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SMU has been the conference champion the most.
02-10-2018 07:13 AM
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(02-09-2018 03:28 PM)payday Wrote:  Welcome to the land of the locked, Cincinnati. Life is better on the safe side of the bubble.

Sure, the Bearcats' seed can still fall, but once you've attained the august privilege of Bubble Watch lock status, it can never be revoked. There are no "unlocks," ever.

Cincinnati earned its shiny new label through a combination of performance and happenstance. Mick Cronin's team has continued to take care of business, of course, running its record to 22-2 and its winning streak to 15 games.

The Bearcats have held their opponents in American Athletic Conference play to just 0.81 points per possession, a ridiculously small number that makes even Virginia sit up and take notice. Scoring against Jacob Evans, Gary Clark & Co. is no mean feat. Your best strategy might be sheer bracket avoidance.


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...imson-tide

just pray your not in the same bracket as Xavier
02-10-2018 07:19 AM
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RE: Bubble Watch
(02-10-2018 07:19 AM)taximan1 Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 03:28 PM)payday Wrote:  Welcome to the land of the locked, Cincinnati. Life is better on the safe side of the bubble.

Sure, the Bearcats' seed can still fall, but once you've attained the august privilege of Bubble Watch lock status, it can never be revoked. There are no "unlocks," ever.

Cincinnati earned its shiny new label through a combination of performance and happenstance. Mick Cronin's team has continued to take care of business, of course, running its record to 22-2 and its winning streak to 15 games.

The Bearcats have held their opponents in American Athletic Conference play to just 0.81 points per possession, a ridiculously small number that makes even Virginia sit up and take notice. Scoring against Jacob Evans, Gary Clark & Co. is no mean feat. Your best strategy might be sheer bracket avoidance.


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...imson-tide

just pray your not in the same bracket as Xavier
I hope we are. I believe that we will have a psychological advantage. They played well against us and we stunk that day. We are much better now.
02-10-2018 08:28 AM
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(02-09-2018 11:37 PM)Lush Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 04:10 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 04:01 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 03:54 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  UC's SOS is now projected to finish in the low to mid 50's. BFD

UC's OOC SOS currently sits at #112 which is still 80+ spots ahead of Texas Tech, 25+ spots ahead of Miami, 120+ spots ahead of Michigan State, and 75 spots or so ahead of West Virginia. Once again, BFD

Why are you getting so defensive about the SOS? I’m not talking about projections. I’m talking about what I’m seeing right now in black and white in front of me.

And it’s a fact.

It’s amazing how some UC fans act like the WSU fans they hate.

Be more considerate of their feelings 'Fever...

Bearcat fans themselves have said "this is their best team since the Sweet 16." That would infer that this year's UC team is a once every 20 years kind of team. We better sit up and take notice! I know I am. 04-bow


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...03-cool

it really is a once in every 20 year team. for me, this is the best team since the overachieving aught one and two team. no shame in admitting that since there's lots of good moments in between

I think this team is the best since 96. The 02 team did not play the defense like this team. I thought that team was more like the Kilpatrick team. One man shows with a little contribution from others.
02-10-2018 08:32 AM
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(02-10-2018 08:32 AM)rosewater Wrote:  I think this team is the best since 96. The 02 team did not play the defense like this team. I thought that team was more like the Kilpatrick team. One man shows with a little contribution from others.

This is really an insult to what the 2002 UC team accomplished, but I hear it a lot from UC fans. The 2002 team, despite being the only UC team in recent UC history to earn a 1 seed, is often very underappreciated. Nevermind that you're also ignoring the 2000 team which was the best UC team since the 60s and a Kenyon Martin injury short of being the National Champion favorites.

I think it's reasonable to compare this team to 2002, 2000, 1996, 1993 and 1992. It's in that group. The 2002 team is not comparable to Kipatrick's senior season team.

2002- Conference Regular Season Champions, Conference Tournament Champions, 1 seed, RPI #3, 8-2 v. RPI top 50, 17-3 v. RPI top 100. #2 kenpom adjusted efficiency (first year he kept that stat). UC's total adjusted efficiency margin that season was +30.19 (this year by comparison is +27.71). UC finished 7th in adjusted offense and 3rd in adjusted defense (This year they are 55 and 2 as of right now). That 2002 team was excellent all season. Logan was unreal, but the other guys each had a role and they were great on both ends.

