(02-09-2018 09:01 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I would take a tax and spend Democrat over a borrow and spend Republican. But in that scenario the a Republican is going to win.

They are Santa . With no January credit card bill. Your kids are going to pay it.

explain how the kids don't pay either way.......please......I'm beggin'..........

and I'm inna mood if haven't figured it out yet.....

and I can back it up....

I'm done with this stupid shite.....

your call.....

(02-09-2018 08:59 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  In absolute fairness you could say Republicans have just learned to,play the game like D’s. Just rewarding their constituents.


Refreshing honesty no?

They did the same thing during W.'s administration. They forced the Democratic House to show restraint when Reagan was president. They forced Clinton to show restraint. But W. didn't keep a tight leash on them, they thought they had a "permanent" majority and they spent like drunken Democrats.

(02-09-2018 08:56 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  When do we cross the Rubicon? I have no problem with deficit spending when we are in times of economic contraction. That makes perfect sense to me. I don’t understand deficit spending in times of economic expansion. I’m done finger pointing at one side or the other. They are both guilty as charged.

So, when in a hole... keep digging.

Got it.

Stupid. But got it.

We are making it much worse now though.... correct?

What’s the end game? Hunger Games senior citizen style?

Do we cut SS now? That’s the part the gates me. People vote to cut their own throats. I could see raising the age.

(02-10-2018 09:25 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  We are making it much worse now though.... correct?

What’s the end game? Hunger Games senior citizen style?

Do we cut SS now? That’s the part the gates me. People vote to cut their own throats. I could see raising the age.

Making what much worse now?

The same thing you stood on the parade sidewalk and waved the Pom poms for, for 8 years?

Uhhhhh, no.

Get the f#%^* out of the way and let the American people run.

Enough bullschit with the identity politics, worrying about whether jimmy-Jane has to use this bathroom or that, whether dudes in dresses belong in foxholes, everyone with a hangnail belongs on disability or food stamps, how stoned do we want our working age, able bodied population, whether a farmer can plant soy beans in a mud puddle, or how many farts a cow issues every day, how many more people can we put in the wagon instead of pulling it, how many more unemployed mouths to feed can we illegally import in the hopes for their illicit votes going forward?

The business of America is business.

Get to it, quit f#%*ing around, the rest can take care of itself.

#5%growth/expansion

(02-10-2018 09:25 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  We are making it much worse now though.... correct?

What’s the end game? Hunger Games senior citizen style?

Do we cut SS now? That’s the part the gates me. People vote to cut their own throats. I could see raising the age.

That part is all on the Democrats. W. wanted to do another fix of social security like Reagan did in the 80s. The Democrats refused and tried to use it for political gain. Obama denied there was a problem. Democrats are SS change deniers.

(02-10-2018 10:09 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 09:25 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  We are making it much worse now though.... correct?

What’s the end game? Hunger Games senior citizen style?

Do we cut SS now? That’s the part the gates me. People vote to cut their own throats. I could see raising the age.

That part is all on the Democrats. W. wanted to do another fix of social security like Reagan did in the 80s. The Democrats refused and tried to use it for political gain. Obama denied there was a problem. Democrats are SS change deniers.

The only problem with SS is politicians stealing from it.

W. went to war in the middle east using a credit card. It was unfunded, all on borrowed money. The spineless congress let him do it. That accounts for a good deal of debt.

(02-10-2018 09:57 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 09:25 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  We are making it much worse now though.... correct?

What’s the end game? Hunger Games senior citizen style?

Do we cut SS now? That’s the part the gates me. People vote to cut their own throats. I could see raising the age.

Making what much worse now?

The same thing you stood on the parade sidewalk and waved the Pom poms for, for 8 years?

Uhhhhh, no.

Get the f#%^* out of the way and let the American people run.

Enough bullschit with the identity politics, worrying about whether jimmy-Jane has to use this bathroom or that, whether dudes in dresses belong in foxholes, everyone with a hangnail belongs on disability or food stamps, how stoned do we want our working age, able bodied population, whether a farmer can plant soy beans in a mud puddle, or how many farts a cow issues every day, how many more people can we put in the wagon instead of pulling it, how many more unemployed mouths to feed can we illegally import in the hopes for their illicit votes going forward?

The business of America is business.

