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RE: Whither the A10 and Big East?
The Big East is doing fine against the P5 over the past 5 years with a record of 129-104.
02-04-2018 10:38 PM
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RE: Whither the A10 and Big East?
(02-04-2018 08:42 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  No. Last place big East St Johns (0-11) beat Duke. The big east is a power. The A-10 is a league for high school gym schools and St Louis

Fordham, St Joe's, GW, LaSalle , St Bonvature, Duquesne and Davidson play in dumps. The other half play in better arenas than ECU. They definitely play better basketball than ECU as well.
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RE: Whither the A10 and Big East?
your right kitten, A-10 is sliping
AAC ought to be looking at VCU, Mass, St Lious & Dayton
MVC is geting better, Dayton & St Lious should thinking about MVC
saving on travel & packed Conf tourn would help
02-05-2018 12:45 AM
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RE: Whither the A10 and Big East?
The Big East is in a completely different position than the A-10. In basketball, the Big East has legit power conference status (both in terms of TV money and overall perception) and that's not likely to go away. The conference also has complete poaching power over every non-FBS Division conference outside of the Ivy League. While a lot of people on this board like to talk about how the next Big East TV contract might be much less, they keep neglecting the fact that they're locked in on that deal until 2025. This isn't a matter where cord cutting is going to cause that revenue stream to suddenly going away (and that's assuming that the worst case scenario that the Big East would receive less in the future, as I actually think the Big East's stature is much higher than what many pundits anticipated when the current version was formed). On that point, the Big East is simply like every other conference in terms of where future media revenue is going to come from.

The A-10 is in a very precarious position, although to be fair, that's going to be the case for every league outside of the P5, Big East and Ivy League. To the extent that, say, Dayton or St. Louis (or my sleeper expansion pick of Davidson) become extremely desirable, the Big East can easily pick them off in the same manner that a P5 conference can pick off any school that achieves superstar status in the AAC, MWC or the rest of the G5. The A-10 is going to be a mish-mash of the best parts available in the same way that the AAC is for football. Now, they can certainly be good from year-to-year and take advantage of how the Big East might not like off-the-court factors of certain expansion targets (e.g. the location and market of Dayton), but it will never be stable.
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RE: Whither the A10 and Big East?
(02-04-2018 10:42 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 08:42 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  No. Last place big East St Johns (0-11) beat Duke. The big east is a power. The A-10 is a league for high school gym schools and St Louis

Fordham, St Joe's, GW, LaSalle , St Bonvature, Duquesne and Davidson play in dumps. The other half play in better arenas than ECU. They definitely play better basketball than ECU as well.

Comparing them to ECU? Hahahaha!!!! That's funny!
ECU is a football school with a p5 stadium. The A10 schools you mentioned are basketball only schools.......and you compared them to.....ECU! Hahahaha....
02-05-2018 09:32 AM
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RE: Whither the A10 and Big East?
(02-05-2018 09:32 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 10:42 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 08:42 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  No. Last place big East St Johns (0-11) beat Duke. The big east is a power. The A-10 is a league for high school gym schools and St Louis

Fordham, St Joe's, GW, LaSalle , St Bonvature, Duquesne and Davidson play in dumps. The other half play in better arenas than ECU. They definitely play better basketball than ECU as well.

Comparing them to ECU? Hahahaha!!!! That's funny!
ECU is a football school with a p5 stadium. The A10 schools you mentioned are basketball only schools.......and you compared them to.....ECU! Hahahaha....

I mean, they're not wrong - the top end of the A10 plays better basketball than ECU and many have a better facility as well. It is what it is. Given that they're basketball-first schools, it'd honestly be kind of weird if that wasn't the case.
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RE: Whither the A10 and Big East?
The A10 deal ends in 2020, I think? It's a share between ESPN, CBS, and NBC.

While the A10's performance has slipped over time, it's content that's been driving these deals. 150 games over 8 years is about 18-19/year; it's not that much for a conference that size and with the parity within it (as well as its hauls in the non-conference). There's room for the A10 to grow. Then again, to stay visible, does the A10 give up content for the same or less money? A similar deal monetarily for 20 games a season for five years?
02-06-2018 04:45 AM
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RE: Whither the A10 and Big East?
you got Davidson as expansion target for the BE, wow.
im still trying to figure out why A-10 took them.
now I do see BE & AAC shying away from Dayton due to Cin schools.
02-06-2018 05:44 AM
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(02-06-2018 05:44 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  you got Davidson as expansion target for the BE, wow.
im still trying to figure out why A-10 took them.
now I do see BE & AAC shying away from Dayton due to Cin schools.

I wouldn't quite call Davidson a "target", but they ought to be in the mix as much as anyone in the event that the Big East ever decides to expand.

Think like a university president and not like a fan: Davidson is an ELITE academic school (if there was an Ivy League for liberal arts colleges, Davidson would likely be a member), has a location in the Charlotte TV market, provides an Eastern option in a 2-team Big East expansion scenario when the other school would almost certainly come from the Midwest (which is important for the Eastern-based Catholic 7 so that the league doesn't become "too Midwestern"), and has solid on-the-court credentials in terms of NCAA Tournament appearances. The main knock on Davidson is that it has a small enrollment size, but as I've stated elsewhere, that is generally irrelevant (as people on this board tend to vastly underrate the conference realignment value of private schools and overrate the conference realignment value of non-flagship/flagship-equivalent public schools based on size).
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Davidson would be a very interesting long-term candidate. It will be interesting to see how they invest in their program once McKillop retires. They had just five NCAA Tournament appearances before he was hired there (but he has been there a very long time). They have the location and institutional profile that the conference would desire.
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