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RE: Any word on C-USA tv deals?
(02-10-2018 01:08 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 11:26 AM)Seminowl Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 02:52 AM)Rabonchild Wrote:  For CUSA to survive a dedicated channel must be developed. If the leadership is to incompotent to reach a channel agreement the odds are CUSA is breaking up. If that happens the conference may look like Marshall, ODU, Liberty, Appalachian, Charlotte, Western Kentucky, Middlle Tennessee, FAU, FIU, Georgia St, Georgia South, & Coastal Carolina.

If three of the teams choose to not join, CUSA reaches out to JMU for football and Charleston & VCU for basketball.

North:
Marshall
ODU
Liberty
App
Charlotte
WKU
MTU

South:
GA State
GA Southern
Coastal
USM/Troy/UAB (Pick 2)
FAU
FIU

No teams west of the Mississippi, geography, recruiting, and rivalries. This is what CUSA should be.
Again noooo. As much as I want Marshall to play in the south, I would rather go back to thr MAC than play in a glorified FCS league

In the long run I would just as soon have JMU as Marshall.
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RE: Any word on C-USA tv deals?
(02-10-2018 06:18 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 01:08 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 11:26 AM)Seminowl Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 02:52 AM)Rabonchild Wrote:  For CUSA to survive a dedicated channel must be developed. If the leadership is to incompotent to reach a channel agreement the odds are CUSA is breaking up. If that happens the conference may look like Marshall, ODU, Liberty, Appalachian, Charlotte, Western Kentucky, Middlle Tennessee, FAU, FIU, Georgia St, Georgia South, & Coastal Carolina.

If three of the teams choose to not join, CUSA reaches out to JMU for football and Charleston & VCU for basketball.

North:
Marshall
ODU
Liberty
App
Charlotte
WKU
MTU

South:
GA State
GA Southern
Coastal
USM/Troy/UAB (Pick 2)
FAU
FIU

No teams west of the Mississippi, geography, recruiting, and rivalries. This is what CUSA should be.
Again noooo. As much as I want Marshall to play in the south, I would rather go back to thr MAC than play in a glorified FCS league

In the long run I would just as soon have JMU as Marshall.
By all means do that. This conference is a joke compared to what it used to be. Other than long time rival USM and building rivals WKU MT, there is nothing worth staying in this dying conference for. You start combining with too many FBS newbies and an FCS pull up, the conference reputation will get even worse. I'm not the only one who sees this. No offense to Charlotte or ODU, I personally saw the light when those two came up for the list of additions, ODU seems to be coming along nicely. Regardless, no one else in big boy football cares, so go ahead and add more to that. I hope my school would make a decision to do something else than that. JMU was passed over for ODU for a reason.
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RE: Any word on C-USA tv deals?
(02-10-2018 08:21 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 06:18 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 01:08 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 11:26 AM)Seminowl Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 02:52 AM)Rabonchild Wrote:  For CUSA to survive a dedicated channel must be developed. If the leadership is to incompotent to reach a channel agreement the odds are CUSA is breaking up. If that happens the conference may look like Marshall, ODU, Liberty, Appalachian, Charlotte, Western Kentucky, Middlle Tennessee, FAU, FIU, Georgia St, Georgia South, & Coastal Carolina.

If three of the teams choose to not join, CUSA reaches out to JMU for football and Charleston & VCU for basketball.

North:
Marshall
ODU
Liberty
App
Charlotte
WKU
MTU

South:
GA State
GA Southern
Coastal
USM/Troy/UAB (Pick 2)
FAU
FIU

No teams west of the Mississippi, geography, recruiting, and rivalries. This is what CUSA should be.
Again noooo. As much as I want Marshall to play in the south, I would rather go back to thr MAC than play in a glorified FCS league

In the long run I would just as soon have JMU as Marshall.
By all means do that. This conference is a joke compared to what it used to be. Other than long time rival USM and building rivals WKU MT, there is nothing worth staying in this dying conference for. You start combining with too many FBS newbies and an FCS pull up, the conference reputation will get even worse. I'm not the only one who sees this. No offense to Charlotte or ODU, I personally saw the light when those two came up for the list of additions, ODU seems to be coming along nicely. Regardless, no one else in big boy football cares, so go ahead and add more to that. I hope my school would make a decision to do something else than that. JMU was passed over for ODU for a reason.
If FAU can’t play Marshall we might as well disband our football program and shut down the University. No, but seriously I say let them go if they take the complaining fans with them. I’ll miss the good fans though. The solution would be to send coastal north and keep all 3 of USM/Troy/UAB. Enjoy the MAC.
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RE: Any word on C-USA tv deals?
(02-10-2018 08:21 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 06:18 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 01:08 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 11:26 AM)Seminowl Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 02:52 AM)Rabonchild Wrote:  For CUSA to survive a dedicated channel must be developed. If the leadership is to incompotent to reach a channel agreement the odds are CUSA is breaking up. If that happens the conference may look like Marshall, ODU, Liberty, Appalachian, Charlotte, Western Kentucky, Middlle Tennessee, FAU, FIU, Georgia St, Georgia South, & Coastal Carolina.

