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RE: Game Week: @Kent and @BG
(02-10-2018 02:35 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(02-07-2018 11:38 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  STAT UPDATE:

https://static.getsomemaction.com/custom...nfonly.htm


Through 11 conference games, we are now first in the MAC in scoring defense, opposing FG%, opposing 3pt%, blocks (averaging 2 more per game than the 2nd place team), and steals. Not bad for a coach that can't teach defense, right Luckey?

...Unfortunately, we are dead last in scoring offense and free throw percentage, as well as 11th in turnovers (only 6 less than the 12th spot, Ball State). These last two games have shown this disparity as well. We look stellar on defense, but our lack of offense keeps the opponent in the game. I saw some nice offensive changes yesterday, notably Groce attacking the basket with less reckless abandon, and Thompson looking more confident as the roll man on PnR's. If we made even our season average in three pointers, we would have coasted. But it's always something that holds our offense back, and it seems to be a different "something" every game.

I think we are past the point of hoping that Murphy miraculously improves our offensive system. Our season now hinges on our defense remaining suffocating, as well as scoring enough in transition to not make it a free throw contest at the end of games.

Let's hope beating a good Kent State team on the road is the confidence builder this team needs to get some revenge at BG.
Sam, you and I can agree to disagree about our defense. I agree with a lot of your posts, player analysis and game analysis too but if you're telling me EMUs defense is best in the conference, I would whole heartedly disagree with you. Murphy does not run Syracuse's 2-3 zone but rather more similar to a 4-1. He absolutely wants to stop the opponents 3 pt field goals. Impatient teams or one dimensional offenses struggle scoring with the zone. However patient teams that work the ball to the paint and then assist to a base line cutter usually gets a layup or a kick out to a wide open shooter in the corner. Then there's the biggest flaw of the zone and that's giving opponents too many shot attempts. I can't recall the game but we gave up 11 offensive rebounds in the first half alone. EMU ranks last in rebounding and last at giving opponents offensive rebounds. DEFENSIVE REB PCT. G Team D-Reb Opp. O-REb D-Reb Pct.
1. Miami 12 307 99 .756
2. Bowling Green 11 289 97 .749
3. Buffalo 11 313 110 .740
4. Ball State 12 343 128 .728
5. Western Michigan 11 257 96 .728
6. Toledo 12 350 131 .728
7. Kent State 12 296 112 .725
8. Northern Illinois 11 258 98 .725
9. Akron 11 257 99 .722
10. Central Michigan 11 269 110 .710
11. Ohio 11 280 117 .705
12. Eastern Michigan 11 269 134 .667

Although the zone allows players to gamble for a steal or defend the three point shot, it can rip your heart out and doesn't provide the overall benefit when opponents get too many shot attempts.

Also, although our scoring defense might be number one, I believe it's somewhat misleading because Murphy slows the game down because his Offense is so bad. During Ron English's last season as Football coach, his defense was last in giving up rushing yards and 1st in passing defense. Do you really believe it was 1st in passing defense or that since the other teams could run at will they didn't need to pass? I'm saying You have to look deeper in the stats because they may not tell the whole story.

EMU just had an opportunity playing a soft part of their conference schedule. Let's see how we do with Toledo coming up twice, NIU and WMU. Then let's look at the season stats.

Sam, how can EMU be last in rebounding when we have the second tallest team in the country? Answer: Zone leaves you out of position. During Murphy's tenure, he's typically had the most athletic team. There's no one in the conference more athletic than Tim Bond. There's no one better at the 4 & 5 spots than Minnie and James. I wonder what our record would be if we played some man to man? I would bet we may lead the league in rebounding, opponent 3 pt FG %, scoring defense, and add a few more wins.

Unquestionably we all agree with you that Murphy can't coach offense and the anemic FT % is on the players.

I'm still predicting we win 8-10 regular season conference games.

#FakeAnalysis

If you did your homeworked thoroughly and honestly I don't think you would have come up with those conclusions.

I can rebut them and shred your arguments:

This is your statement:

"Also, although our scoring defense might be number one, I believe it's somewhat misleading because Murphy slows the game down because his Offense is so bad."

I assume there are say several conference statistics which are relevant.

First, everyone agrees we lead the conference is fewest points scored against...

