especially if top candidates don't want to take this year....and thats where Penny could fit in (at least for 2 years).

Try again the Memphis attendance has been slipping since Pastner. . .and no Memphis will not be gambling with their program. They have a long view, if penny or the next coach fails they will be in a lot of trouble. Tubby getting them going the right direction is best. Barring that the next coach absolutely must succeed or a Houston like period of irrelevance is possible.


Here is an article about a one year drop of 15% in 2015 alone. Over all attendance at all sports is taking a dip. So some of the fall is their team, some is over all sports attendance decline.

https://m.memphisflyer.com/TigerBlue/arc...n-to-worry

(02-12-2018 11:31 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Houston and Clyde Drexler even think this is funny.

Recruiting talent can overcome coaching deficiencies, and he was able to get some big recruits at the time to commit, but then they always seemed to have grade issues and several ended up not qualifying.

Clyde's lack of coaching skill was exposed and then he just kinda gave up and quit.

Just another one of the many reasons UH hoops sucked for so long.

(02-12-2018 11:25 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 11:18 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  Umm who are these national recruits Penny Hardaway will bring lol? He's a high school coach who had a cup of coffee in the NBA before any of these recruits were born. Don't get me wrong he was a good player (with Shaq) and lil penny was awesome. But none of these kids know that.

I just listed 3 top 80 kids in 2019 who start for him now.

15 years in the NBA is a cup of coffee? Maybe he'll pull out his Olympic gold medal to show those kids who don't remember him.

He's not Jordan, no one not steeped in Memphis history will know him, hell he played for Memphis State most kids wouldn't even know Memphis use to be called that.

I'm not arguing his NBA career (which really is average at best barring a short period of good/great play 94-97) and his gold medal is nice and will get him some credit, if he can get in the door. The problem is when he calls the kid for the first time they are going to say who?? He comes with no college experience, compliance or recruiting experience. Hell he hasn't even been a high school coach for too long. But then we come to the Crux of the issue for all the tubby haters and the local Memphis media.

The local kids, I swear it's like putting them on the rack for Tubby not to even look at these kids. How dare he not want them these future Jordan's and hall of famers. How dare he not recognize the greatness of Memphis high school basketball and by default the greatness of the city of Memphis.

Let me remind you of three crucial points:

1) recruiting rankings particularly in basketball are garbage, no one sees enough players and then their are all the personal things that change for a 17 or 18 year old kid. Hell there were busts in college of players who the NBA graded first round draft choices and straight out of high school kids who flopped. Pastner had stacked classes and you all didn't do so hot.

2) local kids come with baggage and recent local recruits have been an issue at Memphis.

3) Tubby clearly recognizes talent and can land it. Most of Texas Tech's team destroying the big Xii are his, and I believe all 5 senior starters are too. He has produced NCAA teams by his third year at every school he has coached at which means those teams were dominately his players.

(02-12-2018 01:01 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 11:31 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Houston and Clyde Drexler even think this is funny.

Recruiting talent can overcome coaching deficiencies, and he was able to get some big recruits at the time to commit, but then they always seemed to have grade issues and several ended up not qualifying.

Clyde's lack of coaching skill was exposed and then he just kinda gave up and quit.

Just another one of the many reasons UH hoops sucked for so long.

The grades are just one issue a new college coach could struggle with in compliance. Lots of talented players have to go prep or j.c. for grades, test scores, discipline problems, etc they're div 1 talent but don't make it other ways. Same thing if you don't understand how each talented player will fit with the others.

(02-12-2018 12:59 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 11:31 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 11:18 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  I will repeat it again for the Tubby haters in the back with their fingers in their ears. While you may want to hamstring your program luckily your President and AD are smarter than that (maybe that's why they're in charge and you're not). No one worth a damn will touch this job if Tubby gets two years. Well no one who is a good coach. Tubby is there until the end of next year at least. Probably the year after that.

Probably so...hence why Memphis might "gamble" on someone without college experience like Penny.

Memphis attendance has dropped basically by 2/3 from just a few years ago...as they went from coming close to selling out the 18,000 plus seat FedEx Forum for many of their games (usually ranked Top 12 or so in Yearly Attendance), to now struggling to get 6,000 to show up for many of their games.