If three of the teams choose to not join, CUSA reaches out to JMU for football and Charleston & VCU for basketball.

North:
Marshall
ODU
Liberty
App
Charlotte
WKU
MTU

South:
GA State
GA Southern
Coastal
USM/Troy/UAB (Pick 2)
FAU
FIU

No teams west of the Mississippi, geography, recruiting, and rivalries. This is what CUSA should be.
Again noooo. As much as I want Marshall to play in the south, I would rather go back to thr MAC than play in a glorified FCS league

In the long run I would just as soon have JMU as Marshall.
By all means do that. This conference is a joke compared to what it used to be. Other than long time rival USM and building rivals WKU MT, there is nothing worth staying in this dying conference for. You start combining with too many FBS newbies and an FCS pull up, the conference reputation will get even worse. I'm not the only one who sees this. No offense to Charlotte or ODU, I personally saw the light when those two came up for the list of additions, ODU seems to be coming along nicely. Regardless, no one else in big boy football cares, so go ahead and add more to that. I hope my school would make a decision to do something else than that. JMU was passed over for ODU for a reason.

I can understand a team with the history and past success of Marshall not liking the idea of being in a conference with these recent FBS arrivals, but it does seem to me that the alignment in question would be comparable to the MAC. And these newbies all have drive and determination to be better, whereas the MAC has been mostly lousy for decades. I think CUSA is just as good as the MAC now and has a much higher long term ceiling. It just doesn't have the teams with as much name recognition at this time.
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RE: Any word on C-USA tv deals?
(02-10-2018 11:20 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 08:21 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 06:18 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 01:08 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 11:26 AM)Seminowl Wrote:  North:
Marshall
ODU
Liberty
App
Charlotte
WKU
MTU

South:
GA State
GA Southern
Coastal
USM/Troy/UAB (Pick 2)
FAU
FIU

No teams west of the Mississippi, geography, recruiting, and rivalries. This is what CUSA should be.
Again noooo. As much as I want Marshall to play in the south, I would rather go back to thr MAC than play in a glorified FCS league

In the long run I would just as soon have JMU as Marshall.
By all means do that. This conference is a joke compared to what it used to be. Other than long time rival USM and building rivals WKU MT, there is nothing worth staying in this dying conference for. You start combining with too many FBS newbies and an FCS pull up, the conference reputation will get even worse. I'm not the only one who sees this. No offense to Charlotte or ODU, I personally saw the light when those two came up for the list of additions, ODU seems to be coming along nicely. Regardless, no one else in big boy football cares, so go ahead and add more to that. I hope my school would make a decision to do something else than that. JMU was passed over for ODU for a reason.

I can understand a team with the history and past success of Marshall not liking the idea of being in a conference with these recent FBS arrivals, but it does seem to me that the alignment in question would be comparable to the MAC. And these newbies all have drive and determination to be better, whereas the MAC has been mostly lousy for decades. I think CUSA is just as good as the MAC now and has a much higher long term ceiling. It just doesn't have the teams with as much name recognition at this time.
CUSA is better than the MAC. 9/10 Floridians have no idea what the MAC is, and couldn’t name one of thier schools. I’m sure it’s the same for the CUSA in the North. Both conferences have the same level of national recognition, so it comes down to performance. MAC was the worst conference last year, the way Toledo and Akron lost earned them that title. In the G5 it’s all about performance, history only gets you so far when people barely know your name.
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RE: Any word on C-USA tv deals?
(02-11-2018 05:45 AM)Seminowl Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 11:20 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 08:21 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 06:18 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 01:08 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  Again noooo. As much as I want Marshall to play in the south, I would rather go back to thr MAC than play in a glorified FCS league

In the long run I would just as soon have JMU as Marshall.
By all means do that. This conference is a joke compared to what it used to be. Other than long time rival USM and building rivals WKU MT, there is nothing worth staying in this dying conference for. You start combining with too many FBS newbies and an FCS pull up, the conference reputation will get even worse. I'm not the only one who sees this. No offense to Charlotte or ODU, I personally saw the light when those two came up for the list of additions, ODU seems to be coming along nicely. Regardless, no one else in big boy football cares, so go ahead and add more to that. I hope my school would make a decision to do something else than that. JMU was passed over for ODU for a reason.

