(02-07-2018 11:24 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 11:17 AM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  His response is such B.S. Other than his time in KY, he has never been in a place with such built in advantages. Talented local base of players that grew up loving the program, NBA arena and facilitates, major donor support, having (usually) the #1 team at the University, huge fan base, tradition. There is no reason for this team to be so bad without any hope for the foreseeable future. It has been a while when we have had a team that is so devoid of high level talent, and the blame falls squarely on Tubby.

I think Tubby is an excellent floor coach, but is living in the past when it comes to recruiting high level talent. If he would hire a top notch recruiter, and move Saul to some other position, then maybe I could see some hope. But more and more I see that Tubby is a relic from a by gone era of college basketball who is getting top pay for inferior results.

Questionable.

An example is lack of calling timeouts last night.

(02-07-2018 10:51 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 10:38 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  He acts like the program was at rock bottom when he arrived. He needed 1 good recruiting class to get back to the NCAA's. He didn't do it and now blames 'expectations'.

This x 1 million

This old coot walked into a program with Dedric, KJ, Crawford and Jeremiah. He made no effort to keep Nick Marshall or Avery Woodson. 1st thing he did was take a vacation.

And he failed to pursue Nick King when Nick wanted to at least talk about returning home.

It's like he doesn't see any difference between Wichita State and Memphis.

We have so many natural recruiting advantages that WE DON'T HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.

(02-07-2018 01:49 PM)Dylan Wrote:  It's like he doesn't see any difference between Wichita State and Memphis.

We have so many natural recruiting advantages that WE DON'T HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.

Recruit and keep 2 of the top 4 players in Memphis every year
- 8 schollies

Recruit nationally 1 top 100-150 player every year
- 4 schollies

Fill last couple of spots with grad transfers / JUCOs
- 1-3 schollies

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Profit.

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You can recruit a good class every year on a tank of gas.

He's not thinking logically. His comments will not be logical

I thought Tubby would come in here and, with the advantages this program has over TTech and Minnesota, he would crank it up and retire in a blaze of glory. I thought with his decades of experience he could take this program right back into the top 25, maybe better. But that required work, and he's done zip.

Tubby has done nothing and he's not going to quit, he came in here retired already, so why leave $9,000,000 plus his son's salary on the table?

We're going to have to make him want to leave or fire him, he ain't going anywhere on his own.

(02-07-2018 01:04 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 11:24 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 11:17 AM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  His response is such B.S. Other than his time in KY, he has never been in a place with such built in advantages. Talented local base of players that grew up loving the program, NBA arena and facilitates, major donor support, having (usually) the #1 team at the University, huge fan base, tradition. There is no reason for this team to be so bad without any hope for the foreseeable future. It has been a while when we have had a team that is so devoid of high level talent, and the blame falls squarely on Tubby.

I think Tubby is an excellent floor coach, but is living in the past when it comes to recruiting high level talent. If he would hire a top notch recruiter, and move Saul to some other position, then maybe I could see some hope. But more and more I see that Tubby is a relic from a by gone era of college basketball who is getting top pay for inferior results.

Questionable.

An example is lack of calling timeouts last night.

Example: his belief that players shouldn't need motivation from coach. Aka need for team psychologist.

(02-07-2018 02:23 PM)gusrob Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 01:04 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 11:24 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 11:17 AM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  His response is such B.S. Other than his time in KY, he has never been in a place with such built in advantages. Talented local base of players that grew up loving the program, NBA arena and facilitates, major donor support, having (usually) the #1 team at the University, huge fan base, tradition. There is no reason for this team to be so bad without any hope for the foreseeable future. It has been a while when we have had a team that is so devoid of high level talent, and the blame falls squarely on Tubby.

I think Tubby is an excellent floor coach, but is living in the past when it comes to recruiting high level talent. If he would hire a top notch recruiter, and move Saul to some other position, then maybe I could see some hope. But more and more I see that Tubby is a relic from a by gone era of college basketball who is getting top pay for inferior results.

Questionable.

An example is lack of calling timeouts last night.

Example: his belief that players shouldn't need motivation from coach. Aka need for team psychologist.

If the coach is not responsible for Recruiting, not responsible for PR, not responsible for motivation then it is a lot easier to be a coach than I thought.

(02-07-2018 02:23 PM)gusrob Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 01:04 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 11:24 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 11:17 AM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  His response is such B.S. Other than his time in KY, he has never been in a place with such built in advantages. Talented local base of players that grew up loving the program, NBA arena and facilitates, major donor support, having (usually) the #1 team at the University, huge fan base, tradition. There is no reason for this team to be so bad without any hope for the foreseeable future. It has been a while when we have had a team that is so devoid of high level talent, and the blame falls squarely on Tubby.

I think Tubby is an excellent floor coach, but is living in the past when it comes to recruiting high level talent. If he would hire a top notch recruiter, and move Saul to some other position, then maybe I could see some hope. But more and more I see that Tubby is a relic from a by gone era of college basketball who is getting top pay for inferior results.

Questionable.

An example is lack of calling timeouts last night.

Example: his belief that players shouldn't need motivation from coach. Aka need for team psychologist.

If the coach is not responsible for Recruiting, not responsible for PR, not responsible for motivation then it is a lot easier to be a coach than I thought.

(02-07-2018 02:19 PM)cmt Wrote:  I thought Tubby would come in here and, with the advantages this program has over TTech and Minnesota, he would crank it up and retire in a blaze of glory. I thought with his decades of experience he could take this program right back into the top 25, maybe better. But that required work, and he's done zip.

Tubby has done nothing and he's not going to quit, he came in here retired already, so why leave $9,000,000 plus his son's salary on the table?

We're going to have to make him want to leave or fire him, he ain't going anywhere on his own.

