(02-16-2018 08:51 PM)brock20 Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 08:44 PM)PreacherPurl Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 12:11 PM)Efan Wrote:  Chances are we get a good coach because the buy out for Forbes this year is around $1 million I'm pretty sure. You would think we could use that money to go after someone top notch. We could probably justify paying someone $400-500K/year up front rather than the $200K we have typically started coaches out at.

Secondly, I am not interested in Wes Miller at UNCG. It appears that him and one of his assistants could probably use anger management training, and that starts giving me flashbacks to Murry. No thanks.

Unless it was changed in one of the extensions, it appears from scanning his contract that Forbes buyout is something between $150k and $300k. And it’s payable monthly thru the end of the deal.

The one I saw I thought also mentioned something that the school could also do a home and home in lieu of the buyout.

There is something in there about home/home. Didn’t read it closely but I think that has something to do with whether he leaves for a non P5. Not sure.

(02-16-2018 08:56 PM)PreacherPurl Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 08:39 PM)brock20 Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 08:34 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 08:30 PM)brock20 Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 08:16 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  So it is just merely coincidence that three of the ETSU coaches and the director of basketball sports performance came via the Florida JUCO system/ut.

Of course not but I don’t think it was a requirement that forbes bring those guys for him to have got the job at etsu and neither will it be at his potential new job. There is no way say ole miss hires Forbes only on the basis he bring all his assistants.

No a University won't require him to bring them, but it will be his choice to hire his own staff...just like he hired here and expect that staff to have very familiar faces.

Yes I agree but if ETSU offered one of the current assistants the head job they would take it and Forbes would understand. It is the next step for their career. He isn’t going to hold them back.

There’s no guarantee an asst would take it. If the offer is the same $175k + $27k stipend that Forbes originally got, they could make substantially more as an asst at a P5 if that’s where Forbes lands. The P5s that are currently open and those rumored to be coming open all average between $230-$270 per asst. Success similar to what they’ve had at ETSU would position them for much better HC job than ETSU in 2-3 yrs. All 3 of these guys have very successful backgrounds and no reason to “settle” for first opportunity given the stage they’re at in their careers.

They would be making a huge mistake.

There a lots of coaches sitting on power 5 benches who will never become a D1 coach. Unless you are at one of the blue bloods, a power 5 assistant is lucky to get any D1 job.

Its also no guarantee that the next school they go to has the same success they have had at ETSU. In fact the chances are they will not. While jobs like ole miss and Georgia pay well they have challenges that lots of good coaches have failed to meet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cu...ll_coaches

Just look at this list. Lots of mediocre mid major schools with head coaches who were assistants at North Carolina, Kansas, Michigan, etc.

If Forbes left and any of the assistants got offered it would be the biggest opportunity of their lives.

And with all this said I still don’t think it’s a guarantee Forbes leaves. Lots of good candidates out there for a few jobs.

(02-16-2018 08:44 PM)PreacherPurl Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 12:11 PM)Efan Wrote:  Chances are we get a good coach because the buy out for Forbes this year is around $1 million I'm pretty sure. You would think we could use that money to go after someone top notch. We could probably justify paying someone $400-500K/year up front rather than the $200K we have typically started coaches out at.

Secondly, I am not interested in Wes Miller at UNCG. It appears that him and one of his assistants could probably use anger management training, and that starts giving me flashbacks to Murry. No thanks.

Unless it was changed in one of the extensions, it appears from scanning his contract that Forbes buyout is something between $150k and $300k. And it’s payable monthly thru the end of the deal.

My impression of a buyout is they would have to pay out what is left on his contract. Currently, it runs through 2021-22, and at around $400K/year x 3 = $1.2 million. Maybe it’s actually $800K so I estimated $1 million. I couldn’t find it in print, but that’s the way I’ve always understood them. Why would he get less than a years salary for 3 years left on his contract? And yes, there was also something about him making a good faith effort to have a home and home, but that was in addition to the buyout.

EDIT: after some research, these buyouts are all over the map. I can’t find Forbes’ terms, so can’t really prove what it is. I thought I heard in the news it was around $1 million this year and slowly went down each year until 2021-22, but I can’t find where I saw that.

(02-16-2018 09:15 PM)brock20 Wrote:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cu...ll_coaches

Just look at this list. Lots of mediocre mid major schools with head coaches who were assistants at North Carolina, Kansas, Michigan, etc.

If Forbes left and any of the assistants got offered it would be the biggest opportunity of their lives.

Yeah Brock totally agreeing with ya here. I have no idea where the other people are coming from at all. If one of the assistants get offered the job they are no doubt taking it...

ETSU is going to do all it can do.

(02-19-2018 02:51 PM)brock20 Wrote:  ETSU is going to do all it can do.

Great news!!

How does Wichita St and Gonzaga keep their basketball coach, money and fan support. Yes they have some big donors but so does ETSU.

One big thing they do is sellout their home games win or lose.Those sellouts...Wichita 10k...Gonzaga 6k, put big money in the coffers.

ETSU has had three straight big time winning sesons, played in two Championship games, won one of them, won a league title, played in the NCAA, will win another season championship this year but has had only one sellout this year even though the team has played great, led the conference from game one and had a 16 game win streak.

There has been at approx $325K left on the table the first 12 games, with three games to go. If the BUCS average 5k the next three.games, that would inflate the lost revenue to approx $360k.

A packed house for every game ( not just Chatt ) and approx $360 in additional revenue plus big donor money, would go a long way in keeping a coach.