There are things to like better about this years team. Yes they are better defensively, though as this team has been historically great where that team was excellent within that season, but not to this level. Despite that team being significantly better in adjusted offense, I still feel like this team has more guys that can beat you. That team did depend on Logan a lot but Logan was super human and the other guys weren't slouches...particularly Stokes who had a great offensive season. I think this team's adjusted offensive numbers are probably not quite reflective of what they are... They get up so big early they really do sub in and out a lot. I still think the main lineups on this team constitute a top 30 offense.

Bottom line. If you want to say this team is better than 2002, so be it. It's a fair discussion. I think its still wait and see as the 2002 was outright conference champions, conference tournament champions and a 1 seed. We've already discussed the crazy record 2002 had against top teams and the kenpom numbers. This team is in that discussion with other great teams. Still, lumping 2002 in with that Kilpatrick team is insane to me.... as is ignoring 2000 when you say this is the best team since...
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Here's the numbers on that Kilpatrick team you are referencing.

2014- Tied for regular season conference title with defending champs ahead of eventual champs, 5 seed in tournament, 6-6 v. RPI top 50, 10-7 v. RPI top 100, tourney results disappointing, but that team had a really good year. Only 27 in kenpom, but top 10 in adjusted defense.
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I do not know how you found an insult for the life of me. No, I did not do the metrics because a comparison between the metrics in 2002 and 2017 is silly. I am sure adjusted defense went down considerably in 1982 from 1981 with the implementation of the shot clock.

I did make the mistake about the 2000 team. They were the best in the time period and I forgot them.

The 2013 team was much like the 2002 team and were led by all americans that constituted the girth of their offense. The 02 team produced zero NBA players where as the 13 sent one player to the league. The 02 team had three top 25 victories over Marquette twice when they were 9 and 13 and over number 19 Wake. In addition they lost to number 21 Oklahoma State. The 13 team had victories over Memphis (18, 20) Louisville 12, and eventual champion Connecticut at 12. So the 13 team had more top 25 victories. The 02 team lost in the tournament to an 8 seed where the 13 team lost to a 12 seed.

Not seeing a big difference between the two teams other than the number one seed. Many will say that we were overrated in that spot and I cannot disagree.
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No doubt Kmart's senior year was the best team.
02-10-2018 10:05 AM
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(02-09-2018 10:15 PM)payday Wrote:  The flagship is sinking...with no lifeboats to go around. Thus the hysteria has commenced.

You are clearly wrong, that ship sunk weeks ago......03-lmfao
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(02-10-2018 10:01 AM)rosewater Wrote:  I do not know how you found an insult for the life of me. No, I did not do the metrics because a comparison between the metrics in 2002 and 2017 is silly. I am sure adjusted defense went down considerably in 1982 from 1981 with the implementation of the shot clock.

I did make the mistake about the 2000 team. They were the best in the time period and I forgot them.

The 2013 team was much like the 2002 team and were led by all americans that constituted the girth of their offense. The 02 team produced zero NBA players where as the 13 sent one player to the league. The 02 team had three top 25 victories over Marquette twice when they were 9 and 13 and over number 19 Wake. In addition they lost to number 21 Oklahoma State. The 13 team had victories over Memphis (18, 20) Louisville 12, and eventual champion Connecticut at 12. So the 13 team had more top 25 victories. The 02 team lost in the tournament to an 8 seed where the 13 team lost to a 12 seed.

Not seeing a big difference between the two teams other than the number one seed. Many will say that we were overrated in that spot and I cannot disagree.

You don't see a difference in Conference Regular Season Champions, Conference Tournament Champions, 1 seed, RPI #3, 8-2 v. RPI top 50, 17-3 v. RPI top 100. #2 kenpom adjusted efficiency (first year he kept that stat), total adjusted efficiency margin that season was +30.19, 7th in adjusted offense and 3rd in adjusted defense.

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regular season conference title, 5 seed in tournament, 6-6 v. RPI top 50, 10-7 v. RPI top 100, Only 27 in kenpom, 98 adj offense, 9 adj def and 19.24 adj efficiently?


Those two teams weren't in the same stratosphere. The only real similarity is both had an all american guard.
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