Second, if it because the opponents are taking a very low number of shots OR is it because they are making a very low percentage (2-pointers and 3-pointers).

https://static.getsomemaction.com/custom...nfonly.htm

Taking the 3-ball: Our opponents have attempted 255 treys. That is around the average. BTW, four teams have played 12 games; us 11. So opponents are shooting the 3-ball against us pretty much like the league as a whole. There is no story there.

We are giving up the SECOND lowest PERCENTAGE of treys. That argues AGAINST the notion that the zone is a sieve when it comes to the 3-ball.

As far as FG percentage (defense) total: Opponents are shooting .396 the LOWEST in the conference.

BTW, looking at FG PERCENTAGES instead of total points scored, etc. that factors out as strategy of 'taking the air out of the ball' trying to keep the score down.

"I'm saying You have to look deeper in the stats because they may not tell the whole story." Luckey, you shot yourself in the foot with that statement. Self-inflicted wound.

And we lead the MAC in blocked shots and steals, two nice defensive statistics.

And for those who don't want to get into all of the percentages of shots made, shots attempted, etc. etc.

How about this 'stat': Might we lead the MAC in forcing shot clock violations??? How often have we seen opponents thoroughly befuddled on offense and get hit with a shot clock violation?
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RE: Game Week: @Kent and @BG
(02-10-2018 03:08 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 02:35 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(02-07-2018 11:38 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  STAT UPDATE:

https://static.getsomemaction.com/custom...nfonly.htm


Through 11 conference games, we are now first in the MAC in scoring defense, opposing FG%, opposing 3pt%, blocks (averaging 2 more per game than the 2nd place team), and steals. Not bad for a coach that can't teach defense, right Luckey?

...Unfortunately, we are dead last in scoring offense and free throw percentage, as well as 11th in turnovers (only 6 less than the 12th spot, Ball State). These last two games have shown this disparity as well. We look stellar on defense, but our lack of offense keeps the opponent in the game. I saw some nice offensive changes yesterday, notably Groce attacking the basket with less reckless abandon, and Thompson looking more confident as the roll man on PnR's. If we made even our season average in three pointers, we would have coasted. But it's always something that holds our offense back, and it seems to be a different "something" every game.

I think we are past the point of hoping that Murphy miraculously improves our offensive system. Our season now hinges on our defense remaining suffocating, as well as scoring enough in transition to not make it a free throw contest at the end of games.

Let's hope beating a good Kent State team on the road is the confidence builder this team needs to get some revenge at BG.
Sam, you and I can agree to disagree about our defense. I agree with a lot of your posts, player analysis and game analysis too but if you're telling me EMUs defense is best in the conference, I would whole heartedly disagree with you. Murphy does not run Syracuse's 2-3 zone but rather more similar to a 4-1. He absolutely wants to stop the opponents 3 pt field goals. Impatient teams or one dimensional offenses struggle scoring with the zone. However patient teams that work the ball to the paint and then assist to a base line cutter usually gets a layup or a kick out to a wide open shooter in the corner. Then there's the biggest flaw of the zone and that's giving opponents too many shot attempts. I can't recall the game but we gave up 11 offensive rebounds in the first half alone. EMU ranks last in rebounding and last at giving opponents offensive rebounds. DEFENSIVE REB PCT. G Team D-Reb Opp. O-REb D-Reb Pct.
1. Miami 12 307 99 .756
2. Bowling Green 11 289 97 .749
3. Buffalo 11 313 110 .740
4. Ball State 12 343 128 .728
5. Western Michigan 11 257 96 .728
6. Toledo 12 350 131 .728
7. Kent State 12 296 112 .725
8. Northern Illinois 11 258 98 .725
9. Akron 11 257 99 .722
10. Central Michigan 11 269 110 .710
11. Ohio 11 280 117 .705
12. Eastern Michigan 11 269 134 .667

Although the zone allows players to gamble for a steal or defend the three point shot, it can rip your heart out and doesn't provide the overall benefit when opponents get too many shot attempts.

Also, although our scoring defense might be number one, I believe it's somewhat misleading because Murphy slows the game down because his Offense is so bad. During Ron English's last season as Football coach, his defense was last in giving up rushing yards and 1st in passing defense. Do you really believe it was 1st in passing defense or that since the other teams could run at will they didn't need to pass? I'm saying You have to look deeper in the stats because they may not tell the whole story.

EMU just had an opportunity playing a soft part of their conference schedule. Let's see how we do with Toledo coming up twice, NIU and WMU. Then let's look at the season stats.