It was my hope that he’d come here and have a staff that would gobble up the players and he would win with them. Obviously our ideas and hopes were just that, “our” ideas, certainly not Tubby’s. I think his view of recruiting is, it’s beneath him. He shouldn’t have to beg and kiss butt. His ego and stubbornness gets in the way big time.

If Bowen and Rudd think that making one change on the staff will fix everything and bring fans back to the Forum, they are sadly mistaken. It’s time to fix Tiger basketball, that I can tell you.

(02-07-2018 10:08 AM)WColt45 Wrote:  Who was it that said fans would be the next to get thrown under the bus by Tubby? Good call. Now we all shouldn't expect to win in year 2. What he fails to mention is that he ran off most of the existing talent we had on the team and had to scramble by signing JUCOs and no help is on the way with incoming recruits. We don't expect a national championship, or even a NCAA bid really, but we do expect to beat ECU and not lose by 20 on our home floor to anyone. In the end, the coach is responsible for the product that is put on the court and what is on the court is subpar to what Memphis should be. No offense to the players, because they're playing their hearts out, but Tubby shouldn't have put them in this position in the first place. He's blamed everyone except himself and the other coaches sitting next to him.

Dont you know....the last coach said we were from outer space?

(02-07-2018 03:25 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 02:19 PM)cmt Wrote:  I thought Tubby would come in here and, with the advantages this program has over TTech and Minnesota, he would crank it up and retire in a blaze of glory. I thought with his decades of experience he could take this program right back into the top 25, maybe better. But that required work, and he's done zip.

Tubby has done nothing and he's not going to quit, he came in here retired already, so why leave $9,000,000 plus his son's salary on the table?

We're going to have to make him want to leave or fire him, he ain't going anywhere on his own.

It was my hope that he’d come here and have a staff that would gobble up the players and he would win with them. Obviously our ideas and hopes were just that, “our” ideas, certainly not Tubby’s. I think his view of recruiting is, it’s beneath him. He shouldn’t have to beg and kiss butt. His ego and stubbornness gets in the way big time.

If Bowen and Rudd think that making one change on the staff will fix everything and bring fans back to the Forum, they are sadly mistaken. It’s time to fix Tiger basketball, that I can tell you.

I think he thought the local players would flock to him because some perceive him as a HOF coach. I think it's an ego thing with him.

(02-07-2018 04:09 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 03:25 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 02:19 PM)cmt Wrote:  I thought Tubby would come in here and, with the advantages this program has over TTech and Minnesota, he would crank it up and retire in a blaze of glory. I thought with his decades of experience he could take this program right back into the top 25, maybe better. But that required work, and he's done zip.

Tubby has done nothing and he's not going to quit, he came in here retired already, so why leave $9,000,000 plus his son's salary on the table?

We're going to have to make him want to leave or fire him, he ain't going anywhere on his own.

It was my hope that he’d come here and have a staff that would gobble up the players and he would win with them. Obviously our ideas and hopes were just that, “our” ideas, certainly not Tubby’s. I think his view of recruiting is, it’s beneath him. He shouldn’t have to beg and kiss butt. His ego and stubbornness gets in the way big time.

If Bowen and Rudd think that making one change on the staff will fix everything and bring fans back to the Forum, they are sadly mistaken. It’s time to fix Tiger basketball, that I can tell you.

I think he thought the local players would flock to him because some perceive him as a HOF coach. I think it's an ego thing with him.

Who knows what he thought, but he has let an amazing opportunity slip right through his fingers. He is not what our program needs.

It is an opportunity that would have benefited Tubby and his son, as well as us.

Water under the bridge.

Last night, Pete said Memphis fans were jumping in the River.

(02-07-2018 04:27 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 04:09 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 03:25 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-07-2018 02:19 PM)cmt Wrote:  I thought Tubby would come in here and, with the advantages this program has over TTech and Minnesota, he would crank it up and retire in a blaze of glory. I thought with his decades of experience he could take this program right back into the top 25, maybe better. But that required work, and he's done zip.

Tubby has done nothing and he's not going to quit, he came in here retired already, so why leave $9,000,000 plus his son's salary on the table?

We're going to have to make him want to leave or fire him, he ain't going anywhere on his own.

It was my hope that he’d come here and have a staff that would gobble up the players and he would win with them. Obviously our ideas and hopes were just that, “our” ideas, certainly not Tubby’s. I think his view of recruiting is, it’s beneath him. He shouldn’t have to beg and kiss butt. His ego and stubbornness gets in the way big time.

If Bowen and Rudd think that making one change on the staff will fix everything and bring fans back to the Forum, they are sadly mistaken. It’s time to fix Tiger basketball, that I can tell you.

I think he thought the local players would flock to him because some perceive him as a HOF coach. I think it's an ego thing with him.

Who knows what he thought, but he has let an amazing opportunity slip right through his fingers. He is not what our program needs.

Tubby was never thinking about how great of a job he was gonna do or that recruits were gonna flock to him.

Never.

I think I agree. Tubby's thinking might've stopped before he got here.

He just lowers fan expectations, coaches up whatever players he gets---as far as they go, then throws 'em under the bus and starts the cycle again.

Media does a great job of making us look like culprits---except Pete.

He seemed to want to jump in and tell Tubby what to do last night.

(02-07-2018 04:49 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I think I agree. Tubby's thinking might've stopped before he got here.

He just lowers fan expectations, coaches up whatever players he gets---as far as they go, then throws 'em under the bus and starts the cycle again.

Media does a great job of making us look like culprits---except Pete.

He seemed to want to jump in and tell Tubby what to do last night.

Out of context, I know, but ...
Gillen said last night that "Tubby is going crazy"

"All commend patience, but none can endure to suffer."

Thomas Fuller

He knows it's over