Get to it, quit f#%*ing around, the rest can take care of itself.

#5%growth/expansion

Wow! who pissed in your Wheaties today? Salty.

Your boy Trump the greatest negotiator of all time, one of the most successful business men in America is president! He has a republican congress. So just how are liberal ideals standing in the way of business!!
Your response was unusually emotional, full of hate. Pity.

(02-10-2018 09:25 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  We are making it much worse now though.... correct?
What’s the end game? Hunger Games senior citizen style?
Do we cut SS now? That’s the part the gates me. People vote to cut their own throats. I could see raising the age.

Solution is easy:

1) Make the SS tax 15% (7.5%/7.5%) and remove the income cap
2) Increase the full eligibility age one month per year for the next 48 years, until it hits 70
3) Do like Sweden and add a super 401k privatized portion of 5% (2.5%/2.5%); this goes a long way toward wealth equality by giving those at the bottom an equity stake in the future
4) Slow down inflationary growth at the to end

These moves would hurt me personally now, but are good in the long run.

Of course, I'm proposing this in the context of my other proposals to implement Bismarck health care funded by a consumption tax, which would also fund a guaranteed minimum income and a balanced budget, and would permit the individual income tax to be reduced sharply or eliminated altogether.

Still haven't heard any solutions from anyone on the left.

You know, I may have you mixed up with Optimistc Owl, but one or both of you constantly complain about socialism, so I find it ironical that almost all of your economic and social fixes come from European models. Explain, please.

(02-09-2018 02:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 07:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-08-2018 11:48 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You know when I read Demoncrats, libturd, and dumb party vs. evil party it really pisses me off. I have no respect for posters who post that, but in anger I post the exact same thing just to make others mad. Isn't that weird? It's human nature I guess. I'm emulating the worst posters on here because..... why?????? It really doesn't make sense. I'm mad that you guys are hypocrits. I've listened for 8 years how Obama is the devil because of the spending. Look at this look at that. Trump gets in office passes a tax cut that costs 1.5 trillion and this spending package is a trillion. It makes me see red...................

As long as you acknowledge that on the same basis as you get the $1.5 trillion and $1 trillion numbers, Obama is responsible for $9.5 trillion, we are on the same page.
I said above what it will take to balance the budget. That’s still what it takes, several posts later. Still waiting for someone to come up with an alternative.

Bump. Still waiting.

Are we just going to have one circle jerk after another of each side blaming the other, or is somebody going to come up with a solution?

Something such as you propose really is the only way to balance the budget. Too bad those in power in Washington WILL NEVER MOVE TO IMPLEMENT IT.

The power they hold derives from being able to pick winners and losers using the existing tax code structure. They can give relief to those that grease their campaign coffers and gore the ox of those on the other side of things.

So long as they are able to parlay a $175K job into being millionaires- nothing will be done to fix any of this........

Nail on head. Term limits and campaign finance reform. Beginnings to a solution.

(02-10-2018 10:17 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 10:09 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 09:25 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  We are making it much worse now though.... correct?

What’s the end game? Hunger Games senior citizen style?

Do we cut SS now? That’s the part the gates me. People vote to cut their own throats. I could see raising the age.

That part is all on the Democrats. W. wanted to do another fix of social security like Reagan did in the 80s. The Democrats refused and tried to use it for political gain. Obama denied there was a problem. Democrats are SS change deniers.

The only problem with SS is politicians stealing from it.

W. went to war in the middle east using a credit card. It was unfunded, all on borrowed money. The spineless congress let him do it. That accounts for a good deal of debt.

Another SS change denier.

Simple fact is that people are getting more out than was put in and there are fewer workers to support the pyramid scheme.

Politicians have been taking the money for years and giving back IOUs to fund deficits. Now the IOUs are coming due, but they still aren't enough to pay benefits.

(02-10-2018 10:25 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 09:25 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  We are making it much worse now though.... correct?
What’s the end game? Hunger Games senior citizen style?
Do we cut SS now? That’s the part the gates me. People vote to cut their own throats. I could see raising the age.

Solution is easy:

1) Make the SS tax 15% (7.5%/7.5%) and remove the income cap
2) Increase the full eligibility age one month per year for the next 48 years, until it hits 70
3) Do like Sweden and add a super 401k privatized portion of 5% (2.5%/2.5%); this goes a long way toward wealth equality by giving those at the bottom an equity stake in the future
4) Slow down inflationary growth at the to end

These moves would hurt me personally now, but are good in the long run.

