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RE: National Signing Day 2018
(02-09-2018 01:52 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
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(02-09-2018 04:13 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 03:47 AM)MUther Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 03:27 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Absolutely. There's definitely a lot of validity to the star rating systems. No, not every 4 or 5-star recruit will be highly successful in college, but they do have the most physical ability based on high school performance. If that isn't true, the top programs wouldn't be fighting over them.

Problem with the 4-5* kids we happen to get is getting them eligible and keeping them eligible and out of trouble. G5 don't get many of those without some concessions in academics or off the field problems. Just a fact of G5 life.

Ourland does not believe in 2nd chances so he does not want these reject kids at Rice. I guess he comes from a higher class and doesn't realize most FB players in poor areas come with some baggage. Football is a game where you learn to be aggressive at a very early age. So by the time you get to the point where you are good enough to play at a FBS level. A lot of times that aggression is not easily turned off just because you are no longer on the field.

So he does not want any player that needs a second chance...not in the class room and not in life. I personally would rather have those kids in school because once they get in that setting......

A lot of those kids go on to be very productive in football and life. That's better for everyone.

What a bunch of horse****.

We've had a bunch of guys who play at Rice get arrested before and maintain their place on the team (including some good players like Philip Gaines). They serve a suspension, get punished in the weight room, and get back out there. The difference is that we don't give second chances to those who have blown their chance at other schools. But hey, once you're at Rice, we'll show some loyalty to you.

Also, you act as if we have an entire team of silver spooners. While we do probably have a higher percentage of white, upper middle-class players on our team, we also routinely sign people from rough inner-city neighborhoods. Schools like Alief Elsik, Dallas Skyline, etc are hardly Phillips Exeter academy.

Also, if you want to talk s*** about Rice, what do you say to the fact that Rice is by almost any measure the most racially diverse school in the conference and also routinely scores among the most economically diverse amongst its peer institutions?

As a Rice fan (I assume you went there) I would have thought your comprehension would be better. Below is what I said...

Quote:Ourland does not believe in 2nd chances so he does not want these reject kids at Rice. I guess he comes from a higher class and doesn't realize most FB players in poor areas come with some baggage



So if what you said is true you need to tell it to Ourland (rice fan) because he said Rice doesn't take lowlife players that needs a 2nd chance. But he did offer to pray for me because of my views on this.

I apparently didn't pray hard enough.
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RE: National Signing Day 2018
(02-09-2018 02:54 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 01:52 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 12:48 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 04:13 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 03:47 AM)MUther Wrote:  Problem with the 4-5* kids we happen to get is getting them eligible and keeping them eligible and out of trouble. G5 don't get many of those without some concessions in academics or off the field problems. Just a fact of G5 life.

Ourland does not believe in 2nd chances so he does not want these reject kids at Rice. I guess he comes from a higher class and doesn't realize most FB players in poor areas come with some baggage. Football is a game where you learn to be aggressive at a very early age. So by the time you get to the point where you are good enough to play at a FBS level. A lot of times that aggression is not easily turned off just because you are no longer on the field.

So he does not want any player that needs a second chance...not in the class room and not in life. I personally would rather have those kids in school because once they get in that setting......

A lot of those kids go on to be very productive in football and life. That's better for everyone.

What a bunch of horse****.

We've had a bunch of guys who play at Rice get arrested before and maintain their place on the team (including some good players like Philip Gaines). They serve a suspension, get punished in the weight room, and get back out there. The difference is that we don't give second chances to those who have blown their chance at other schools. But hey, once you're at Rice, we'll show some loyalty to you.

Also, you act as if we have an entire team of silver spooners. While we do probably have a higher percentage of white, upper middle-class players on our team, we also routinely sign people from rough inner-city neighborhoods. Schools like Alief Elsik, Dallas Skyline, etc are hardly Phillips Exeter academy.

Also, if you want to talk s*** about Rice, what do you say to the fact that Rice is by almost any measure the most racially diverse school in the conference and also routinely scores among the most economically diverse amongst its peer institutions?

As a Rice fan (I assume you went there) I would have thought your comprehension would be better. Below is what I said...

Quote:Ourland does not believe in 2nd chances so he does not want these reject kids at Rice. I guess he comes from a higher class and doesn't realize most FB players in poor areas come with some baggage



So if what you said is true you need to tell it to Ourland (rice fan) because he said Rice doesn't take lowlife players that needs a 2nd chance. But he did offer to pray for me because of my views on this.

I apparently didn't pray hard enough.