Besides being able to afford higher salaries, sellouts would also be a boon to recruiting not only for basketball but for all sports.

Johnson City and the University did their job by renovating Freedom Hall, the coaches and the team have done their job of playing exciting and winning basketball. The fans have done better but not good enough.

Three games left. Are the fans going to pack Freedom Hall to see a possible 30 game winner, a league champion and a possible NCAA team or are they going to make their usual excuses for the thousands of empty seats?

Buc76, that sounds great. The fact is that due to the issues that have been discussed to great lengths on this board, the local sports crowd is not going to pay $15 per ticket and deal with the accessibility issues to sell out a Tuesday night game instead of watching on ESPN3. We will have a fine turnout, but not close to a sell out. Wofford and Furman will be better than tomorrow night's game, but still not sure about a sellout.

Great news on the Forbes extension. Might not be enough to keep him, but at least we are trying.

(02-19-2018 03:25 PM)Buc76 Wrote:  How does Wichita St and Gonzaga keep their basketball coach, money and fan support. Yes they have some big donors but so does ETSU.

One big thing they do is sellout their home games win or lose.Those sellouts...Wichita 10k...Gonzaga 6k, put big money in the coffers.

ETSU has had three straight big time winning sesons, played in two Championship games, won one of them, won a league title, played in the NCAA, will win another season championship this year but has had only one sellout this year even though the team has played great, led the conference from game one and had a 16 game win streak.

There has been at approx $325K left on the table the first 12 games, with three games to go. If the BUCS average 5k the next three.games, that would inflate the lost revenue to approx $360k.

A packed house for every game ( not just Chatt ) and approx $360 in additional revenue plus big donor money, would go a long way in keeping a coach.

Besides being able to afford higher salaries, sellouts would also be a boon to recruiting not only for basketball but for all sports.

Johnson City and the University did their job by renovating Freedom Hall, the coaches and the team have done their job of playing exciting and winning basketball. The fans have done better but not good enough.

Three games left. Are the fans going to pack Freedom Hall to see a possible 30 game winner, a league champion and a possible NCAA team or are they going to make their usual excuses for the thousands of empty seats?

What is your deal? I have provided data that ETSU fans (basketball) show out way better than their contemporaries. ETSU has attendance just below that of a group of 5 instead of low-mid major. We average more fans than Conference USA, West Coach Conference, MAC and WAC. You provide nothing but complaining about fans on this board. It is growing tiresome.

I like how you just brush off that Wichita State "has some good donors". The Koch brothers are more than "just some donors". That's like saying Pablo Escobar was "just some drug dealer".

http://www.etsubucs.com/mbasketball/news...or-forbes/

(02-19-2018 03:32 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  Buc76, that sounds great. The fact is that due to the issues that have been discussed to great lengths on this board, the local sports crowd is not going to pay $15 per ticket and deal with the accessibility issues to sell out a Tuesday night game instead of watching on ESPN3. We will have a fine turnout, but not close to a sell out. Wofford and Furman will be better than tomorrow night's game, but still not sure about a sellout.

Great news on the Forbes extension. Might not be enough to keep him, but at least we are trying.

Wofford is already getting close to a sellout. There are less seats available for it right now than the day before the Saturday home game against Chatt.

As I posted.....fans and their excuses.

Accessibility - Ridiculous excuse.

(02-19-2018 05:40 PM)Buc76 Wrote:  As I posted.....fans and their excuses.

Accessibility - Ridiculous excuse.

You left out $5 parking, security checks and cold hot dogs. ???

(02-19-2018 05:57 PM)PreacherPurl Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 05:40 PM)Buc76 Wrote:  As I posted.....fans and their excuses.

Accessibility - Ridiculous excuse.

security checks and cold hot dogs. ???

I believe you are targeting that toward me. At least quote me correctly. OUTSIDE security checks and HORRID concession quality. Actually I believe I said that hot dogs were edible, but pickle relish would be appreciated.

For the record, I have been a season ticket holder since 1989 and often attend away games also.

Thanks!

(02-19-2018 06:31 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 05:57 PM)PreacherPurl Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 05:40 PM)Buc76 Wrote:  As I posted.....fans and their excuses.

Accessibility - Ridiculous excuse.

security checks and cold hot dogs. ???

I believe you are targeting that toward me. At least quote me correctly. OUTSIDE security checks and HORRID concession quality. Actually I believe I said that hot dogs were edible, but pickle relish would be appreciated.

For the record, I have been a season ticket holder since 1989 and often attend away games also.

Thanks!

Don’t get your panties soiled. It wasn’t directed at anybody. I really don’t care. Just as I don’t care about how long you’ve been a ticket holder or your travel habits. But have a great evening!

(02-19-2018 07:32 PM)PreacherPurl Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 06:31 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 05:57 PM)PreacherPurl Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 05:40 PM)Buc76 Wrote:  As I posted.....fans and their excuses.

Accessibility - Ridiculous excuse.

security checks and cold hot dogs. ???

I believe you are targeting that toward me. At least quote me correctly. OUTSIDE security checks and HORRID concession quality. Actually I believe I said that hot dogs were edible, but pickle relish would be appreciated.

For the record, I have been a season ticket holder since 1989 and often attend away games also.

Thanks!

Don’t get your panties soiled. It wasn’t directed at anybody. I really don’t care. Just as I don’t care about how long you’ve been a ticket holder or your travel habits. But have a great evening!

I plan to, and hope you do also!