The need to sell tix might trump X's and 0's needs...especially if top candidates don't want to take this year....and thats where Penny could fit in (at least for 2 years).

Try again the Memphis attendance has been slipping since Pastner. . .and no Memphis will not be gambling with their program. They have a long view, if penny or the next coach fails they will be in a lot of trouble. Tubby getting them going the right direction is best. Barring that the next coach absolutely must succeed or a Houston like period of irrelevance is possible.


Here is an article about a one year drop of 15% in 2015 alone. Over all attendance at all sports is taking a dip. So some of the fall is their team, some is over all sports attendance decline.

https://m.memphisflyer.com/TigerBlue/arc...n-to-worry

As I noted..."from a few years ago".

In 2011-2012 (Pastner's 3rd season at Memphis), Tigers were #11 in College Hoop Attendance as they averaged 16,234 per game.

In 2012-2013 (Pastner's 4th season at Memphis), Tigers were #11 in College Hoop Attendance as they averaged 16,336 fans per game.

In 2013-2014 (Pastner's 5th season at Memphis), Tigers were #10 in College Hoop Attendance as they averaged 16,121 fans per game.

In 2014-2015 (Pastner's 6th at Memphis), Tigers fell to #21 in College Hoop Announced Attendance as they averaged 13,915 announced fans per game.

In 2015-2016 (Pastner's last in Memphis), Tigers fell to #30 in College Hoop Announced Attendance as they averaged 12,028.

Last year (Tubby's first season at Memphis), Tigers fell to #46 in College Hoop Announced Attendance as they averaged 9,622.

This year, (Tubby's 2nd), Tigers are now averaging just 6,208 in announced attendance average in the 18,119 seat FedEx Forum...which would knock them out of the Top 50.

NOTE: Heard a rumor that Memphis AD wants to move Memphis Men's Basketball from the cavernous NBA Arena which they don't need now to back-to-campus and play in the 2,500 seat Fieldhouse that the Women's team and Volleyball teams play in.

UCF has owned Memphis in football and is now en route to owning Memphis in basketball.

(02-12-2018 01:18 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 11:25 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 11:18 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  Umm who are these national recruits Penny Hardaway will bring lol? He's a high school coach who had a cup of coffee in the NBA before any of these recruits were born. Don't get me wrong he was a good player (with Shaq) and lil penny was awesome. But none of these kids know that.

I just listed 3 top 80 kids in 2019 who start for him now.

15 years in the NBA is a cup of coffee? Maybe he'll pull out his Olympic gold medal to show those kids who don't remember him.

He's not Jordan, no one not steeped in Memphis history will know him, hell he played for Memphis State most kids wouldn't even know Memphis use to be called that.

I'm not arguing his NBA career (which really is average at best barring a short period of good/great play 94-97) and his gold medal is nice and will get him some credit, if he can get in the door. The problem is when he calls the kid for the first time they are going to say who?? He comes with no college experience, compliance or recruiting experience. Hell he hasn't even been a high school coach for too long. But then we come to the Crux of the issue for all the tubby haters and the local Memphis media.

The local kids, I swear it's like putting them on the rack for Tubby not to even look at these kids. How dare he not want them these future Jordan's and hall of famers. How dare he not recognize the greatness of Memphis high school basketball and by default the greatness of the city of Memphis.

Let me remind you of three crucial points:

1) recruiting rankings particularly in basketball are garbage, no one sees enough players and then their are all the personal things that change for a 17 or 18 year old kid. Hell there were busts in college of players who the NBA graded first round draft choices and straight out of high school kids who flopped. Pastner had stacked classes and you all didn't do so hot.

2) local kids come with baggage and recent local recruits have been an issue at Memphis.

3) Tubby clearly recognizes talent and can land it. Most of Texas Tech's team destroying the big Xii are his, and I believe all 5 senior starters are too. He has produced NCAA teams by his third year at every school he has coached at which means those teams were dominately his players.

clueless

Texas Tech plays 10 guys. 3 of them are Tubby's. 5 of their top 7 scorers are Beard's recruits. But the fact that you believe that a guy who hasn't finished about .500 in conference play in over 10 years is a good coach, tells me all I need to know about your judgment of Hardaway and his standing in today's AAU world.