Sam, how can EMU be last in rebounding when we have the second tallest team in the country? Answer: Zone leaves you out of position. During Murphy's tenure, he's typically had the most athletic team. There's no one in the conference more athletic than Tim Bond. There's no one better at the 4 & 5 spots than Minnie and James. I wonder what our record would be if we played some man to man? I would bet we may lead the league in rebounding, opponent 3 pt FG %, scoring defense, and add a few more wins.

Unquestionably we all agree with you that Murphy can't coach offense and the anemic FT % is on the players.

I'm still predicting we win 8-10 regular season conference games.

#FakeAnalysis

If you did your homeworked thoroughly and honestly I don't think you would have come up with those conclusions.

I can rebut them and shred your arguments:

This is your statement:

"Also, although our scoring defense might be number one, I believe it's somewhat misleading because Murphy slows the game down because his Offense is so bad."

I assume there are say several conference statistics which are relevant.

First, everyone agrees we lead the conference is fewest points scored against...

Second, if it because the opponents are taking a very low number of shots OR is it because they are making a very low percentage (2-pointers and 3-pointers).

https://static.getsomemaction.com/custom...nfonly.htm

Taking the 3-ball: Our opponents have attempted 255 treys. That is around the average. BTW, four teams have played 12 games; us 11. So opponents are shooting the 3-ball against us pretty much like the league as a whole. There is no story there.

We are giving up the SECOND lowest PERCENTAGE of treys. That argues AGAINST the notion that the zone is a sieve when it comes to the 3-ball.

As far as FG percentage (defense) total: Opponents are shooting .396 the LOWEST in the conference.

BTW, looking at FG PERCENTAGES instead of total points scored, etc. that factors out as strategy of 'taking the air out of the ball' trying to keep the score down.

"I'm saying You have to look deeper in the stats because they may not tell the whole story." Luckey, you shot yourself in the foot with that statement. Self-inflicted wound.

And we lead the MAC in blocked shots and steals, two nice defensive statistics.

And for those who don't want to get into all of the percentages of shots made, shots attempted, etc. etc.

How about this 'stat': Might we lead the MAC in forcing shot clock violations??? How often have we seen opponents thoroughly befuddled on offense and get hit with a shot clock violation?

Steve,

As you've mentioned, you've never played the game in an organized manner, and your continuous support of Murphy's exclusive zone underscores your lack of knowledge and understanding of the game. I don't think you can objectively and adequately digest, all of the ingredients that form a good defensive team and disseminate a comprehensive analysis. The bottom line is, EMU is last at rebounding and we give our opponents way too many second, and third chances at scoring the ball because that is the weakness of the zone. I can guarantee when EMU used to win the MAC, we were not last in giving opponents offensive rebounds.

The reality is, Murphy recruits such stellar athletes, we will have some success no matter what defense he uses because typically he has more talent. If the zone defense was the best strategy to execute, then Calipari, Kryzewski (sp?), Izzo, etc would run it exclusively but they do not because you leave your team susceptible to giving up too many rebounds.

With a 20 pt lead at halftime today, all we had to do was play decent defense, rebound the ball and score occasionally. BG made some adjustments because they already knew EMU wouldn't, and they killed us in the second half with open 3 pt shots and multiple shot attempts by obtaining offensive rebounds. Murphy will always underachieve no matter how well he does on offense if his team is last, I'll say it again L.A.S.T in rebounding:

DEFENSIVE REB PCT. G Team D-Reb Opp. O-REb D-Reb Pct.
1. Miami 12 307 99 .756
2. Bowling Green 11 289 97 .749
3. Buffalo 11 313 110 .740
4. Ball State 12 343 128 .728
5. Western Michigan 11 257 96 .728
6. Toledo 12 350 131 .728
7. Kent State 12 296 112 .725
8. Northern Illinois 11 258 98 .725
9. Akron 11 257 99 .722
10. Central Michigan 11 269 110 .710
11. Ohio 11 280 117 .705
12. Eastern Michigan 11 269 134 .667

Enough said, Murphy's days at EMU are numbered.....
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RE: Game Week: @Kent and @BG
Luckey, I can't help but laugh when you question other's intelligence and knowledge of the game, while at the same time writing a dissertation about the defense and rebounding in a game where we scored 25 points in the last 25 minutes of game time. For the millionth time, Murphy will likely lose his job because of his non-existent offense that allows our worst offensive player to take the most shots.