Of course, I'm proposing this in the context of my other proposals to implement Bismarck health care funded by a consumption tax, which would also fund a guaranteed minimum income and a balanced budget, and would permit the individual income tax to be reduced sharply or eliminated altogether.

Still haven't heard any solutions from anyone on the left.

1)a) is NOT necessary. We need to raise it to fund Medicare. We don't need it to fund social security. Now we should take off the cap.
2) is necessary.
3) while I agree makes sense, its just not going to happen. Especially with the stock market crash of 2008 still fresh in people's memories. If W. couldn't get it done before that crash, its not going to happen now.
4) We have pegged inflation adjustments higher than the increase in the COL for decades. We need to make those adjustments based, not just on CPI, but on the adjusted CPI (adjusts for people's substitution behavior-when product A goes up, they buy product B).

This should be enough to balance it, or at least make it close enough that further changes aren't needed until after we get Medicare under control.

Congress doesn't seem to want to deal with things until there is a crisis. Its a function of too many professional politicians and too many lawyers. Its the way lawyers operate-pushing things until the last second.

(02-10-2018 10:22 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 09:57 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 09:25 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  We are making it much worse now though.... correct?

What’s the end game? Hunger Games senior citizen style?

Do we cut SS now? That’s the part the gates me. People vote to cut their own throats. I could see raising the age.

Making what much worse now?

The same thing you stood on the parade sidewalk and waved the Pom poms for, for 8 years?

Uhhhhh, no.

Get the f#%^* out of the way and let the American people run.

Enough bullschit with the identity politics, worrying about whether jimmy-Jane has to use this bathroom or that, whether dudes in dresses belong in foxholes, everyone with a hangnail belongs on disability or food stamps, how stoned do we want our working age, able bodied population, whether a farmer can plant soy beans in a mud puddle, or how many farts a cow issues every day, how many more people can we put in the wagon instead of pulling it, how many more unemployed mouths to feed can we illegally import in the hopes for their illicit votes going forward?

The business of America is business.

Get to it, quit f#%*ing around, the rest can take care of itself.

#5%growth/expansion

Wow! who pissed in your Wheaties today? Salty.

Your boy Trump the greatest negotiator of all time, one of the most successful business men in America is president! He has a republican congress. So just how are liberal ideals standing in the way of business!!
Your response was unusually emotional, full of hate. Pity.

Nope. Just layin it out there.

I’ll do it in Barney terms for you-

Get the f#%* out of the way. Let the American people do the heavy lifting, we’ve got broad shoulders. NO ONE is better off with interventionist government meddling in all aspects of our lives.
Government isn’t the solution, government is (a) the problem.

Sooner we get back to less government is good government, the better off we’ll all be.

(02-10-2018 11:14 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 10:22 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 09:57 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 09:25 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  We are making it much worse now though.... correct?

What’s the end game? Hunger Games senior citizen style?

Do we cut SS now? That’s the part the gates me. People vote to cut their own throats. I could see raising the age.

Making what much worse now?

The same thing you stood on the parade sidewalk and waved the Pom poms for, for 8 years?

Uhhhhh, no.

Get the f#%^* out of the way and let the American people run.

Enough bullschit with the identity politics, worrying about whether jimmy-Jane has to use this bathroom or that, whether dudes in dresses belong in foxholes, everyone with a hangnail belongs on disability or food stamps, how stoned do we want our working age, able bodied population, whether a farmer can plant soy beans in a mud puddle, or how many farts a cow issues every day, how many more people can we put in the wagon instead of pulling it, how many more unemployed mouths to feed can we illegally import in the hopes for their illicit votes going forward?

The business of America is business.

Get to it, quit f#%*ing around, the rest can take care of itself.

#5%growth/expansion

Wow! who pissed in your Wheaties today? Salty.

Your boy Trump the greatest negotiator of all time, one of the most successful business men in America is president! He has a republican congress. So just how are liberal ideals standing in the way of business!!
Your response was unusually emotional, full of hate. Pity.

Nope. Just layin it out there.

