(02-04-2018 02:09 PM)JMU08 Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 10:38 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 10:06 AM)JMU Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 09:56 AM)dukesfan4010 Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 09:52 AM)JMU Wrote:  BS. I have mention this all season. The fact is that we lose way more than we win, have a few talented young guys, and an unqualified, terrible coach. I really think we will be saying goodbye to several of these guys at season's end.

How dramatic

How is this for drama -"Yay! We are 7-18 with one of those wins agains a d3."
Or maybe this drama - "Will Rowe win more games than last?"
Or this - "Will Rowe be remembered as the worst JMU coach or does Keener have that locked up forever"

Yay! We are 7-18!!!!

What a childish approach. Waaaaaah, we're not winning enough in Year 2 of a coach! I've decided GOAT HCLR is a terrible coach despite not letting him build a team (3 years minimum) for the first time in his career. I'm dug in & cant wait for players to transfer out so i can be right! NOTHING BETTER THAN BEING RIGHT!

Sorry guys, guess it's my fault for starting this. This is why we can't have nice things.

No, its my bad. I should have celebrated the win. Instead, I was looking at where we are in the season and compared it to last year - same basic spot. Was frustrated. So, in any event, apologize to the board for being a jacksss and, most importantly, to the team and HCLR. I'll keep it in check from here on out. Go Dukes!

(02-04-2018 04:01 PM)JMU Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 02:09 PM)JMU08 Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 10:38 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 10:06 AM)JMU Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 09:56 AM)dukesfan4010 Wrote:  How dramatic

How is this for drama -"Yay! We are 7-18 with one of those wins agains a d3."
Or maybe this drama - "Will Rowe win more games than last?"
Or this - "Will Rowe be remembered as the worst JMU coach or does Keener have that locked up forever"

Yay! We are 7-18!!!!

What a childish approach. Waaaaaah, we're not winning enough in Year 2 of a coach! I've decided GOAT HCLR is a terrible coach despite not letting him build a team (3 years minimum) for the first time in his career. I'm dug in & cant wait for players to transfer out so i can be right! NOTHING BETTER THAN BEING RIGHT!

Sorry guys, guess it's my fault for starting this. This is why we can't have nice things.

No, its my bad. I should have celebrated the win. Instead, I was looking at where we are in the season and compared it to last year - same basic spot. Was frustrated. So, in any event, apologize to the board for being a jacksss and, most importantly, to the team and HCLR. I'll keep it in check from here on out. Go Dukes!

I watched the game Saturday. It was a great game and a great win! We are a very young team and we are looking good. The tournaments should be exciting! Don't blame the coach. We win as a team and we lose as a team (that includes players and coaches! I was always taught to build people up and not tear them down! Niceness goes a long ways!

(02-05-2018 08:40 AM)jmudukes Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 04:01 PM)JMU Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 02:09 PM)JMU08 Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 10:38 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 10:06 AM)JMU Wrote:  How is this for drama -"Yay! We are 7-18 with one of those wins agains a d3."
Or maybe this drama - "Will Rowe win more games than last?"
Or this - "Will Rowe be remembered as the worst JMU coach or does Keener have that locked up forever"

Yay! We are 7-18!!!!

What a childish approach. Waaaaaah, we're not winning enough in Year 2 of a coach! I've decided GOAT HCLR is a terrible coach despite not letting him build a team (3 years minimum) for the first time in his career. I'm dug in & cant wait for players to transfer out so i can be right! NOTHING BETTER THAN BEING RIGHT!

Sorry guys, guess it's my fault for starting this. This is why we can't have nice things.

No, its my bad. I should have celebrated the win. Instead, I was looking at where we are in the season and compared it to last year - same basic spot. Was frustrated. So, in any event, apologize to the board for being a jacksss and, most importantly, to the team and HCLR. I'll keep it in check from here on out. Go Dukes!

I watched the game Saturday. It was a great game and a great win! We are a very young team and we are looking good. The tournaments should be exciting! Don't blame the coach. We win as a team and we lose as a team (that includes players and coaches! I was always taught to build people up and not tear them down! Niceness goes a long ways!

Keener was a nice guy.


(duck and cover)

(02-05-2018 10:02 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 08:40 AM)jmudukes Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 04:01 PM)JMU Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 02:09 PM)JMU08 Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 10:38 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  What a childish approach. Waaaaaah, we're not winning enough in Year 2 of a coach! I've decided GOAT HCLR is a terrible coach despite not letting him build a team (3 years minimum) for the first time in his career. I'm dug in & cant wait for players to transfer out so i can be right! NOTHING BETTER THAN BEING RIGHT!

Sorry guys, guess it's my fault for starting this. This is why we can't have nice things.

No, its my bad. I should have celebrated the win. Instead, I was looking at where we are in the season and compared it to last year - same basic spot. Was frustrated. So, in any event, apologize to the board for being a jacksss and, most importantly, to the team and HCLR. I'll keep it in check from here on out. Go Dukes!

I watched the game Saturday. It was a great game and a great win! We are a very young team and we are looking good. The tournaments should be exciting! Don't blame the coach. We win as a team and we lose as a team (that includes players and coaches! I was always taught to build people up and not tear them down! Niceness goes a long ways!