Your continued, hilarious assault on the zone, and lack of basic understanding of statistics, is truly a spectacle.
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RE: Game Week: @Kent and @BG
(02-10-2018 08:42 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Luckey, I can't help but laugh when you question other's intelligence and knowledge of the game, while at the same time writing a dissertation about the defense and rebounding in a game where we scored 25 points in the last 25 minutes of game time. For the millionth time, Murphy will likely lose his job because of his non-existent offense that allows our worst offensive player to take the most shots.

Your continued, hilarious assault on the zone, and lack of basic understanding of statistics, is truly a spectacle.
I think besides you and Steve, most of the EMU fans on this forum agree with me. Murphy is terrible at coaching offense and defense.
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RE: Game Week: @Kent and @BG
(02-10-2018 09:42 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 08:42 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Luckey, I can't help but laugh when you question other's intelligence and knowledge of the game, while at the same time writing a dissertation about the defense and rebounding in a game where we scored 25 points in the last 25 minutes of game time. For the millionth time, Murphy will likely lose his job because of his non-existent offense that allows our worst offensive player to take the most shots.

Your continued, hilarious assault on the zone, and lack of basic understanding of statistics, is truly a spectacle.
I think besides you and Steve, most of the EMU fans on this forum agree with me. Murphy is terrible at coaching offense and defense.

I'm not sure most agree about the "and defense"

Luckey, statistics don't lie. The statistics I presented were comprehensive (I didn't cherry pick one or two to make a point) and overwhelming.

Even today EMU gave up 70 points in 45 minutes (really 60 in 40 minutes which is the real stat) which is not a bad number at all; actually quite good.

The team in the 2nd half seemed shell shocked. As far as the game, BG looked shell shocked in the first half; EMU in the 2nd.

If there is a lesson: don't be shell shocked at the end when the game is being decided. We learned it today. The Atlanta Falcons learned it a year ago...

To me this is a flashback to the Ball State game two years ago at the Convo where we lost on another three point play in what double OT.
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RE: Game Week: @Kent and @BG
(02-10-2018 09:42 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 08:42 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Luckey, I can't help but laugh when you question other's intelligence and knowledge of the game, while at the same time writing a dissertation about the defense and rebounding in a game where we scored 25 points in the last 25 minutes of game time. For the millionth time, Murphy will likely lose his job because of his non-existent offense that allows our worst offensive player to take the most shots.

Your continued, hilarious assault on the zone, and lack of basic understanding of statistics, is truly a spectacle.
I think besides you and Steve, most of the EMU fans on this forum agree with me. Murphy is terrible at coaching offense and defense.

You keep saying things as if they are fact, and it simply isn't the case. Our defense is among the best in the conference, and that is proven by several different statistical factors. Our offense and free throw shooting are, statistically, among the worst in the league and continue to handicap us. Combine that and it leads to mediocrity. Hence, the 5-7 record.
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(02-10-2018 11:45 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 09:42 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 08:42 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Luckey, I can't help but laugh when you question other's intelligence and knowledge of the game, while at the same time writing a dissertation about the defense and rebounding in a game where we scored 25 points in the last 25 minutes of game time. For the millionth time, Murphy will likely lose his job because of his non-existent offense that allows our worst offensive player to take the most shots.

Your continued, hilarious assault on the zone, and lack of basic understanding of statistics, is truly a spectacle.
I think besides you and Steve, most of the EMU fans on this forum agree with me. Murphy is terrible at coaching offense and defense.

You keep saying things as if they are fact, and it simply isn't the case. Our defense is among the best in the conference, and that is proven by several different statistical factors. Our offense and free throw shooting are, statistically, among the worst in the league and continue to handicap us. Combine that and it leads to mediocrity. Hence, the 5-7 record.

Indeed, as Sam indicates: in sports the best (offense [or defense]) combined with the worst (defense [or offense]) will probably produce a mid-pack result.

Indeed, EMU is TWO points from a 7 - 5 record (the regulation margin in the two BG games). And 5 - 7 is a mid-pack record.

One other thing was on display today: Most teams do not have two bad halves of basketball. What we saw was more typical. Each had one good half and one really bad half.
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(02-10-2018 11:51 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 11:45 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 09:42 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 08:42 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Luckey, I can't help but laugh when you question other's intelligence and knowledge of the game, while at the same time writing a dissertation about the defense and rebounding in a game where we scored 25 points in the last 25 minutes of game time. For the millionth time, Murphy will likely lose his job because of his non-existent offense that allows our worst offensive player to take the most shots.