I’ll do it in Barney terms for you-

Get the f#%* out of the way. Let the American people do the heavy lifting, we’ve got broad shoulders. NO ONE is better off with interventionist government meddling in all aspects of our lives.
Government isn’t the solution, government is (a) the problem.

Sooner we get back to less government is good government, the better off we’ll all be.

For all of you who accuse me of regurgitating talking points, I give you exhibit A of a worn out talking point" Faithfully and mindlessly repeated by a repub

Hope you are consistent with that ideal. Gays fully agree with you there.

(02-10-2018 11:45 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 11:14 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 10:22 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 09:57 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-10-2018 09:25 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  We are making it much worse now though.... correct?

What’s the end game? Hunger Games senior citizen style?

Do we cut SS now? That’s the part the gates me. People vote to cut their own throats. I could see raising the age.

Making what much worse now?

The same thing you stood on the parade sidewalk and waved the Pom poms for, for 8 years?

Uhhhhh, no.

Get the f#%^* out of the way and let the American people run.

Enough bullschit with the identity politics, worrying about whether jimmy-Jane has to use this bathroom or that, whether dudes in dresses belong in foxholes, everyone with a hangnail belongs on disability or food stamps, how stoned do we want our working age, able bodied population, whether a farmer can plant soy beans in a mud puddle, or how many farts a cow issues every day, how many more people can we put in the wagon instead of pulling it, how many more unemployed mouths to feed can we illegally import in the hopes for their illicit votes going forward?

The business of America is business.

Get to it, quit f#%*ing around, the rest can take care of itself.

#5%growth/expansion

Wow! who pissed in your Wheaties today? Salty.

Your boy Trump the greatest negotiator of all time, one of the most successful business men in America is president! He has a republican congress. So just how are liberal ideals standing in the way of business!!
Your response was unusually emotional, full of hate. Pity.

Nope. Just layin it out there.

I’ll do it in Barney terms for you-

Get the f#%* out of the way. Let the American people do the heavy lifting, we’ve got broad shoulders. NO ONE is better off with interventionist government meddling in all aspects of our lives.
Government isn’t the solution, government is (a) the problem.

Sooner we get back to less government is good government, the better off we’ll all be.

For all of you who accuse me of regurgitating talking points, I give you exhibit A of a worn out talking point" Faithfully and mindlessly repeated by a repub

Hope you are consistent with that ideal. Gays fully agree with you there.

So, you can’t articulately argue the point, you throw out mind-numbing false platitudes instead.

Got it.


Why don’t you instead point to where the bloated federal government and the anonymous, faceless, unaccountable bureaucrats have made life better for the majority of Americans?

Betcha cant!

Seems your the one with the platitudes and talking points.

Address my question please. Are you consistent in your disdain for government interference in our private lives? Or do you only object when you disagree with the situation at hand?

When your drinking poisoned water tell me and choking down polluted air those pesky govt regulations will seem well worthwhile.

The Flint deal comes to mind. Righties like to blame the EPA but the fact if the matter is the Republican Governor wanted to squeeze Detroit and made Flunt switch their water supply. The water was fine to drink from the Flint river but was caustic and caused lead to leech from homes with lead pipes. Would not have happened if they kept Detroit water which the Republican governor made them switch.

(02-09-2018 06:29 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-09-2018 06:19 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-09-2018 05:59 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-09-2018 11:51 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I've said this before and I mean it: Islamism, Leftism, and Americanism are battling now for world values in the 21st century. Only one will win.

So the time for being consistent in your political views is long past. My goal is to see the complete and total destruction militant Islam, and then to remove leftism as a viable force in American politics (and hopefully the current Republican party not to far behind.)

And if that means Trump runs a deficit, then fine by me.

Oh I gotta hear this please define "leftism" and "Americanism" for me.

I can't speak for him, but to me Americanism means supporting our constitution (original intent) while leftism means subverting it (living document) every chance you get.

Guess I follow leftism then because the idea that we should strictly adhere to a 330+ year old document down to the letter is pure nonsense.

I think you meant 230+.


The document might be old, but the principles are timeless. That's the part I'm talking about.

But, hey, I give you kudos for admitting it.


Man, it's kinda hard for me to fathom, but you really think doing away with warrantless searches and seizures is the way to go?

And doing away with free speech and a free press? That's OK with you?

Wow.