Keener was a nice guy.


(duck and cover)

The greatest coach in the history of JMU athletics was certainly not known as the nicest guy in the world. Lou Campanella commanded respect much the way Coach K does down at Duke.

(02-05-2018 10:39 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 10:02 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 08:40 AM)jmudukes Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 04:01 PM)JMU Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 02:09 PM)JMU08 Wrote:  Sorry guys, guess it's my fault for starting this. This is why we can't have nice things.

No, its my bad. I should have celebrated the win. Instead, I was looking at where we are in the season and compared it to last year - same basic spot. Was frustrated. So, in any event, apologize to the board for being a jacksss and, most importantly, to the team and HCLR. I'll keep it in check from here on out. Go Dukes!

I watched the game Saturday. It was a great game and a great win! We are a very young team and we are looking good. The tournaments should be exciting! Don't blame the coach. We win as a team and we lose as a team (that includes players and coaches! I was always taught to build people up and not tear them down! Niceness goes a long ways!

Keener was a nice guy.


(duck and cover)

The greatest coach in the history of JMU athletics was certainly not known as the nicest guy in the world. Lou Campanella commanded respect much the way Coach K does down at Duke.

Hoosiers share a similar narrative with Bobby Knight!

(02-03-2018 06:19 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(02-03-2018 06:16 PM)JMU08 Wrote:  Teams that don't make the NCAA tournament, but have promising talent, tend to lose their players in the offseason. Just how basketball is currently. Here's hoping HCLR can buck the trend.

I think attrition within pretty much every D1 program is nearly unavoidable. Agree that who we lose (or don't) in this offseason will be significant in determining year 3 success.

A lot of the losses come from the grad-transfer rule where a player can not sit out a year and play right away. Any guy leaving now would have to sit and I don't see a guy who came in as a freshman getting a lot of minutes wanting to sit out a year.

(02-04-2018 08:53 AM)JMUSteeler Wrote:  So we win, it's because the other team blew it by missing FTs. When we lose because of missed FTs, it's because our coaches suck. I'm starting to wonder if some of you see the double-standard you apply.

And before you say "a lot more went into our losses than missed FTs", apply that standard to Towson last night......

Amen!!

I have been watching all season and have to admit it has been frustrating. I have really not been following the basketball teams for years. By joining this board I decided to follow them this year, knowing that it would be a rough year. I hoped, with a young team, that someday it would come together and it would be fun to see the player/team growth. At points this year, my expectations dropped further. Finally I was able to make a live game this past Saturday (bringing my junior daughter and a friend to their first game). What a great game to attend. While the crowd is nothing like the glory years, all the young kids in attendance brought some energy. What I was most impressed about was when we needed to make our big run in the 4th quarter I believe we had 3 players with 4 fouls each. Having watched these guys on TV, I had low hopes of them all making the remainder of the game. During that time I saw multiple occasions of them showing restraint in situation where they normally foul. I am hoping this is a reflection of coaching and player maturation. My daughter and her friend had a blast and were so glad they went. I am sure there will continue to be rough times ahead but I am holding out hope. Winning solves so many issues, hopefully we can surprise some teams. Had a great time, go Dukes!

Since it's basketball season, This was the first time this year I got a chance to get out to the burg for a game. A few observations/opinions:

I've never seen the convo that packed and with with so much energy. Players feed off that energy.

The women (Blonde hair) sitting front row, on the isle, center court opposite the player benches pretty much followed the lead of the band and got people to their feet toward the end of the game. Well Done! We ignored the folks sitting behind us asking us to sit-down. Good job to all those that ignored similar requests.

Speaking of the band, they sound great, lots of energy, the pulse of the crowd. But "You know who" is a total moron for insisting they be so small. I was surprised how little they played. Maybe it was all those sponsor announcements I didn't hear.

The Dukettes are bad-A**, very talented.

We were center court, upper level and couldn't hear anything the announcer (Mike?) said. I don't care but it created a silence in the building. A "buzz-kill" for sure. The Dukettes music sounded fine so I don't think it's the sound system.

The people that handle parking and traffic...they left a bad impression for many of the first timers and potential new fans. People walking from festival to see all those empty parking spaces right next to building.

Team is way more athletic than I expected or seen on the streams. Instead of pausing for a play to be called in, Coach needs to let them push the ball up the court and if nothing is there, then look for the play call. Walking the ball up the court, allow the defense to set, then coach calls in a play is frustrating. It's like watching a HS game. I have a sense that these horses need to run.

There doesn't seem to be a purpose to their press, therefore isn't effective. They had traps set up no less that 3 times and didn't finish any of them. They could have had at least one 20 second call. Maybe because the team is so young that coach doesn't want to commit.

Towson pressed to slow us down and they did just that. We did very little to exploit them.

There are guys coming of the bench and good things happen. If #24 (wilson?) can develope some speed/quickness, he could be a great player. Mosley is a great athlete but probably isn't getting enough rest. He would likely shoot much better if he got some time on the bench.