Your continued, hilarious assault on the zone, and lack of basic understanding of statistics, is truly a spectacle.
I think besides you and Steve, most of the EMU fans on this forum agree with me. Murphy is terrible at coaching offense and defense.

You keep saying things as if they are fact, and it simply isn't the case. Our defense is among the best in the conference, and that is proven by several different statistical factors. Our offense and free throw shooting are, statistically, among the worst in the league and continue to handicap us. Combine that and it leads to mediocrity. Hence, the 5-7 record.

Indeed, as Sam indicates: in sports the best (offense [or defense]) combined with the worst (defense [or offense]) will probably produce a mid-pack result.

Indeed, EMU is TWO points from a 7 - 5 record (the regulation margin in the two BG games). And 5 - 7 is a mid-pack record.

One other thing was on display today: Most teams do not have two bad halves of basketball. What we saw was more typical. Each had one good half and one really bad half.

I agree Murphy's teams do play some very good defense. Like Luckey, however, I am frustrated at the 100% all consuming aspect to it as well as the offensive rebounding it allows. In my opinion our lack of offense is a direct result of the emphasis on the precious "zone" instead of developing any offensive strategy. It also dominates our recruiting efforts as we go after long, lanky, fast guys who can play it well. BG's two 3 point shooters Frye and Fox simply are not EMU material because they are not athletic enough to contribute to our zone defense but they indeed shredded it twice this year with 3 pointers.

Yes Steve we do have a great zone defense but like Castro does with the women's team we need to make an adjustment at times. If a team is killing us with put backs on missed shots or drilling open threes, it's time to come out of the zone for awhile. That's what successful coaches do.

We made BG look pretty silly yesterday in the first half. Then they came out of the locker room looking for the high post to baseline pass and made a lot of baskets. They also crashed the offensive boards. Murphy, to his credit tightened up the zone but then the threes started raining. That is what coaching is all about and why we consistently lose the second half of our games.
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(02-11-2018 07:10 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 11:51 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 11:45 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 09:42 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 08:42 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Luckey, I can't help but laugh when you question other's intelligence and knowledge of the game, while at the same time writing a dissertation about the defense and rebounding in a game where we scored 25 points in the last 25 minutes of game time. For the millionth time, Murphy will likely lose his job because of his non-existent offense that allows our worst offensive player to take the most shots.

Your continued, hilarious assault on the zone, and lack of basic understanding of statistics, is truly a spectacle.
I think besides you and Steve, most of the EMU fans on this forum agree with me. Murphy is terrible at coaching offense and defense.

You keep saying things as if they are fact, and it simply isn't the case. Our defense is among the best in the conference, and that is proven by several different statistical factors. Our offense and free throw shooting are, statistically, among the worst in the league and continue to handicap us. Combine that and it leads to mediocrity. Hence, the 5-7 record.

Indeed, as Sam indicates: in sports the best (offense [or defense]) combined with the worst (defense [or offense]) will probably produce a mid-pack result.

Indeed, EMU is TWO points from a 7 - 5 record (the regulation margin in the two BG games). And 5 - 7 is a mid-pack record.

One other thing was on display today: Most teams do not have two bad halves of basketball. What we saw was more typical. Each had one good half and one really bad half.

I agree Murphy's teams do play some very good defense. Like Luckey, however, I am frustrated at the 100% all consuming aspect to it as well as the offensive rebounding it allows. In my opinion our lack of offense is a direct result of the emphasis on the precious "zone" instead of developing any offensive strategy. It also dominates our recruiting efforts as we go after long, lanky, fast guys who can play it well. BG's two 3 point shooters Frye and Fox simply are not EMU material because they are not athletic enough to contribute to our zone defense but they indeed shredded it twice this year with 3 pointers.

Yes Steve we do have a great zone defense but like Castro does with the women's team we need to make an adjustment at times. If a team is killing us with put backs on missed shots or drilling open threes, it's time to come out of the zone for awhile. That's what successful coaches do.

We made BG look pretty silly yesterday in the first half. They came out of the locker room looking for the high post to baseline pass and made a lot of baskets. They also crashed the offensive boards. Murphy, to his credit tightened up the zone but then the threes started raining. That is what coaching is all about and why we consistently lose the second half of our games.