I can understand a team with the history and past success of Marshall not liking the idea of being in a conference with these recent FBS arrivals, but it does seem to me that the alignment in question would be comparable to the MAC. And these newbies all have drive and determination to be better, whereas the MAC has been mostly lousy for decades. I think CUSA is just as good as the MAC now and has a much higher long term ceiling. It just doesn't have the teams with as much name recognition at this time.
CUSA is better than the MAC. 9/10 Floridians have no idea what the MAC is, and couldn’t name one of thier schools. I’m sure it’s the same for the CUSA in the North. Both conferences have the same level of national recognition, so it comes down to performance. MAC was the worst conference last year, the way Toledo and Akron lost earned them that title. In the G5 it’s all about performance, history only gets you so far when people barely know your name.

I've never understood the ignorant fan argument. If people in Florida have never heard of the MAC, not likely, then that's on them. You're either a college football fan or you're not. I mean, your team's bowl was vs a MAC team. They didn't know who they were? or their conference? It isn't unreasonable for anyone that watches college football to be able to name ten FBS conferences and at least 4-5 teams in each one. If they can't do that then they really aren't fans. They're just killing time on Saturdays wearing blue and red or whatever colors their team wears.
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The whole point I was trying to make is it does not matter how much better or as good as we think we are compared to a long standing conference, it doesn't matter. I do not disagree about being as competitive as the MAC, but they have been around longer, not much change in membership, in turn they have a better reputation right now. We could bring all these new to fbs programs together, be as competitive as other G5 conferences, but be looked down upon, its all about identity and reputation, this conference lacks an identity and the reputation hasn't recovered from last realignment. Add more to that, reputation takes more of a dive. Its not that hard to figure out.
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(02-11-2018 10:47 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  The whole point I was trying to make is it does not matter how much better or as good as we think we are compared to a long standing conference, it doesn't matter. I do not disagree about being as competitive as the MAC, but they have been around longer, not much change in membership, in turn they have a better reputation right now. We could bring all these new to fbs programs together, be as competitive as other G5 conferences, but be looked down upon, its all about identity and reputation, this conference lacks an identity and the reputation hasn't recovered from last realignment. Add more to that, reputation takes more of a dive. Its not that hard to figure out.

Honestly dude, just because you value reputation doesn’t make you right. Personally, I prefer potential. My proposition made geological sense, satisfied rivalries, and was a good mix of potential and reputation. You talk so much about the value of being “long standing”, but new schools like UCF and USF have eclipsed the MAC.
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(02-11-2018 06:22 AM)MUther Wrote:  
(02-11-2018 05:45 AM)Seminowl Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 11:20 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 08:21 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 06:18 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  In the long run I would just as soon have JMU as Marshall.
By all means do that. This conference is a joke compared to what it used to be. Other than long time rival USM and building rivals WKU MT, there is nothing worth staying in this dying conference for. You start combining with too many FBS newbies and an FCS pull up, the conference reputation will get even worse. I'm not the only one who sees this. No offense to Charlotte or ODU, I personally saw the light when those two came up for the list of additions, ODU seems to be coming along nicely. Regardless, no one else in big boy football cares, so go ahead and add more to that. I hope my school would make a decision to do something else than that. JMU was passed over for ODU for a reason.

I can understand a team with the history and past success of Marshall not liking the idea of being in a conference with these recent FBS arrivals, but it does seem to me that the alignment in question would be comparable to the MAC. And these newbies all have drive and determination to be better, whereas the MAC has been mostly lousy for decades. I think CUSA is just as good as the MAC now and has a much higher long term ceiling. It just doesn't have the teams with as much name recognition at this time.
CUSA is better than the MAC. 9/10 Floridians have no idea what the MAC is, and couldn’t name one of thier schools. I’m sure it’s the same for the CUSA in the North. Both conferences have the same level of national recognition, so it comes down to performance. MAC was the worst conference last year, the way Toledo and Akron lost earned them that title. In the G5 it’s all about performance, history only gets you so far when people barely know your name.

I've never understood the ignorant fan argument. If people in Florida have never heard of the MAC, not likely, then that's on them. You're either a college football fan or you're not. I mean, your team's bowl was vs a MAC team. They didn't know who they were? or their conference? It isn't unreasonable for anyone that watches college football to be able to name ten FBS conferences and at least 4-5 teams in each one. If they can't do that then they really aren't fans. They're just killing time on Saturdays wearing blue and red or whatever colors their team wears.

Sorry but most college football fans are casual P5 fans. Half of the people I asked to go to the bowl game with me had no idea Akron had a University. I got questions like “Are they a division 1 team?” and “didn’t LeBron go there?”. If you think the MAC is a trending topic in South Florida, you are wrong.
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MAC is a Tues/Thurs league.
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