(02-12-2018 01:53 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  UCF has owned Memphis in football and is now en route to owning Memphis in basketball.

T


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You UCF and Tulsa guys must still hold grudges against Memphis from back in Cusa 2.0 days when we'd make y'all look like the Washington Generals.

In Tulsa's case, probably goes back to the 60s Mvc.

(02-12-2018 11:03 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 10:15 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 07:37 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  UCF beats Memphis for the 4th time in a row and now the vultures are circling in Memphis.

Scathing article in Memphis paper that noted a pregame fight between 2 players and how a former Memphis Great that was inducted into their Wall of Fame (Anderson) at halftime, when asked if Tubby Smith was the right man for the job, he said No....and Tubby Smith basically agreed with him in post-game comments.

It sounds like Tubby wants to be fired and if he is, Memphis will owe him $9.75 Million ($3.25 Million for next 3 years).

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...efeat-row/

Any program that loses 4 straight to UCF in basketball has hit rock bottom. There is a reason the vultures are circling.

No...as UCF has turned into a pretty good hoop program over the last 2 years.

UCF is now 17-13 in conf play over the last 2 seasons, even with all of their injuries, lost scholarships (transfer redshirts, etc...).

Now if you would have replaced UCF with say usf or ECU...then yes, that would mean Memphis would mean the Tigers have hit rock bottom. (Memphis has already lost to ECU once this year).

So UCF is barely above .500 in conference play over the last 2 years and you are bragging about that? Get back to me when UCF actually makes it back to the NCAA Tournament then you can beat your chest. When was the last year UCF even made the tournament? Was it 2005?

When Memphis gets swept by a program that has only made 4 appearances in the NCAA Tournament and has never won a tournament game, we have hit rock bottom. I don't think Memphis can be scraping the bottom of the barrel any more than they are right now.

(02-12-2018 02:22 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 11:03 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 10:15 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 07:37 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  UCF beats Memphis for the 4th time in a row and now the vultures are circling in Memphis.

Scathing article in Memphis paper that noted a pregame fight between 2 players and how a former Memphis Great that was inducted into their Wall of Fame (Anderson) at halftime, when asked if Tubby Smith was the right man for the job, he said No....and Tubby Smith basically agreed with him in post-game comments.

It sounds like Tubby wants to be fired and if he is, Memphis will owe him $9.75 Million ($3.25 Million for next 3 years).

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...efeat-row/

Any program that loses 4 straight to UCF in basketball has hit rock bottom. There is a reason the vultures are circling.

No...as UCF has turned into a pretty good hoop program over the last 2 years.

UCF is now 17-13 in conf play over the last 2 seasons, even with all of their injuries, lost scholarships (transfer redshirts, etc...).

Now if you would have replaced UCF with say usf or ECU...then yes, that would mean Memphis would mean the Tigers have hit rock bottom. (Memphis has already lost to ECU once this year).

So UCF is barely above .500 in conference play over the last 2 years and you are bragging about that? Get back to me when UCF actually makes it back to the NCAA Tournament then you can beat your chest. When was the last year UCF even made the tournament? Was it 2005?

When Memphis gets swept by a program that has only made 4 appearances in the NCAA Tournament and has never won a tournament game, we have hit rock bottom. I don't think Memphis can be scraping the bottom of the barrel any more than they are right now.

No...not bragging...just noting how there is a pretty wide gap between usf/ECU at the bottom of the conf and UCF.

That's all...which would have made the previous statement (Memphis hit rock bottom) more profound and accurate.

Losing to a team above .500 isn't hitting rock bottom but losing to the 11th or last place team would be. (And yes, I realize Memphis has already lost to ECU this year).

(02-12-2018 02:22 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 11:03 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 10:15 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 07:37 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  UCF beats Memphis for the 4th time in a row and now the vultures are circling in Memphis.

Scathing article in Memphis paper that noted a pregame fight between 2 players and how a former Memphis Great that was inducted into their Wall of Fame (Anderson) at halftime, when asked if Tubby Smith was the right man for the job, he said No....and Tubby Smith basically agreed with him in post-game comments.

It sounds like Tubby wants to be fired and if he is, Memphis will owe him $9.75 Million ($3.25 Million for next 3 years).