As I said to you before....

someone that does not believe people and especially kids/young adults deserve 2nd chances. Should be praying for theirself. I only know one other, besides yourself, that never needed a 2nd chance because of a mistake
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RE: National Signing Day 2018
(02-09-2018 03:00 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 02:54 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 01:52 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 12:48 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 04:13 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Ourland does not believe in 2nd chances so he does not want these reject kids at Rice. I guess he comes from a higher class and doesn't realize most FB players in poor areas come with some baggage. Football is a game where you learn to be aggressive at a very early age. So by the time you get to the point where you are good enough to play at a FBS level. A lot of times that aggression is not easily turned off just because you are no longer on the field.

So he does not want any player that needs a second chance...not in the class room and not in life. I personally would rather have those kids in school because once they get in that setting......

A lot of those kids go on to be very productive in football and life. That's better for everyone.

What a bunch of horse****.

We've had a bunch of guys who play at Rice get arrested before and maintain their place on the team (including some good players like Philip Gaines). They serve a suspension, get punished in the weight room, and get back out there. The difference is that we don't give second chances to those who have blown their chance at other schools. But hey, once you're at Rice, we'll show some loyalty to you.

Also, you act as if we have an entire team of silver spooners. While we do probably have a higher percentage of white, upper middle-class players on our team, we also routinely sign people from rough inner-city neighborhoods. Schools like Alief Elsik, Dallas Skyline, etc are hardly Phillips Exeter academy.

Also, if you want to talk s*** about Rice, what do you say to the fact that Rice is by almost any measure the most racially diverse school in the conference and also routinely scores among the most economically diverse amongst its peer institutions?

As a Rice fan (I assume you went there) I would have thought your comprehension would be better. Below is what I said...

Quote:Ourland does not believe in 2nd chances so he does not want these reject kids at Rice. I guess he comes from a higher class and doesn't realize most FB players in poor areas come with some baggage



So if what you said is true you need to tell it to Ourland (rice fan) because he said Rice doesn't take lowlife players that needs a 2nd chance. But he did offer to pray for me because of my views on this.

I apparently didn't pray hard enough.


As I said to you before....

someone that does not believe people and especially kids/young adults deserve 2nd chances. Should be praying for theirself. I only know one other, besides yourself, that never needed a 2nd chance because of a mistake

On the contrary, I specifically stated that CUSA's recruiting standards are too low. I said that young men who have serious run-ins with the law while growing up, should not be playing major college football anywhere, and neither should any recruit who who cannot make the minimum 740 on the SAT. These kinds of players are not mature enough and/or scholastically prepared enough to take on the rigors of college life. Everyone knows they aren't qualified. These players need to learn the tough life lessons that will enable them to grow into responsible young men. They need time in the classroom at a junior college. They need to sit at home and see all their friends playing on television for a year or two. They need time in the local county jail, if that's what it takes for them to to grow up and earn the right to move on into the adult world. They need to be able to see clearly what they can have if they change for the better. They need to be well-rounded individuals who earn their scholarships due to responsibility, maturity, and being academically able in the classroom, not just because they can run a 40-yard dash in under four seconds. There's much more to it than that. I don't believe in special treatment for athletes. Plainly spoken, they shouldn't be offered a scholarship that they don't deserve.
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(02-09-2018 04:12 PM)Ourland Wrote:  On the contrary, I specifically stated that CUSA's recruiting standards are too low. I said that young men who have serious run-ins with the law while growing up, should not be playing major college football anywhere, and neither should any recruit who who cannot make the minimum 740 on the SAT. These kinds of players are not mature enough and/or scholastically prepared enough to take on the rigors of college life. Everyone knows they aren't qualified. These players need to learn the tough life lessons that will enable them to grow into responsible young men. They need time in the classroom at a junior college. They need to sit at home and see all their friends playing on television for a year or two. They need time in the local county jail, if that's what it takes for them to to grow up and earn the right to move on into the adult world. They need to be able to see clearly what they can have if they change for the better. They need to be well-rounded individuals who earn their scholarships due to responsibility, maturity, and being academically able in the classroom, not just because they can run a 40-yard dash in under four seconds. There's much more to it than that. I don't believe in special treatment for athletes. Plainly spoken, they shouldn't be offered a scholarship if they don't deserve it.

So tonight I'll be praying that your reading and comprehension improves...a lot.