Uh oh Jerry,

You just criticized the zone. Watch out, Steve and Sam are going to attack you LOL :-)
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RE: Game Week: @Kent and @BG
(02-11-2018 08:04 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(02-11-2018 07:10 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 11:51 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 11:45 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 09:42 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I think besides you and Steve, most of the EMU fans on this forum agree with me. Murphy is terrible at coaching offense and defense.

You keep saying things as if they are fact, and it simply isn't the case. Our defense is among the best in the conference, and that is proven by several different statistical factors. Our offense and free throw shooting are, statistically, among the worst in the league and continue to handicap us. Combine that and it leads to mediocrity. Hence, the 5-7 record.

Indeed, as Sam indicates: in sports the best (offense [or defense]) combined with the worst (defense [or offense]) will probably produce a mid-pack result.

Indeed, EMU is TWO points from a 7 - 5 record (the regulation margin in the two BG games). And 5 - 7 is a mid-pack record.

One other thing was on display today: Most teams do not have two bad halves of basketball. What we saw was more typical. Each had one good half and one really bad half.

I agree Murphy's teams do play some very good defense. Like Luckey, however, I am frustrated at the 100% all consuming aspect to it as well as the offensive rebounding it allows. In my opinion our lack of offense is a direct result of the emphasis on the precious "zone" instead of developing any offensive strategy. It also dominates our recruiting efforts as we go after long, lanky, fast guys who can play it well. BG's two 3 point shooters Frye and Fox simply are not EMU material because they are not athletic enough to contribute to our zone defense but they indeed shredded it twice this year with 3 pointers.

Yes Steve we do have a great zone defense but like Castro does with the women's team we need to make an adjustment at times. If a team is killing us with put backs on missed shots or drilling open threes, it's time to come out of the zone for awhile. That's what successful coaches do.

We made BG look pretty silly yesterday in the first half. They came out of the locker room looking for the high post to baseline pass and made a lot of baskets. They also crashed the offensive boards. Murphy, to his credit tightened up the zone but then the threes started raining. That is what coaching is all about and why we consistently lose the second half of our games.

Uh oh Jerry,

You just criticized the zone. Watch out, Steve and Sam are going to attack you LOL :-)

Luckey we play a GREAT zone like Steve and Sam point out. We just don't need to be obsessed with it.
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(02-11-2018 08:19 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
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(02-11-2018 07:10 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 11:51 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(02-10-2018 11:45 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  You keep saying things as if they are fact, and it simply isn't the case. Our defense is among the best in the conference, and that is proven by several different statistical factors. Our offense and free throw shooting are, statistically, among the worst in the league and continue to handicap us. Combine that and it leads to mediocrity. Hence, the 5-7 record.

Indeed, as Sam indicates: in sports the best (offense [or defense]) combined with the worst (defense [or offense]) will probably produce a mid-pack result.

Indeed, EMU is TWO points from a 7 - 5 record (the regulation margin in the two BG games). And 5 - 7 is a mid-pack record.

One other thing was on display today: Most teams do not have two bad halves of basketball. What we saw was more typical. Each had one good half and one really bad half.

I agree Murphy's teams do play some very good defense. Like Luckey, however, I am frustrated at the 100% all consuming aspect to it as well as the offensive rebounding it allows. In my opinion our lack of offense is a direct result of the emphasis on the precious "zone" instead of developing any offensive strategy. It also dominates our recruiting efforts as we go after long, lanky, fast guys who can play it well. BG's two 3 point shooters Frye and Fox simply are not EMU material because they are not athletic enough to contribute to our zone defense but they indeed shredded it twice this year with 3 pointers.

Yes Steve we do have a great zone defense but like Castro does with the women's team we need to make an adjustment at times. If a team is killing us with put backs on missed shots or drilling open threes, it's time to come out of the zone for awhile. That's what successful coaches do.

We made BG look pretty silly yesterday in the first half. They came out of the locker room looking for the high post to baseline pass and made a lot of baskets. They also crashed the offensive boards. Murphy, to his credit tightened up the zone but then the threes started raining. That is what coaching is all about and why we consistently lose the second half of our games.

Uh oh Jerry,

You just criticized the zone. Watch out, Steve and Sam are going to attack you LOL :-)

Luckey we play a GREAT zone like Steve and Sam point out. We just don't need to be obsessed with it.
Agree Jerry 100%
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