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...efeat-row/

Any program that loses 4 straight to UCF in basketball has hit rock bottom. There is a reason the vultures are circling.

No...as UCF has turned into a pretty good hoop program over the last 2 years.

UCF is now 17-13 in conf play over the last 2 seasons, even with all of their injuries, lost scholarships (transfer redshirts, etc...).

Now if you would have replaced UCF with say usf or ECU...then yes, that would mean Memphis would mean the Tigers have hit rock bottom. (Memphis has already lost to ECU once this year).

So UCF is barely above .500 in conference play over the last 2 years and you are bragging about that? Get back to me when UCF actually makes it back to the NCAA Tournament then you can beat your chest. When was the last year UCF even made the tournament? Was it 2005?

When Memphis gets swept by a program that has only made 4 appearances in the NCAA Tournament and has never won a tournament game, we have hit rock bottom. I don't think Memphis can be scraping the bottom of the barrel any more than they are right now.

We're not bragging about anything, just enjoying the fact that while UCF has always owned Memphis in football, we do as well in basketball now too.

PS- it's not missed on UCF fans that a lot of the chest thumping from Memphis fans comes from bragging about seasons in which we now know that Cal was cheating. Like every other job he's ever had.

I like UCF's trajectory for building a program over the last 4 years more than I do Memphis'. Seem to have a good administration and they made a great hire who had a good foundation in place. They feel like a team that is on the rise towards the top third of the AAC over the next couple of years and they have the patience to get there the right way.

(02-12-2018 02:33 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 02:22 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 11:03 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 10:15 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(02-12-2018 07:37 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  UCF beats Memphis for the 4th time in a row and now the vultures are circling in Memphis.

Scathing article in Memphis paper that noted a pregame fight between 2 players and how a former Memphis Great that was inducted into their Wall of Fame (Anderson) at halftime, when asked if Tubby Smith was the right man for the job, he said No....and Tubby Smith basically agreed with him in post-game comments.

It sounds like Tubby wants to be fired and if he is, Memphis will owe him $9.75 Million ($3.25 Million for next 3 years).

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...efeat-row/

Any program that loses 4 straight to UCF in basketball has hit rock bottom. There is a reason the vultures are circling.

No...as UCF has turned into a pretty good hoop program over the last 2 years.

UCF is now 17-13 in conf play over the last 2 seasons, even with all of their injuries, lost scholarships (transfer redshirts, etc...).

Now if you would have replaced UCF with say usf or ECU...then yes, that would mean Memphis would mean the Tigers have hit rock bottom. (Memphis has already lost to ECU once this year).

So UCF is barely above .500 in conference play over the last 2 years and you are bragging about that? Get back to me when UCF actually makes it back to the NCAA Tournament then you can beat your chest. When was the last year UCF even made the tournament? Was it 2005?

When Memphis gets swept by a program that has only made 4 appearances in the NCAA Tournament and has never won a tournament game, we have hit rock bottom. I don't think Memphis can be scraping the bottom of the barrel any more than they are right now.

We're not bragging about anything, just enjoying the fact that while UCF has always owned Memphis in football, we do as well in basketball now too.

PS- it's not missed on UCF fans that a lot of the chest thumping from Memphis fans comes from bragging about seasons in which we now know that Cal was cheating. Like every other job he's ever had.

Changing the topic to football I see. If getting your butt handed to you 21 out of 25 times is owning a program, then I guess you are owning Memphis in basketball. You do realize before your big 4 game run, Memphis was leading the series 21-1? That Memphis has lost 4 straight to a program like UCF is rock bottom by Memphis standards.

Maybe you guys should start cheating in basketball. It may be the only way you ever get a win in the NCAA Tournament.

(02-12-2018 02:41 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I like UCF's trajectory for building a program over the last 4 years more than I do Memphis'. Seem to have a good administration and they made a great hire who had a good foundation in place. They feel like a team that is on the rise towards the top third of the AAC over the next couple of years and they have the patience to get there the right way.

Have you guys played a postseason game in like 4 years?

(02-12-2018 03:14 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Have you guys played a postseason game in like 4 years?

And you are a fan of????

Does that change the answer to my question?