Please provide examples using Florida Atlantic student-athletes who don't meet the above standards because these are some bold accusations and you provide zero evidence to the contrary. I will easily counter how they meet your standards and do deserve a scholarship.
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RE: National Signing Day 2018
(02-09-2018 05:18 PM)thefaU Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 04:12 PM)Ourland Wrote:  On the contrary, I specifically stated that CUSA's recruiting standards are too low. I said that young men who have serious run-ins with the law while growing up, should not be playing major college football anywhere, and neither should any recruit who who cannot make the minimum 740 on the SAT. These kinds of players are not mature enough and/or scholastically prepared enough to take on the rigors of college life. Everyone knows they aren't qualified. These players need to learn the tough life lessons that will enable them to grow into responsible young men. They need time in the classroom at a junior college. They need to sit at home and see all their friends playing on television for a year or two. They need time in the local county jail, if that's what it takes for them to to grow up and earn the right to move on into the adult world. They need to be able to see clearly what they can have if they change for the better. They need to be well-rounded individuals who earn their scholarships due to responsibility, maturity, and being academically able in the classroom, not just because they can run a 40-yard dash in under four seconds. There's much more to it than that. I don't believe in special treatment for athletes. Plainly spoken, they shouldn't be offered a scholarship if they don't deserve it.

So tonight I'll be praying that your reading and comprehension improves...a lot.

Please provide examples using Florida Atlantic student-athletes who don't meet the above standards because these are some bold accusations and you provide zero evidence to the contrary. I will easily counter how they meet your standards and do deserve a scholarship.
I don't jump through hoops for anyone. There are countless examples of schools taking partial qualifiers and aspiring criminals throughout this country. I don't care enough about FAU to do your homework for you.
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(02-09-2018 06:53 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I don't jump through hoops for anyone. There are countless examples of schools taking partial qualifiers and aspiring criminals throughout this country. I don't care enough about FAU to do your homework for you.

You just make baseless accusations. Got it.
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(02-09-2018 06:53 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I don't jump through hoops for anyone. There are countless examples of schools taking partial qualifiers and aspiring criminals throughout this country. I don't care enough about FAU to do your homework for you.

You just make baseless accusations. Got it.

You can't keep up.
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(02-09-2018 08:53 PM)Ourland Wrote:  You can't keep up.

Yet Rice has not only had football players engage in sexual assault, but students have mocked it as well. Sexual assault is a real issue that shouldn't be dismissed, like you're trying to do with my education from a public university. But, I guess if you're able to attend Rice, you won't have to face criminal prosecution. If only some of our players could've gotten into such an elite institution...
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RE: National Signing Day 2018
(02-09-2018 09:10 PM)thefaU Wrote:  
(02-09-2018 08:53 PM)Ourland Wrote:  You can't keep up.

Yet Rice has not only had football players engage in sexual assault, but students have mocked it as well. Sexual assault is a real issue that shouldn't be dismissed, like you're trying to do with my education from a public university. But, I guess if you're able to attend Rice, you won't have to face criminal prosecution. If only some of our players could've gotten into such an elite institution...

Not disagreeing with your premise that Rice players get into trouble too (though I do think at a lower rate than most schools in the NCAA)...

But to conflate an incident in 2004 with the Baylor MOB thing which was twelve years later is totally inappropriate (especially when Rice removed the players from the team and kicked them off campus, neither of which Baylor did) is totally dishonest on your part.

And nice job going all conspiracy theory on why they got off (I really know nothing about the case as I was 7 years old at the time of the alleged crime).
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(02-09-2018 09:45 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Not disagreeing with your premise that Rice players get into trouble too (though I do think at a lower rate than most schools in the NCAA)...

But to conflate an incident in 2004 with the Baylor MOB thing which was twelve years later is totally inappropriate (especially when Rice removed the players from the team and kicked them off campus, neither of which Baylor did) is totally dishonest on your part.

And nice job going all conspiracy theory on why they got off (I really know nothing about the case as I was 7 years old at the time of the alleged crime).

Ourland's premise is Rice doesn't recruit any players of low morality. He often attacks the rest of the conference for doing so, more so Florida Atlantic as of late. You can read some of his colorful commentary on this thread.

And the topic of sexual assault was the overall intention. I should've phrased it "students have mocked sexual assault as well." However, the date of the crime shouldn't diminish the severity of it either. It shows two instances in which Rice students acted regarding sexual assault. I don't mention how Rice handled the situations because, to Ourland, it doesn't matter how we handle it - if you'd recruited players with morals to begin with, this would've never been an issue.

And the reason why I make baseless accusations in the above post is because I wanted Ourland to see exactly what he does.

That was not a post directed at Rice itself; it was only directed at Ourland.
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