Based on what I saw, the quality of this team is a whole lot better than their record is showing. The coaching has me scratching my head a little but I assume they do what they need to do when working with such a young team. I think the future is looking bright for the Dukes, the pieces are there, just go to figure out how they go together. The Dukes could mix things up at the CAAT.

Great time at JMU this past weekend.

Since have at least a week off from JMU hoops due to the mumps, I had a chance to check the Towson free throw failure and it was even more of an anomaly than I originally thought.
By going 16-33 from the charity stripe, Towson missed more FT’s than any JMU opponent in 123 games. Obviously, it is not something the Dukes can rely on in the coming games, but it was a nice kiss to offset a least a little of the pain from this year.

Guess who had more FT misses against JMU 123 games ago in the March 2014 CAA tournament ...
That’s right. The Towson Tiggers. They had 22FT misses that game and a tournament record breaking 61 attempts for 64%. Now the memories are coming back to me as I watched the tourney game in Baltimore that had JMU called for 37 fouls and had four Dukes foul out. As much as Towson plays full contact tackle basketball, somehow they had far fewer fouls in the game. It was very chippy all night and the refs took over the game which is the opposite of how most tournament games are officiated. It is really hard to watch one team take 61FT attempts in a single game.

(02-05-2018 11:59 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-03-2018 06:19 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(02-03-2018 06:16 PM)JMU08 Wrote:  Teams that don't make the NCAA tournament, but have promising talent, tend to lose their players in the offseason. Just how basketball is currently. Here's hoping HCLR can buck the trend.

I think attrition within pretty much every D1 program is nearly unavoidable. Agree that who we lose (or don't) in this offseason will be significant in determining year 3 success.

A lot of the losses come from the grad-transfer rule where a player can not sit out a year and play right away. Any guy leaving now would have to sit and I don't see a guy who came in as a freshman getting a lot of minutes wanting to sit out a year.

Charles Cooke, Kory Holden, Byron Hawkins come to mind as promising guys that all got lots of minutes as freshman. I'm sure someone more committed than me can look at verbal commits or something and see what transfers left the CAA to trade up without being seniors.

You guys are brutal- a nice win and you are talking about transfers and opposition free throws. If JMU had lost you'd be talking about how bad Lou Rowe is and what a great program Pat Skerry has built.

BTW did you see Mike Deane behind the bench at the JMU Towson game? Must have mended fences with Coach Rowe - or maybe the theory that he and Coach Rowe bumped heads and he was forced out is just more bs.

(02-08-2018 05:06 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  You guys are brutal- a nice win and you are talking about transfers and opposition free throws. If JMU had lost you'd be talking about how bad Lou Rowe is and what a great program Pat Skerry has built.

I mean, I was not criticizing Rowe in any way. I am talking about it because everyone keeps saying "Future is bright", and I choose not to ignore the national trend of transfers. It's not Rowe's fault at all that basketball works that way. Honestly, if Rowe keeps every promising player for the next few years, that's just a huge credit to him for bucking the national trend. I hope that is the case.

(02-08-2018 08:59 AM)JMU08 Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 05:06 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  You guys are brutal- a nice win and you are talking about transfers and opposition free throws. If JMU had lost you'd be talking about how bad Lou Rowe is and what a great program Pat Skerry has built.

I mean, I was not criticizing Rowe in any way. I am talking about it because everyone keeps saying "Future is bright", and I choose not to ignore the national trend of transfers. It's not Rowe's fault at all that basketball works that way. Honestly, if Rowe keeps every promising player for the next few years, that's just a huge credit to him for bucking the national trend. I hope that is the case.

A program like JMU can't afford to lose core players to transfer. There will pretty much always be attrition with the 8th- 13th scholarship. Good programs have less movement and use their redshirts effectively.

It struck me at the Drexel game- Rowe was kind of on Wilson a little but he's been very vocal in the press about not taking any guy for granted and developing his young players. He's a players coach and I really think these young guys and their families like him and the staff and want to all win together. The proof will be in the pudding but the hope is through his relationship with the players and the mutual trust and communication that they stay at JMU and buy in. I think their effort despite the losses gives you some indication that they are bought in and there is no lack of opportunity at JMU when it comes to playing time or even seeing through the program launching a new arena. Even seeing the national success that the football program has has to give the young guys a taste of what's possible at a place like JMU.

Here's hoping JMU bucks the trend and keeps these young guys in the program. They can be something special together as they get older and better.

Wilson needs to play, and Rowe needs to make sure Wilson gets a fair shake on minutes.

(02-09-2018 05:37 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Wilson needs to play, and Rowe needs to make sure Wilson gets a fair shake on minutes.

It appears that he needs a larger gas tank, as he seems to run out of gas at 15 minutes or so.

(02-10-2018 08:58 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  

(02-09-2018 05:37 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Wilson needs to play, and Rowe needs to make sure Wilson gets a fair shake on minutes.

It appears that he needs a larger gas tank, as he seems to run out of gas at 15 minutes or so.

Perhaps so, but Wilson isn’t regularly getting 15 minutes, but when he plays he’s a force.